Your Ideal Society

[Johanthemonster666]

If you could found your own nation, what sort of society would it be?

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?

2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?

3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)

4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power ect.?

5).Would more resources be put into education,infastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?

 

[Mr. Gency]

I guess the society except with an improved economy and stupid, ignorant, and evil people (and any combination of the three) aren't allowed on TV.

It's just the first thing to come to mind.

 

[oxiclean]

it would be a constitutional republic with a system of laissez-faire capitalism

it would be liberal in the classical sense, not the current perversion of the word.

it would be stricter on immigration, giving skilled individuals priority over those who will just be a burden.

it would be a nuclear country, with a modernized state military and the use of PMC's. there would be no conscription.


resources would be put into managing government and building non-toll roads. the free market will provide the rest. if it is needed, it will be created. there will be STANDARDS for education put in place, but entrepreneurs and philanthropic individuals will handle the creation of these institutions. infrastructure, other than what was previously mentioned, will be handled by the market. tourism will be handled by the market. the people will choose how the country expands and grows. the tax system will be the fairtax.

"A government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims."
- Ayn Rand

I am favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it's possible.
Milton Friedman

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.
Milton Friedman

Inflation is the one form of taxation that can be imposed without legislation.
Milton Friedman

Most economic fallacies derive from the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one party can gain only at the expense of another.
Milton Friedman

Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government.
Milton Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
Milton Friedman

Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.
Milton Friedman

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
- excerpt from atlas shrugged

 

[geldonyetich]

"Listen, just sit down, shut up, and listen to me." See, now that's probably most people's ideal society, deep down

Personally, I would emphasize justice, so outside of the obvious nitpicks one can do at looking at each point individually I would do something like this:

1) Political system is an educated democracy where the voters need to demonstrate competency in any issue they vote on. Heavily socialistic in nature; irrevocable checks and balances prevent a class difference, an individual is incentivized wholly on a scientific measure of their present-day contribution to the current needs of society at large. This measure makes it so one need not worry about taxes: individual wealth does not exist, what sundries you have are based solely on your ability to contribute to society, with a reasonable minimum for survival being allotted to individuals who are currently unable to contribute for whatever reason.

2) Highly liberal progressive. In fact, actions that hinder progress, defined specifically under guidelines that bring about betterment for all of mankind, is the basis of the criminal justice system.

3) While individual racial/cultural differences are tolerated, all individuals have the same rights and responsibilities regardless of racial/cultural reasons, and so there is a firm line on just how far this gets you. No one is discriminated against, but each individual must be willing to survive on the basis of their own merits.

4) Military is like it is in some countries where every citizen is required to serve some time in the military, which is very strong, but outside of military and police agencies there are no weapons. Military/police are actually somewhat unified, so any organized crime syndicates basically have to be able to stand against full-fledged war forces. Which they'll be able to do with maximum firepower and the least collateral damage because Big Brother is fully enabled; privacy concerns are considered trite on the grounds you should have nothing to hide from society. Power is all green; no coal or nuclear, more like geothermal, solar, and hydro sources, all cars are electric.

5) The educational system is much more comprehensive. unified somewhat with economic forces to assure practically on-the-job training while students are going through school. Job placement is practically insured, with each individual able to choose their own vocation (outside of the time they need to spend in the military). Academia is strictly regulated to provide education in such a way as to assure a fair vote during democratic elections (since qualifications are required to vote). Basically, people are getting free schooling their entire lives based off of their current goals and minimal societal knowledge obligations at their age.

No, I don't give a damn if any of you can nit pick anything wrong with any of this. Imagine that, whatever problems there are, they would be fixed through something you didn't think of. Also, any previous historical examples do not apply to my wonderful utopia of the future, where the streets are paved with gold and people's farts smell like fresh baked muffins.

 

[Kollega]

Have you ever played Mass Effect? Turian Hierarchy is what i consider close to ideal - but it works because turians are somewhat more responsible than your average human.

Anyway, if we're talking about the utopia here, i can guess it'd be something along the lines of democratic socialism in politics, and quite progressive (on the level of western countries - USA, or even European ones). I think of it as a discrimination-free state, where one can reach his or her (or it's, if you must) goals in life regardless of gender, race, religion, or any other differences from whoever else. And the most important thing - very heavy emphasis on science, art, and education. Military would be specialy tailored to be perfect defenders (instead of a universal force that could also invade). And a resounding "yes" for nuclear power - not like we have any alternative.

Wait, actually the most important thing would be common sense. That's what all utopias hinge on.

Call me an idealist (because duh, that's who i am).

 

[quiet_samurai]

Where everyone does what I say.....ville.

 

[s0denone]

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?
Socialism. A universal welfare-model(like we currently have in Denmark) and an intrusive state meddling in the businesses.

2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?
More liberal progressive.

3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)
Pluralistic society.

4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power ect.?
Demilitarized.

5).Would more resources be put into education,infastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?
Most likely distributed quite evenly into each program.

If anyone wants an elaboration on something, I will happily provide

 

[CK76]

Denmark, or pretty close, bigger though, at least three times as big.

 

[Johanthemonster666]

it would be a constitutional republic with a system of laissez-faire capitalism

it would be liberal in the classical sense, not the current perversion of the word.

it would be stricter on immigration, giving skilled individuals priority over those who will just be a burden.

it would be a nuclear country, with a modernized state military and the use of PMC's. there would be no conscription.


resources would be put into managing government and building non-toll roads. the free market will provide the rest. if it is needed, it will be created. there will be STANDARDS for education put in place, but entrepreneurs and philanthropic individuals will handle the creation of these institutions. infrastructure, other than what was previously mentioned, will be handled by the market. tourism will be handled by the market. the people will choose how the country expands and grows. the tax system will be the fairtax.

"A government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims."
- Ayn Rand

I am favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it's possible.
Milton Friedman

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.
Milton Friedman

Inflation is the one form of taxation that can be imposed without legislation.
Milton Friedman

Most economic fallacies derive from the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one party can gain only at the expense of another.
Milton Friedman

Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government.
Milton Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
Milton Friedman

Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.
Milton Friedman

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
- excerpt from atlas shrugged

Very thorough and I also enjoy the fact that you're well versed in Randian Egoism and Libertarian political philosophy.

One last question- By classical liberalism, what would that include in refernce to modern issues? (Social freedoms, government powers and so on).

 

[Johnnyallstar]

*snippet

I'm in full agreement with one addendum. The people must be allowed to own their own personal weaponry for private protection, and also to ensure that the government never becomes too bloated or excessive.

You be the figurehead, I'll be behind the scenes. Lets make it happen.

 

[s0denone]

Denmark, or pretty close, bigger though, at least three times as big.

That's very nice of you.

I'm very curious on your view of Denmark then. First off, though: Do you live here? Here being Denmark.

Secondly: Seriously, tell me what you think Denmark is, in relation to the topic of discussion in this thread! This is very interesting!

 

[cornmancer]

If you could found your own nation, what sort of society would it be?

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?

2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?

3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)

4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power ect.?

5).Would more resources be put into education,infastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?

It would be a socialist democracy. I don't claim to know a lot about socialism, but capitalism is the economy of the evil, and communism is the economy of those who try to beat out all traces out of people, so we'll give socialism a stab.
It would be very liberal with a few conservative views here and there.
I'm not sure what immigration policy would be. Perhaps you have to be qualified to do work and take a test or something.
Demilitarized.
Education, infrastructure etc.


I'm just going to follow Sweden's model with a few little tweaks.

"Listen, just sit down, shut up, and listen to me." See, now that's probably most people's ideal society, deep down

Personally, I would emphasize justice, so outside of the obvious nitpicks one can do at looking at each point individually I would do something like this:

1) Political system is an educated democracy where the voters need to demonstrate competency in any issue they vote on. Somewhat socialistic in nature; irrevocable checks and balances prevent a class difference, an individual is incentivized wholly on a scientific measure of their present-day contribution to society at large.

2) Highly liberal progressive. In fact, actions that hinder progress, defined specifically under guidelines that bring about betterment for all of mankind, is the basis of the criminal justice system.

3) While individual racial/cultural differences are tolerated, all individuals have the same rights and responsibilities regardless of racial/cultural reasons, and so there is a firm line on just how far this gets you. No one is discriminated against, but each individual must be willing to survive on the basis of their own merits.

I agree with this man. #2 is a bit iffy though, because that could be interpreted many ways. If you just mean someone actively trying to hinder other's work, then sure whatever, but if you mean someone who tries to relax and not do anything for a while, then let them be. They won't be pulling their weight, but then they won't be paid and have to suffer the consequences. Wow that sounded very evil businessman like.

 

[Blueruler182]

Socialism to the same point of Canada's government. I like my government, what can I say?

 

[theamazingbean]

One not composed of human beings since humans inevitably ruin everything they touch. And then everybody calls me insane when I suggest starting a eugenics program.

 

[spectrenihlus]

If you could found your own nation, what sort of society would it be?

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?

2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?

3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)

4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power ect.?

5).Would more resources be put into education,infastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?

It would be a socialist democracy. I don't claim to know a lot about socialism, but capitalism is the economy of the evil, and communism is the economy of those who try to beat out all traces out of people, so we'll give socialism a stab.
It would be very liberal with a few conservative views here and there.
I'm not sure what immigration policy would be. Perhaps you have to be qualified to do work and take a test or something.
Demilitarized.
Education, infrastructure etc.


I'm just going to follow Sweden's model with a few little tweaks.

I just want to say this. The problem with capitalism is capitalists while the problem with socialism is socialism.

 

[Blueruler182]

Socialism to the same point of Canada's government. I like my government, what can I say?

Eh, in my opinion we aren't nearly socialist enough. The current guys in power are also in the pockets of American lobbyists.

I don't care, I can't run a country, so I'm going to take the idea from someone who's doing it right. You asked what I'd do, not what I think the best thing is. I think the best thing for me to do is rip off Canada.

 

[cornmancer]

I just want to say this. The problem with capitalism is capitalists while the problem with socialism is socialism.

Like I said, I don't know too much about socialism, but I do know that capitalism only promotes exploitation and the idea of a few people making the rest of us live in the gutters. It's an economic system based entirely on the idea of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, something that just does not fly with me.

 

[spectrenihlus]

One not composed of human beings since humans inevitably ruin everything they touch. And then everybody calls me insane when I suggest starting a eugenics program.

Eugenics should be used cautiously. I'd argue the only safe eugenics program is a eugenics program that only addresses heritable disorders and predispositions to disease.

If you could found your own nation, what sort of society would it be?

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?

2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?

3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)

4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power ect.?

5).Would more resources be put into education,infastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?

It would be a socialist democracy. I don't claim to know a lot about socialism, but capitalism is the economy of the evil, and communism is the economy of those who try to beat out all traces out of people, so we'll give socialism a stab.
It would be very liberal with a few conservative views here and there.
I'm not sure what immigration policy would be. Perhaps you have to be qualified to do work and take a test or something.
Demilitarized.
Education, infrastructure etc.


I'm just going to follow Sweden's model with a few little tweaks.

I just want to say this. The problem with capitalism is capitalists while the problem with socialism is socialism.

Why do you say that?

Also

[HEADING=2]HOLD UP[/HEADING]

shouldn't this be in the Religion & Politics section?

With socialism you eventually run out of other people's money.

 

[Jfswift]

There isn't one good setup although I suppose if I had the chance to create my own nation.

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?
I'd prefer a democratic society with some socialist elements (education and health-care).
2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?
For stability I'd prefer a conservative society although with established guidelines for fair trade and decent working conditions.
3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)
I'm okay with immigration. Everyone brings something to the table. It doesn't make sense to turn anyone away. (maybe that's too simplistic a view but it's what I honestly believe.)
4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power etc.?
I'd prefer demilitarized.
5).Would more resources be put into education,infrastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?
Resources would mostly be put into education and infrastructure. The rest I would leave to the forces of the free market.

 

[spectrenihlus]

One not composed of human beings since humans inevitably ruin everything they touch. And then everybody calls me insane when I suggest starting a eugenics program.

Eugenics should be used cautiously. I'd argue the only safe eugenics program is a eugenics program that only addresses heritable disorders and predispositions to disease.

If you could found your own nation, what sort of society would it be?

1)What political system would it be organized into? What economic system would it support?

2)Would it be a liberal progressive society or a more conservative in its emphasis?

3)Would it be a pluralistic society or homogenized racially or culturally? (Immigration policy?)

4)Would it be demilitarized,heavily militarized, a nuclear power ect.?

5).Would more resources be put into education,infastructure,government programs or into the tourism, and the market(investment)?

It would be a socialist democracy. I don't claim to know a lot about socialism, but capitalism is the economy of the evil, and communism is the economy of those who try to beat out all traces out of people, so we'll give socialism a stab.
It would be very liberal with a few conservative views here and there.
I'm not sure what immigration policy would be. Perhaps you have to be qualified to do work and take a test or something.
Demilitarized.
Education, infrastructure etc.


I'm just going to follow Sweden's model with a few little tweaks.

I just want to say this. The problem with capitalism is capitalists while the problem with socialism is socialism.

Why do you say that?

Also

[HEADING=2]HOLD UP[/HEADING]

shouldn't this be in the Religion & Politics section?

With socialism you eventually run out of other people's money.

What? Socialist governments can thrive far better than capitalist governments in theory because they directly own the industry, resources, etc, thus giving them all of the revenue rather than a cut(tax). In fact, the only thing that changes(in theory) is that the money the bourgeoisie and the company would be making goes to the government.

The key words are in theory.