Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core. You can have a fight with a boss for an half an hour and be killed instantly for mistiming one dodge.
Oh man I so want to play GPL, I've tried it on the last 4 computers I've had and it doesn't work on any of them. The difficulty is legendary, I want to see if it really is harder than Spirit Of Speed 1937.RAKtheUndead said:Depends on what you call "ultra hardcore". I tend to think that simulator games deserve a place, and therefore, I'd be inclined to say ARMA 2 on the FPS simulator front, and Grand Prix Legends on the racing simulator front.
My vote also goes to Quake 2, but I'll also settle for Quake Live. I feel it's more accessible (making it less hardcore per your definition) but not in the very least any less fun. And my second vote goes to Planescape: Torment as the hardcare RPG.fix-the-spade said:Wipeout/2097/Wip3out
or Quake/2/Arena
Back in the days before pussy health, checkpoints and rubber band AI. I love those games.
I was going to say the original Baldur's Gate, but then I remembered PS:T.woem said:My vote also goes to Quake 2, but I'll also settle for Quake Live. I feel it's more accessible (making it less hardcore per your definition) but not in the very least any less fun. And my second vote goes to Planescape: Torment as the hardcare RPG.fix-the-spade said:Wipeout/2097/Wip3out
or Quake/2/Arena
Back in the days before pussy health, checkpoints and rubber band AI. I love those games.
WIN.shadowgaunt said:Maplestory!
Hell yes.WrongSprite said:Dwarf fortress. Everyone else is now wrong. Seriously, it's insane.
I loldGaderael said:Unreal Tournament. I don't know what else.
How about Google Image Seppuku? It's where you put a single Japanese character into search and click through each result page until you see an image that scars your eyes, rapes your brain, and makes you want to kill yourself.
I believe what Max is saying is that an easier mode should be included, along with a hardcore mode which provides an insurmountable obstacle of a difficulty curve, this way everyone receives said cake and some believing they are more deserving of said cake.Evil Tim said:It's the logical conclusion of what you said. In essence, if I [meaning, presumably, you or anyone else] can't complete a game and find myself frustrated, then that game should not exist. Of course this discounts that anyone would not find said game frustrating and might even find it rewarding to face a seemingly insurmountable obstacle. Nope, every game needs to be set up so the easiest difficulty setting can be beaten by a drooling infant, otherwise it's bullshit. This ignores the counterpoint, that any game which does not offer opposition on even the lowest difficulty level is bullshit [you know, because low difficulty doesn't imply the total absense of difficulty] but hey.MaxTheReaper said:Yes. That's exactly what I said.
Except it's not.
Of course, this line of thinking can be extended into any other concept which does not appeal to everyone on an equal basis. Why should there be complex flight sims? Plenty of people don't like those, so complex flight sims must be bullshit. Shouldn't exist. Extend. JRPGs? Hah, too complicated. Impenetrable. Don't need any more of those, they're bullshit. Racing games? Who wants to drive in a circle all day? Bullshit too.
And thus your egocentric argument ['anything that does not appeal to me should be modified to meet my approval'] if extended in the proper fashion, is a black hole that draws everything to a median where not one person has what they want and everyone is equally unhappy. The result is that every game in existence is now a mediocre FPS. Thanks.
Qualify what the worth of a cake nobody has to earn is, and why everyone deserves a slice in the first place.Music Mole said:I believe what Max is saying is that an easier mode should be included, along with a hardcore mode which provides an insurmountable obstacle of a difficulty curve, this way everyone receives said cake and some believing they are more deserving of said cake.
I Wanna Be The Guy isn't hard, it's just unfair. It's just a series of fuck-you traps you can't possibly anticipate or react to, many of which are specifically designed to function in an arbitrary or misleading fashion. Basically, a modernised Rick Dangerous.Skarvig said:Seriously it is so damn hard that it's not fun anymore.
No, the traps just need "skill" to be beaten, that's all. If you can't do it, then you don't deserve cake.Evil Tim said:I Wanna Be The Guy isn't hard, it's just unfair. It's just a series of fuck-you traps you can't possibly anticipate or react to, many of which are specifically designed to function in an arbitrary or misleading fashion. Basically, a modernised Rick Dangerous.