That's right, brother! Enjoy that delicious delicious cheese!Vegosiux said:
I'd congratulate you on your grasp of the obvious, save for the "everyone" part.Dansen said:
You people are ridiculous
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This implies that if multiple teams finish their work early, they should all work on individual, smaller pieces of DLC rather than together on something larger. It would be rare for just one team to be finished its work, especially as you near release date. As teams finish their work, they can begin working on making something like this together, rather than individual, smaller, sets of DLC.Mr Companion said:
I have now almost finished ME3 and I can confirm that the DLC character is in no way pivotal to the story. It will give you a small extra war asset, its recruitment mission, and some funny lines of Dialogue, but that's it. It is in no way required to finish the game, and I have played the majority of the game ignoring it and its flowed quite smoothly still. It is in no way pivotal to the story, angry Internet users just want to believe that it is as it gives them something to complain about. Is it cool, interesting and something quite unexpected to the story? Yeah. Pivotal? In no way.
Actually, it is like a regular game. This DLC is no more important than Zaeed was for ME2. An extra squadmate is all that he is, nothing important to the story at all.
Yeah, classic paranoia on the Internet. OH NO! SOMETHING I HAVE TO PAY FOR! WHY ARE YOU SO GREEDY [Insert Company Here]. There are a lot of reasonable people too, and a lot of people who misunderstand things and make assumptions based off what everyone else is saying without looking up the facts themselves, but there are also those who will complain about anything they have to pay for because they trust their paranoia more than anything else. Somewhat sad, but I get it to an extent.
As I've already said, its not essential to the story. More accurate than you Snape analogy would be 'Pay extra to have Harry gain the Ghost of Gryphindor as a companion! Comes complete with comedy lines, cool spells, and an interesting scene where he finds her. Buy now!'.
Would having the Ghost of whoever that Gryphindor founder was be awesome, cool and interesting? Yeah. Would it be essential to the plot? No, as you can see the plot flowed quite nicely without her.
That implies that making the DLC is free. You pay the designers, artists, coders, ect. their pay to make the DLC when you buy the DLC, and then you can talk. Problem is, that would be more than unreasonable for most people. So instead, they cut that cost down and sell the DLC for less than its production cost to a lot of people, making up the production cost through the number of small purchases adding money to repay that. Its like a tollway. It cost the government a lot of money to make, but rather than charging the first driver to use it the full cost to make it, they charge everyone who uses it a significantly lesser amount to slowly regain the money through large amounts of small 'purchases'. Though yes, the McD analogy was somewhat flawed too.Mr Goostoff said:
blah blah blah. You're all entitled twats, the mud on Bioware's boots taste awesome, blah blah blah...Phlakes said:
Dear god, is this how I sound when I'm trying to defend COD?
Day 1 DLC is more like last week McDonald's only sold cheeseburgers for $2 and now they're selling "hamburgers" for $2 for "adding" cheese for $1 more. See the difference?
What's wrong with people telling McDonald's 'Cheeseburgers aren't worth $3 to me so I'll keep my money and arteries unclogged. If you decide to go back down to $2 we'll talk.'
Sure, Bioware/EA have to right to charge whatever dollar amount they want for any amount of content they want. That's capitalism. People are simply stating that they don't like Mass Effect enough to throw down $70 for the launch day package when it was $60 before. They SHOULD be entitled to tell the developer/publisher how much they're willing to pay for a product and let the free market decide where to go. That's capitalism too.
*spoiler*
(and no I did not buy the game yet. Until the total amount goes down to $60 I'm just going plug my ears and pretend that my Shepard died at the end of ME2 and consider ME3 to be non-canon)
*end spoiler*
I've written quite a few posts on this subject tonight, so I'm afraid I'm going to serve you and your awesome avatar a bit of reheated copypasta. This is specifically referring to on-disc DLC:Phlakes said:
And in regards to day-one DLC:
And later I talked about how all companies do little unnecessary things to compensate their customers when they are feeling screwed, even when it is not the company's fault and it's unfair to blame them. Whether or not they actually are, the fact of the matter is customers feel screwed by day-one and on-disc DLC. And if these producers want to keep calm and carry on, then they have the right to do that. But the customer is always right, even when they are wrong. So any if there are negative repercussions that come from their failure to make amends for this difference in opinion, the way I see it, they've got nobody to blame but themselves.
Unfortunately, they have new and better ways to tell whether you've been eating cheese these days, and can factor in "samples" much more readily years ago. This will tell them how much interest there is, and the rest will be blamed on piracy. Possibly large rats.Vegosiux said:
I was reading in one thread the prothean shows up regardless of weither or not you buy the DLC and in another claiming he didn't show up at all in the game unless you bought the DLC. I'm not sure which is which but..I'm not cool with the character if he only shows up in the story if you bought the DLC. (cuz you know protheans are a fucking huge deal considering they went extinct 50,000 years ago!)
Evidence? Any at all? You're just not providing any. If it were the case that something were being removed from the main game and sold separately while the main game were being sold at full price, yeah, that would be dumb. Can you give any evidence to support this? According to the developers it was developed separately from the main game and detracted nothing from it. While their word is obviously biased, I have seen absolutely nothing at all that suggests otherwise.way2sl0w said:
If this keeps up, will developers will have to impose limits on themselves just to keep people from going insane? Hey devs, want to develop extra content after the game is done to sell for extra profit? Want to put really awesome stuff (i.e. a freaking Prothean) in the DLC so that lots of people will buy it for their first playthrough? You can't, because everything associated with the game made before the game's release has to be included with the game for free, and if it's too awesome then obviously it was ripped straight out of the main game because DLC can only be a little bit awesome. People on gaming forums said so.
That's what I say to myself everytime I go into one... on my weekly Sunday night Maccy D's run!Phlakes said:
I like the analogy! Couldn't think of any way of explaining it better! People seem to seriously forget how much time, effort and resources go into making a game, just because the code created is soft copy, and can be mass produced, it doesn't mean that it should be so cheap or even free... especially as you most brilliantly point out... IT'S EXTRA!
Mass Effect: ~50 hours.Phlakes said:
Mass Effect 2: ~40 hours.
Mass Effect 3 (With From Ashes): ~30 hours.
We have, less game, less content, less control, less freedom, consistently from start to finish.
Yet we pay more each time.
I obviously cant speak for anyone else, but I personally consider it a farce that its now accepted to be paying full price for half a game, adding in *cough* "bonus content" (that, for many games these days, is magically offered as a pre-order bonus no less) for a little extra on the top, well, icing on the cake.
Anyone old enough will remember that once upon a time, consumers had rights. Problem being that the indifference and complacence of younger generations has allowed those to be eroded, and now we find ourselves taken for a ride at every turn, and expected to be grateful for it no less.
That for me is the biggest issue, and my biggest complaint. Wont apply to everyone, just as your own acceptance of it wont either.
No. Their potential customers said so.Zayle79 said:
It's part of the game that was developed before launch day. It's ON THE DISC! What more evidence do you need? T-shirts, Action figures, Art books, Special USB sticks count as extras because they're not part of the game. Any content that is remotely part of a GAME on launch day should be included in the $60 sticker price. Despite their whining, developers/publishers DO get rewarded for extra content: MORE COPIES OF THE GAME ARE SOLD!
Oh those consumer rights are still there, after all consumers will always have all the power in a non essential industry. We just have to inform people that they have that. Whenever I hear someone say something along the lines of "This is highway robbery, unfair, exploitation" etc. I always make sure to tell them it's impossible to exploit the consumer. Maybe their loyalty or lack of willpower but the buyer can always go "Nope, you're selling on our terms. We aren't buying on yours."mirage202 said:
The content was completed before the game went gold, but the people who develop content are not the same people who work on testing. They decide to make a little something extra while the QA guys are fixing up the main game and sell it separately. Is there anything wrong with that? Think of it as two separate products, one of which requires the other but the other stands on its own.way2sl0w said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, since I haven't yet played the game, but it's not like there's some invisible barrier you can get to that says "Buy From Ashes from the XBL Marketplace to unlock this area!" is it? It wasn't advertised as part of the game, was it? If you can play the game without it and never know that it's there, and you haven't been misled into thinking you get it with the game for free, then what makes it part of the game? Its presence on the disc?
The problem with your analogy is that the Mass Effect 3 DLC was already on the disc at the time of launch. A more correct analogy would be that you ordered the hamburger and then McDonalds told you that you couldn't eat the hamburger buns without giving them another dollar. True, the buns aren't generally to be considered "Part" of the main meal, but what restaurant in the world doesn't consider buns for hamburgers to be standard?
Well, that "It's optional anyway" argument is kind of...let's just say not well thought out. Because I don't want everything that's not directly a part of the main quest to end up as DLC in the future.Zayle79 said:
On a related note, I might have considered buying it if I could get a copy without the multiplayer component at a reduced price of course - or in other words, if the multiplayer was DLC content (redundant wording of redundancy and all) too and the "core game" was 10 bucks cheaper. Yeah, a dream I know.
Though the entire concept of DLC (as in, all DLC, not just the Day1 packs) carries a more subtle problem which I may try to start a discussion about sometime.
