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We can all agree that it varies from kid to kid. I'll just say again that most kids I know could handle M-rated games and R-rated movies at 12, usually even younger.BolognaBaloney said:
That is why most good clans have an age limit. If you are mature, a 18+ clan will usually let you in, but that age limit is there to filter out the majority of morons. Most people in general on the internet are shit, but the ratio is higher for kids.darkfire613 said:
Umm... no, I never said that it's just he keeps his guns and bullets in two seperate EXPENSIVE safes and I think he'd rather not buy a third safe for movies.Manhattan2112 said:
Edit: He used to just hide the movies in the house but the kids would find them so he put them in his bullet safe.
It depends on how it's removed. If they learn about death and murder by their parents getting shot in front of them them, that could (and probably would) screw them up. If they are told (or maybe there's a better way of explaining I don't know about), then they'll be able to deal with it.Obtusifolius said:
And yes, it's better that children have their childhood innocence lost in a non-traumatic way than continue to be ignorant. That's what growing up is, after all.
Uh oh. Time to toot the hypocrite horn. Some of you are saying that you yourself weren't affected by the violent games of your youth, but emotionally weak kids should be kept from them. Toot toot.
I played a few violent games as a wee lad, and even though I'm not entirely sure, I think it's possible that I might have been desensitized a bit, and possibly become more aggressive in general. Not to flame you guys or anything, but very few people believe that they have easily moldable minds, and yet, minds are constantly being molded.
The affects of video games on children are also not necessarily a bad thing. As a naturally sensitive person, I feel that a little less pain around death and destruction makes the world more bearable, as long as I'm not so numb that I contribute to said death and destruction.
Another thing. Some of you are agreeing that M-rated games should be kept from emotionally weak kids by the parents, not the creators of the game or the government. First off, again, kids are almost by definition emotionally undeveloped. But I do think that it's good for kids to experience fake violence provided they can understand that it's not always a good thing in real life. Secondly, while it would be awesome if parents were capable of limiting their offspring's video games, they aren't omnipotent. I know for myself that the first M game I played was Metal Gear Solid (forget which one). I got it through my older brother, and my parents hadn't a clue. This issue isn't helped by the fact that a lot of parents would rather have nothing to do with games, and may very well give Lil' Tommy permission to play a few games just to make him shush. Kudos to the father who
One final point to introduce to this discussion: gender relations. I have to go soon so I might elaborate on this further, but video games are a new thing. Sex isn't. From an evolutionary standpoint, sex is and always has been top priority. But now, video games are rewriting our coding. More and more people, both teens and adults, are saying they would rather play video games than have sex. Cough. World of Warcraft. Cough.
If you want more in depth information about this phenomenon, the book is called "Boys Adrift", by Leonard Sax, M.D., Ph.D.
I played a few violent games as a wee lad, and even though I'm not entirely sure, I think it's possible that I might have been desensitized a bit, and possibly become more aggressive in general. Not to flame you guys or anything, but very few people believe that they have easily moldable minds, and yet, minds are constantly being molded.
The affects of video games on children are also not necessarily a bad thing. As a naturally sensitive person, I feel that a little less pain around death and destruction makes the world more bearable, as long as I'm not so numb that I contribute to said death and destruction.
Another thing. Some of you are agreeing that M-rated games should be kept from emotionally weak kids by the parents, not the creators of the game or the government. First off, again, kids are almost by definition emotionally undeveloped. But I do think that it's good for kids to experience fake violence provided they can understand that it's not always a good thing in real life. Secondly, while it would be awesome if parents were capable of limiting their offspring's video games, they aren't omnipotent. I know for myself that the first M game I played was Metal Gear Solid (forget which one). I got it through my older brother, and my parents hadn't a clue. This issue isn't helped by the fact that a lot of parents would rather have nothing to do with games, and may very well give Lil' Tommy permission to play a few games just to make him shush. Kudos to the father who
(He's talking about the M games, not the children).ace_of_something said:
One final point to introduce to this discussion: gender relations. I have to go soon so I might elaborate on this further, but video games are a new thing. Sex isn't. From an evolutionary standpoint, sex is and always has been top priority. But now, video games are rewriting our coding. More and more people, both teens and adults, are saying they would rather play video games than have sex. Cough. World of Warcraft. Cough.
If you want more in depth information about this phenomenon, the book is called "Boys Adrift", by Leonard Sax, M.D., Ph.D.
ace_of_something said:
That is perfectly reasonable. More parents should actually think before letting their kids act out.
I mostly agree with you some, but I'll just say that growing up isn't simply getting older; it's learning and experience. And while yes, kids shouldn't be forced to grow up too fast, they shouldn't be held back from growing up either. That last sentence wasn't aimed at you, by the way, it's aimed at the moral guardians/parent groups who want to censor things (or in many cases make stupid restrictions) for the sake of preserving their kids' innocence (read: ignorance).Obtusifolius said:
Well I'm 14 and the only M rated game I'm allowed to own is Halo. I've played other games over friends' houses, but I can't own them. Ironically, I'm a lot better than the other kids my age.
Not to seem victimized here, but being a young gamer (13 years old), I think I can answer a few of these questions here.
For the first, I find that limiting content based on age is a sheltering process. If children don't see the mature concepts of these at some point during their early age, they will take certain concepts as a shock when they face reality in their later years. While many people blame video games for the violence in our youth, they shy off on the concepts of multiple reasons why youth can be violent; Vulgar Music, Terrible Education, Graphic Movies, Emotional Neglect for Parents, and Peer Pressure all contribute to the violent ideals of today's youth.
The reasons why children are disliked on most online services is due to their inexperience and impoliteness in a public based situation, and because identities are in the basis anonymous, they feel their actions don't carry and consequences or ramifications. Their inexperiece come from manners; most of our youth nowadays aren't taught certain concepts from their parents to deal with public occupations due to their parents sheltering them from reality. certain concepts not taught are: being quiet in public, being polite in public, and learning how to deal with other people's opinions in public. Frankly, the mic isn't a freakin' slot box for god sake.
While hours of gaming can be harmful at a young age, taking time away from gameplay sessions can help the young user physically and socially. For example, my gaming sessions are 1 to 3 hours depending on the time I have on my hands. Outside of that, I hang out with most of my friends and usually head to the mall to pick up some chipotle or chick fil a with them. Physically, I have always been a rather small person, but as i grow through puberty, I have learned to exercise daily in 1 to 2 hour periods. Also, despite my gaming tendencies, I am able to complete school assignments with ease and can work in a timewise manner. Even out of my gaming hobby, I have interests in music, improvisation, and graphic novels. While younger kids may be affected at their age, as they go through puberty, they will probably begin to understand the benefits of supporting social and physical health, doing well in academics (that is, if their parents support them), and learning to offset time for other interests.
While I might be getting a bit preachy about this, I hope my opinions are set.
For the first, I find that limiting content based on age is a sheltering process. If children don't see the mature concepts of these at some point during their early age, they will take certain concepts as a shock when they face reality in their later years. While many people blame video games for the violence in our youth, they shy off on the concepts of multiple reasons why youth can be violent; Vulgar Music, Terrible Education, Graphic Movies, Emotional Neglect for Parents, and Peer Pressure all contribute to the violent ideals of today's youth.
The reasons why children are disliked on most online services is due to their inexperience and impoliteness in a public based situation, and because identities are in the basis anonymous, they feel their actions don't carry and consequences or ramifications. Their inexperiece come from manners; most of our youth nowadays aren't taught certain concepts from their parents to deal with public occupations due to their parents sheltering them from reality. certain concepts not taught are: being quiet in public, being polite in public, and learning how to deal with other people's opinions in public. Frankly, the mic isn't a freakin' slot box for god sake.
While hours of gaming can be harmful at a young age, taking time away from gameplay sessions can help the young user physically and socially. For example, my gaming sessions are 1 to 3 hours depending on the time I have on my hands. Outside of that, I hang out with most of my friends and usually head to the mall to pick up some chipotle or chick fil a with them. Physically, I have always been a rather small person, but as i grow through puberty, I have learned to exercise daily in 1 to 2 hour periods. Also, despite my gaming tendencies, I am able to complete school assignments with ease and can work in a timewise manner. Even out of my gaming hobby, I have interests in music, improvisation, and graphic novels. While younger kids may be affected at their age, as they go through puberty, they will probably begin to understand the benefits of supporting social and physical health, doing well in academics (that is, if their parents support them), and learning to offset time for other interests.
While I might be getting a bit preachy about this, I hope my opinions are set.
I don't think it should matter. My first M rated game was Resident Evil 4 and that was when I was around 12. I really don't care, as long as they stay offline. You either need to at least act mature or stay offline.
Yes M-rated games should be kept from kids who aren't mature enough for it.
They are disliked in all forms of internet because usually they are very immature and shout out stuff like noob and what not also they wine when they loss.
I should know I was one(13ish when I started internet games) and I am guity of the noob thing but I choose to believe I reserved it for spawn campers and sprayers in CoD2.
Oh and touchers in Guild Wars.
No it is not a major problem playing hours of video games as long as do something like a sport or music.
Personally I do thing internet gaming should have a maturity limit or something or let the kids play with the kids on these games(+people who act like kids) so that this problem will never arise for the mature people who play the game.
They are disliked in all forms of internet because usually they are very immature and shout out stuff like noob and what not also they wine when they loss.
I should know I was one(13ish when I started internet games) and I am guity of the noob thing but I choose to believe I reserved it for spawn campers and sprayers in CoD2.
Oh and touchers in Guild Wars.
No it is not a major problem playing hours of video games as long as do something like a sport or music.
Personally I do thing internet gaming should have a maturity limit or something or let the kids play with the kids on these games(+people who act like kids) so that this problem will never arise for the mature people who play the game.
Q: Should M-rated games be better kept from children (meaning 12 down or so)?
Fly: As many have probably said before me, it depends on the maturity of the child. If little Timmy can watch something crazy happen and not try to do it even with pressure, then yeah. I'd do a flipside of this, but I'm rather sure you know where that'd go.
Q: Why are children so widely disliked on Xbox Live, especially voice chat? Admittedly, I'm also annoyed by whining 12 year olds, but I actually can't really justify my dislike.
Fly: Annoying noises are disliked on voice chat, regardless of age. So, unless the kid sounds like a girl, he/she is out of luck. Prejudice? Perhaps, but it keeps the voice chat open to sophisticated chat, like the calling of hax and fart jokes.
Q: Do you think it's a major physical problem for kids playing hours and hours of videogames? (studies have shown that hand deformations are actually quite possible from too many games).
Fly: Physical? Yeah... no. If the kid doesn't do anything but play videogames, then yes, but the likelihood of that happen is slim to parents-don't-give-a-crud. And considering the number and subjects of studies floating around now, I really couldn't care less about those parentheses.
Fly: As many have probably said before me, it depends on the maturity of the child. If little Timmy can watch something crazy happen and not try to do it even with pressure, then yeah. I'd do a flipside of this, but I'm rather sure you know where that'd go.
Q: Why are children so widely disliked on Xbox Live, especially voice chat? Admittedly, I'm also annoyed by whining 12 year olds, but I actually can't really justify my dislike.
Fly: Annoying noises are disliked on voice chat, regardless of age. So, unless the kid sounds like a girl, he/she is out of luck. Prejudice? Perhaps, but it keeps the voice chat open to sophisticated chat, like the calling of hax and fart jokes.
Q: Do you think it's a major physical problem for kids playing hours and hours of videogames? (studies have shown that hand deformations are actually quite possible from too many games).
Fly: Physical? Yeah... no. If the kid doesn't do anything but play videogames, then yes, but the likelihood of that happen is slim to parents-don't-give-a-crud. And considering the number and subjects of studies floating around now, I really couldn't care less about those parentheses.
as far as M-rated games. I think those games should be raised to 18+ for the simple reason if a 18 year old fucks up. they are responsible for their actions
I don't play on XBL much. i like playing on PSN mainly because there are less children and less voice chatting. even then, when i was playing on XBL. the 12 year olds were annoying. so were the teenagers. if you don't have anything helpful to say just shut your damn mouth. it's that easy
Kids shouldn't be playing games for hours and hours. I'm not saying it's the reason. but we don't need anymore fatties running around doing nothing. because the minute they hit high school and someone makes fun of their weight. they'll cry like little bitches. say the kids at school are mean. eat more, sit and play more games and not get off their ass and go for a run or something
I don't play on XBL much. i like playing on PSN mainly because there are less children and less voice chatting. even then, when i was playing on XBL. the 12 year olds were annoying. so were the teenagers. if you don't have anything helpful to say just shut your damn mouth. it's that easy
Kids shouldn't be playing games for hours and hours. I'm not saying it's the reason. but we don't need anymore fatties running around doing nothing. because the minute they hit high school and someone makes fun of their weight. they'll cry like little bitches. say the kids at school are mean. eat more, sit and play more games and not get off their ass and go for a run or something
Children are our future. The future scares me. We should prevent it.
Ratings on games are always going to get it wrong simply. A valid judgment cannot be made regarding an individuals maturity and ability to deal with graphic imagery. A child who is neglected or abused and grows to be psychologically deranged, either with ASPD or some other psychosis, or is bullied at school and alienated, causing depression and superiority complexes, is going to do what they're going to do regardless of if they play GTA or not. Healthy people don't run over people because they did it in a game and it looked kinda fun. Empathy for a human and empathy for a avatar is very different, and regardless of what these fanatics say the human psyche can distinguish the differance.
While I have no doubt playing excessively violent games at a very young age may besmirch the innocence of childhood somewhat, it's only going to make them more accepting of the world and it's failures, in both society and the human race.
However they should never be given headset. If you can't be shot and stfu, then don't get shot by not playing. Long term solution is mass sterilization. The human race dies out but online is forever free of whiny 12 year olds. I feel the sacrifice is one we should be willing to make.
Ratings on games are always going to get it wrong simply. A valid judgment cannot be made regarding an individuals maturity and ability to deal with graphic imagery. A child who is neglected or abused and grows to be psychologically deranged, either with ASPD or some other psychosis, or is bullied at school and alienated, causing depression and superiority complexes, is going to do what they're going to do regardless of if they play GTA or not. Healthy people don't run over people because they did it in a game and it looked kinda fun. Empathy for a human and empathy for a avatar is very different, and regardless of what these fanatics say the human psyche can distinguish the differance.
While I have no doubt playing excessively violent games at a very young age may besmirch the innocence of childhood somewhat, it's only going to make them more accepting of the world and it's failures, in both society and the human race.
However they should never be given headset. If you can't be shot and stfu, then don't get shot by not playing. Long term solution is mass sterilization. The human race dies out but online is forever free of whiny 12 year olds. I feel the sacrifice is one we should be willing to make.