"You can't love animal's if you're not a vegetarian"
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Watership Down is about human beings. Using animals instead of humans is a literary device.BNguyen said:
I don't agree with their methods either (certainly not assaulting people), but guilt trips and emotional tactics are actual arguments. They are arguments that appeal to pathos rather than logos. In other words, they pull on your sense of sympathy rather than rely on logic.Starbird said:
Regardless, I'm just pointing out that maintaining the status quo for no other reason other than because it is the status quo is asinine. No, animal rights is not the same as woman's rights... because they are different. Just like civil rights and women's rights are different. Just like child abuse and animal abuse are different. That's how an analogy works. You compare two unlike things and they inform each other.
If you focus on they ways the animal rights/welfare issue is unlike the women's rights or women's suffrage, you are missing the point. Before it became common knowledge that smoking cigarettes was incredibly unhealthy, many more people smoked than do today. How many people do you think made efforts to quit once they became informed about their behavior? I'm certain some disregarded the data at first, but we as a society have changed in response to the emergence of new information in the last forty years.
The point is, continuing to eat animals just because one has always eaten animals is no better a reason to do it than continuing to behave in any way merely because one has always behaved that way.
Hey, that's your viewpoint and opinion. I can't really change that, can I?Xan Krieger said:
Can't say I support you, but hey, if that's what you believe.
Well, I eat meat but I while I like animals, I don't love all animals. Let me explain, I love cats, best animal ever, and I wouldn't eat a cat or an animal closely related to cats, but a cow? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate cows nor do I want them to suffer, but I have no problems eating meat from a cow.
Also, what about humans? I don't like humans, I like certain individuals, sure, but as a whole? Nah, still don't eat people, well I would rather eat a human than a cat, I can tell you that right here and now.... But there are three reasons I don't eat humans: 1. It's very illegal and would get me in trouble, 2. You're not able to buy human meat, meaning I'd have to kill and prepare the meat myself, and I couldn't do that with any of the other animals I eat so humans are no different, 3. Humans simply don't look tasty, at least IMO.
Also, what about humans? I don't like humans, I like certain individuals, sure, but as a whole? Nah, still don't eat people, well I would rather eat a human than a cat, I can tell you that right here and now.... But there are three reasons I don't eat humans: 1. It's very illegal and would get me in trouble, 2. You're not able to buy human meat, meaning I'd have to kill and prepare the meat myself, and I couldn't do that with any of the other animals I eat so humans are no different, 3. Humans simply don't look tasty, at least IMO.
I don't hate the animals I consume. If anything, I respect them and thank their existence for being food on my plate and sustaining my life. In fact, I think it's a crime that some farms treat animals like factories treat cheap products - throwing them uncaring in tiny cages for their lives, similar to how puppy mills work. And damn those puppy mills.
Also, just because I eat one animal doesn't mean I eat them all. Putting 'animal' into a full category and judging someone from eating one creature as if they're intending to fully consume them all is rather ignorant in my opinion. Just because I dine on cattle does not mean I intend to eat sea cows. And I like both.
Also, just because I eat one animal doesn't mean I eat them all. Putting 'animal' into a full category and judging someone from eating one creature as if they're intending to fully consume them all is rather ignorant in my opinion. Just because I dine on cattle does not mean I intend to eat sea cows. And I like both.
That is definitely one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of them.
You can not love animals if you are not a vegetarian. <-------------- this is an absolute statement, which is bad. Why? Because, only a Sith deals in absolutes. All people that believe this statement are Sith and therefore a danger to the balance of the Force and will lead to the enslavement of all sentient life forms and eventually to destruction of the universe.
Radical Vegetarianism will be the death of us all. You have been warned.
Radical Vegetarianism will be the death of us all. You have been warned.
I think that there are certain animals that have the capacity to create emotional bonds and I feel if an animal can create that kind of bond that you shouldn't kill or eat it (like dogs and cats). However, animals like cows who can NOT create an emotional bond are animals that I feel no guilt in eating.
I would say that although I eat meat I would never be the one to kill the animal however I don't think the person who does it is a monster its just not in my own personal tastes to want to know how my meat goes from animal to food.NinjaDeathSlap said:
On topic though I completely agree that you can love animals and still eat meat.
If you are a vegetarian, you can't like carnivores and omnivores. I bet that's what they meant.
Wow, this is still ongoing. Seriously. There is nothing wrong with eating meat, we are omnivores. If someone chooses not to, that's fine, but to claim any kind of moral highground/halo for that food choice is extremely childish. Grow up outspoken vegetarians, your having been born floating in a pool of privilege is showing.
