Your opinion on Spawn-Trapping + Spawn Camping

[weary]

some of the best times ive ever had in games is when i best a spawn camper... finnaly

 

[quiet_samurai]

some of the best times ive ever had in games is when i best a spawn camper... finnaly

Agreed. It's just hard not to join in the fun when your whole team is doing it. Peer pressure is a ************.

 

[ejb626]

I don't do it, I've actually never come across a tactical insertion before if I did I'd probaly spawn-camp the guy once then destroy it, to be nice because I'd know if I was in that situation I would get really pissed. I really hate it, I used to hate camping then I found that the only way to get kills in MW2 for the most part is camping, so I don't mind it but spawn camping is dispicable.

 

[omega_peaches]

IMO, it's for Noobs who need to learn2play

 

[Liberaliter]

Annoying, the game should have been designed better to avoid it.

 

[suhlEap]

i suffered that today. it does get annoying but it doesn't drive me mental or anything...

 

[MurderousToaster]

It's hilarious when it happens. And it's the complainers fault for not knowing how to get out of it.

Please refer to my thing on WoW. If, in my Arathi Basin situation, you are surrounded at your Spirit Healer by people of your level, you will die. It's a fact, not a variable, due to the statistical way RPGs work

In games like Modern Warfare, the only way you will get out of being spawncamped in a corner is if you have the reflexes of a ninja on crack and can pop off headshots on the six members of the enemy team without them being able to hit you.

 

[SimuLord]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

In short: Remind me never to play online with Mr. Panda Avatar here.

If you're the kind of sore loser who'd rather incessantly whine about something than learn to deal with it or move on then yes, you're better off not playing against me. But don't worry, I'm not interested in playing against people like you either, so we're not likely to run into eachother.

Are you familiar with the word "cheeser"? Because cheesers are 99% of the reason I don't play online.

 

[Ironsouled]

At least in FPS's, so long as your team (the campee's) aren't idiots its actually really hard to successfully spawn camp. I love sitting in my spawn zone with a sniper in my hand and dropping the noobs who think to get a leg up on the scoring, personally. If the game has been poorly designed to the point of spawn camping means instalose... Blame the maker.

I will however admit if your team is composed of idiots it can get annoying. Ex. I'm playing MW2 and all of my team is trying to get out of a spawn camp by sitting in the spawn and shooting out. Feeling like beating my head against the keyboard, I snipe a path clear and tell everyone to move before the people get back to our spawn. At which point the entire team tells me almost in unison that they know what they are doing and I should STFU. We lost about 45 seconds later.

Ideal situation: I snipe with the help of another person or to a path, then the close up people on our team run out the doorway we made and start happily shooting at people again.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

Oh, but I do so hate the players, don't get me wrong I also hate the develepers but I don't see this as a legitimate strategy, you're saying its only bad players that can't get out? Its only bad players that can't keep their damn crossheirs fixed on a target that's unfortunate enough to have his back turned against you. I don't take particular offense against your point of view as this is the reason I often don't bother with FPS', because the aim isn't to play the game so much as it is to win it. By your logic if everyone had the ability to simply type kill in console and have it work it would be perfectly legitimate and instead of saying that its a stupid approach to the game we should call the developers and force them to have an epipheny instructing them to stop making shitty and generic games.

Also, I thought the maths reference was pretty simple.

endofhorriblerant

Eh, it's not a horrible rant. I don't mind you having an opinion. I just disagree with you and, while I certainly see your point, I don't think it's an entirely valid one. If there was a game where typing "kill player" would let you win, you'd blame it on the players? Who were the ones who put the function in the game to begin with? I would never play such a horrible game, and I honestly don't see why anyone would.

Also, the reason I missed he reference is mostly because English isn't my native tongue, and while I'm reasonably proficient at conversational English, catchin math references in a foreign language is a bit above my level.

Anyway, to explain my point of view a bit better: For the sake of example, let's break the spawn camp 'abuse' situation down in two parts: One part is whether or not the tactic used is unbeatable, and the other is whether or not the player using the tactic is doing so because it's the only way he can win.

Situation one: The tactic is unbeatable, and using it is the only way the 'cheap' player can win.
In this situation, there's a clear flaw in the game's setup that allows one tactic to beat all other possible tactics. This is clearly the fault of the developer, since they allowed the game to get unbalanced. The player using the tactic is playing to win, but he isn't particularly skilled: If it wasn't for that one tactic, you'd be able to beat him. But if you really are able to beat him, why aren't you able to beat him at his own game? Apparently, he's just better than you, either because you simply suck or because you refuse to use a winning strategy. Either way, the developers are the bad guys and the 'cheap' player deserves the win for doing what is necessary to get that win. If you can't stomach the idea that one tactic beats all (and honestly, that's a perfectly normal thing: I wouldn't either), you simply shouldn't be playing such a shitty game.

Situation two: The tactic is unbeatable, and the 'cheap' player can win any way he wants to.
In this case, the player is simply better than you. Whether or not he uses the unbeatable tactic, he'll still beat you. The most likely reason he uses the tactic is either because he doesn't know you suck, or he just wants you prevent you from doing the same thing yourself and land him in the losing position of situation one. Again, the developers fucked up and the 'cheap' player deserves the win.

Situation three: The tactic is not unbeatable, but it's still the only way the 'cheap' player can win.
In this case, the fault is entirely yours. If the tactic can be beaten and the other player is worse than you when not using that tactic, then you should be wiping the floor with the scrub. If you keep getting killed over and over again by a player who's less skilled than you, you should either learn to beat his tactic, or start wondering whether you really are good enough to beat him normally.

Situation four: The tactic is not unbeatable, and the 'cheap' player can win any way he wants to.
In this case you're just fucked. It doesn't matter why the opponent chooses to use the 'cheap' tactic, because he'll beat you any way you play. In this situation there really isn't any fault to speak of, other than that you're just not skilled enough. And if you start whining because the other guy was simply better than you, you've really reached rock bottom, and probably shouldn't play online games anymore.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

In short: Remind me never to play online with Mr. Panda Avatar here.

If you're the kind of sore loser who'd rather incessantly whine about something than learn to deal with it or move on then yes, you're better off not playing against me. But don't worry, I'm not interested in playing against people like you either, so we're not likely to run into eachother.

Are you familiar with the word "cheeser"? Because cheesers are 99% of the reason I don't play online.

I'm familiar with the word as an excuse that scrubs use for being bad at a game.

Are you familiar with the word "scrub"? Because scrubs are 99% of the reason I don't play on public servers.

 

[SimuLord]

I'm familiar with the word as an excuse that scrubs use for being bad at a game.

Are you familiar with the word "scrub"? Because scrubs are 99% of the reason I don't play on public servers.

So you're a dick. OK. Just wanted to make that clear. Like that other poster said, if you could open up the console, type "kill [player]", and have it work, would you? Single-player FTW. AI cheating is at least predictable.

 

[LewsTherin]

I've played WoW, and I know your pain as my own. But, it only happens when your team is unfortunately outmatched, or when they are terribly unskilled. Usually both. When it gets to that point and the team can't muster to overcome, you've been had, and they didn't even buy you dinner first. It's your teams fault for letting it happen.

On CoD, it's a similar story. if your team has been beat back to your spawn, you deserve to be beaten by the better team. If it's FFA, someone will knife the bastard eventually, there's no way to cover every single spawnpoint.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

I'm familiar with the word as an excuse that scrubs use for being bad at a game.

Are you familiar with the word "scrub"? Because scrubs are 99% of the reason I don't play on public servers.

So you're a dick. OK. Just wanted to make that clear. Like that other poster said, if you could open up the console, type "kill [player]", and have it work, would you? Single-player FTW. AI cheating is at least predictable.

Ooh, resorting to the good old ad hominem, I see. Very classy.

Read <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.170491.4655960>this post, please.

 

[Normalgamer]

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
It's the creator's faults to make it possible to spawn camp and spawn kill. It's only natural people would want to abuse it.
Remember people:
Anonymity+Regular guy=Fucktard.

 

[SageRuffin]

Please pardon this "lol hes not hardcoar, noob" question but what's spawn-camping? Is that similar to playing Goldeneye64 and having one of the players put proximity mines in all the respawn locations?

 

[weary]

Please pardon this "lol hes not hardcoar, noob" question but what's spawn-camping? Is that similar to playing Goldeneye64 and having one of the players put proximity mines in all the respawn locations?

extremely but instead of mines its people... with guns

also i used to love that game

 

[MurderousToaster]

It's hilarious when it happens. And it's the complainers fault for not knowing how to get out of it.

Please refer to my thing on WoW. If, in my Arathi Basin situation, you are surrounded at your Spirit Healer by people of your level, you will die. It's a fact, not a variable, due to the statistical way RPGs work

In games like Modern Warfare, the only way you will get out of being spawncamped in a corner is if you have the reflexes of a ninja on crack and can pop off headshots on the six members of the enemy team without them being able to hit you.

I have problems with you, sir. First, you assume all spawn campers are utterly retarded and just stand there and make you into swiss cheese ASAP. Not all do(the ones that do so are indeed difficult to counter, unless you can coordinate teams). Second, you assume you need god like reflexes. Also not true. For instance, I was playing CoD on Pavlov. There was a filthy spawn camper on a roof who sniped everyone he saw down. So what happens? My team coordinates itself. The SMG guys Zerg rush the shit out of him, while me and the coordinator attempt to snipe him. Needless to say we were victorious, with only two men down. We quickly gained control of that building driving the opposite team back to the final building.

While that is a rare scenario, not every spawn camper(or any camper, for that matter) is going to stand there like an oaf in plain sight waiting for you to spawn. They're going to hide, and you're going to need to strategize.

I have problems with you, also. First, you assume that somehow or other people on the Internet are going to co-operate with you if you don't know them, which is almost always wrong. A lot of people will just say "stfu fag" and mute you. Second, your scenario was nothing like mine, given that you were against one man, whereas in my (hypothetical) scenario it was the entire enemy team that was attempting to spawnrape. If you are playing with friends, overcoming spawncampers is very, very easy due to communication. If you are playing with randoms on MW2 or something, it can be very, very difficult. Most people will sit back in a corner until they either lose, leave or just give up.

My scenarios (apart from the WoW one) occur on Live, a notoriously inhospitable place for communicative players due to half of the population having an IQ of under forty, being immensely homophobic and shouting down their microphones at anyone with the levels of audacity to attempt to create any sort of co-ordinated assault. Perhaps you play with friends or get lucky with teammates, but for me, it usually ends up being some very irritating pit of camping (With Infinity Ward's horribly broken spawn system being a catalyst for the situation).

In reference to the WoW situation, it is a statistical fact that you will die when surrounded.

 

[SageRuffin]

Please pardon this "lol hes not hardcoar, noob" question but what's spawn-camping? Is that similar to playing Goldeneye64 and having one of the players put proximity mines in all the respawn locations?

extremely but instead of mines its people... with guns

...

People can do that?

Ah, yet another reason not to touch most multiplayer shooters. [sings "Ain't No Rest for the Wicked"]

 

[MGlBlaze]

It's cheap as all hell and I hate it under any circumstances.

There are a few games where it isn't as bad like TF2, since you can wait in the spawn room and prepare to break through the campers, but other games don't give you such a chance. You spawn, you die.

It is partly the fault of the level and game designers for allowing it to be possible, but it is far more the fault of the people who carry it out. "CAN does not equal SHOULD or make it right in any way", after all.