Your thoughts on Halo 4?

[F'Angus]

Generally with the campaign it's annoying that you have to go back to the waypoint to view the terminals...Don't know why they couldn't stick them in game because they're important.

 

[Korten12]

Generally with the campaign it's annoying that you have to go back to the waypoint to view the terminals...Don't know why they couldn't stick them in game because they're important.

Apparently they were finally put in at the last moment, so maybe they will patch it eventually to watch it ingame.

 

[VeryOddGamer]

I just ordered it a couple of days ago, so I haven't played it yet, it looks pretty good.
But apparently it has QTEs, which I find nearly blasphemous.

 

[PromethianSpark]

I kno many of you wont really get onboard with this point, but its really bugging me. Cortana's potential rampancy as demonstrated in halo 3 was something akin to lunacy. Now its like a sexist hyper-exaggeration of a period or menopause!

Cortana wasn't in rampancy in Halo 3, she only truly began to go into it with Halo 4 since she was past her 7 year time. She begins to think herself to death and bring up the various memories of Halsey because she can't control it. In Halo 4 she protrayed rampancy perfectly by showing that she is losing control of herself what makes her by mixing herself up at times with Halsey.

If you don't think that rampancy was a theme in halo 3 I suggest you reply it again, specifically the level 'Cortana' and listen to the shit she drools throughout it b4 you retrieve her. Gravemind was driving her to rampancy much like mendicant bias. Your defence and description of Cortana's rampancy in Halo 4 suggests that the issue that I put forth has eluded you, and that you are a eager fan boy who has happily devoured the new direction in story advanced by 343 industries (set in motion in books prior to the game) which flies in the face of what bungie had intended. There is a reason they left microsoft, and its because they lost all creative control over there IP

 

[F'Angus]

Generally with the campaign it's annoying that you have to go back to the waypoint to view the terminals...Don't know why they couldn't stick them in game because they're important.

Apparently they were finally put in at the last moment, so maybe they will patch it eventually to watch it ingame.

I hope so.. It's make so much more sense if they did.

 

[White_Lama]

Halo 4 is my GOTY.

'nuff said.

(a bit sad about the CoD'ification, but the campaign makes up for that)

 

[Erttheking]

I kno many of you wont really get onboard with this point, but its really bugging me. Cortana's potential rampancy as demonstrated in halo 3 was something akin to lunacy. Now its like a sexist hyper-exaggeration of a period or menopause!

Cortana wasn't in rampancy in Halo 3, she only truly began to go into it with Halo 4 since she was past her 7 year time. She begins to think herself to death and bring up the various memories of Halsey because she can't control it. In Halo 4 she protrayed rampancy perfectly by showing that she is losing control of herself what makes her by mixing herself up at times with Halsey.

If you don't think that rampancy was a theme in halo 3 I suggest you reply it again, specifically the level 'Cortana' and listen to the shit she drools throughout it b4 you retrieve her. Gravemind was driving her to rampancy much like mendicant bias. Your defence and description of Cortana's rampancy in Halo 4 suggests that the issue that I put forth has eluded you, and that you are a eager fan boy who has happily devoured the new direction in story advanced by 343 industries (set in motion in books prior to the game) which flies in the face of what bungie had intended. There is a reason they left microsoft, and its because they lost all creative control over there IP

You know, your argument kinda losses weight when you stoop down to calling someone a fanboy for disagreeing with you. It seems kinda petty. Also Cortana and Halo 3 seemed less like rampancy and more like she was being mind controlled by the Gravemind.

 

[PromethianSpark]

You know, your argument kinda losses weight when you stoop down to calling someone a fanboy for disagreeing with you. It seems kinda petty. Also Cortana and Halo 3 seemed less like rampancy and more like she was being mind controlled by the Gravemind.

Not if you are making a distinction between free thinking fans that are critical of recent story choices, as opposed to 'fan boys' who devour and accept every shred of information and then think it proves their bigger fans

 

[Korten12]

I kno many of you wont really get onboard with this point, but its really bugging me. Cortana's potential rampancy as demonstrated in halo 3 was something akin to lunacy. Now its like a sexist hyper-exaggeration of a period or menopause!

Cortana wasn't in rampancy in Halo 3, she only truly began to go into it with Halo 4 since she was past her 7 year time. She begins to think herself to death and bring up the various memories of Halsey because she can't control it. In Halo 4 she protrayed rampancy perfectly by showing that she is losing control of herself what makes her by mixing herself up at times with Halsey.

If you don't think that rampancy was a theme in halo 3 I suggest you reply it again, specifically the level 'Cortana' and listen to the shit she drools throughout it b4 you retrieve her. Gravemind was driving her to rampancy much like mendicant bias. Your defence and description of Cortana's rampancy in Halo 4 suggests that the issue that I put forth has eluded you, and that you are a eager fan boy who has happily devoured the new direction in story advanced by 343 industries (set in motion in books prior to the game) which flies in the face of what bungie had intended. There is a reason they left microsoft, and its because they lost all creative control over there IP

Halo 3 was only part about rampancy, Cortana wasn't fully experiencing it. She hadn't reach her life expendency yet. Gravemind and the revelation about Halo in CE yes did help her further along to Rampancy then a Smart AI that had nothing to do with those to. But Cortana was then sitting on the Forward Unto Dawn for 4 years... Doing nothing, just thinking. That is worse then the Gravemind and revelations of Halo combined. A Smart AI doing nothing but thinking with nothing to do is bad. It causes them to begin to go insane with nothing to do. Halo 3's story wasn't centered around Cortana's rampancy, it was about stopping the Covenant and the Flood.

Also I do like the new direction, 343i is putting lore. Bungie fucked lore with Reach and 343i was left with it and they had to fix canon by using the data drops and the remastered Fall of Reach and First Strike because Bungie had screwed up.

Bungie's original idea of Forerunners being Humanity is just stupid, they wanted Forerunners to be the cliche ancient god-like beings with no flaws. 343i introduced the Forerunners are being actual beings that weren't the standard cliche that so many ancient Sci-Fi civilizations in fiction do. 343i added dimension to the Forerunners made them believable species who have flaws. They made Humanity more unique because they were a ancient space faring civilization who was created by the Precursors as was the Forerunners. Thus the backstory of Halo was greatly expanded.

In one of your earlier posts you said that Bungie wanted to move onto Sangheili. No, they didn't and even if they did, how the fuck would you have known? Did you work for Bungie? If they had gone with their original plan to make Forerunners - humans, then that would have only made another game about Humanity even more paramount because too many questions were left after 3. Like what was happening with the Master Chief, why did Guilty Sparks say what he did.

Also wow? You flame much? Based on that one comment you go on a rant about Microsoft? You want to know why Bungie left? THEY WANTED TO MOVE ON. NOT BECAUSE OF CREATIVE CONTROL. They wanted to work on more then just Halo because they had been working on it for the past 10 years. It wasn't about losing control, they wanted to work on more then just Halo. But that is why some people from Bungie moved to 343i because they wanted to work on Halo more. If you honestly think Microsoft controls halo's lore, then you're seriously deluded.

 

[Erttheking]

You know, your argument kinda losses weight when you stoop down to calling someone a fanboy for disagreeing with you. It seems kinda petty. Also Cortana and Halo 3 seemed less like rampancy and more like she was being mind controlled by the Gravemind.

Not if you are making a distinction between free thinking fans that are critical of recent story choices, as opposed to 'fan boys' who devour and accept every shred of information and then think it proves their bigger fans

I can't help but feel like you're putting words in Korten's mouth by saying that. How on Earth does he imply that he is a "bigger fan". Seriously, it just sounds like you're getting on him for disagreeing with you.

 

[Korten12]

You know, your argument kinda losses weight when you stoop down to calling someone a fanboy for disagreeing with you. It seems kinda petty. Also Cortana and Halo 3 seemed less like rampancy and more like she was being mind controlled by the Gravemind.

Not if you are making a distinction between free thinking fans that are critical of recent story choices, as opposed to 'fan boys' who devour and accept every shred of information and then think it proves their bigger fans

I can't help but feel like you're putting words in Korten's mouth by saying that. How on Earth does he imply that he is a "bigger fan". Seriously, it just sounds like you're getting on him for disagreeing with you.

Apparently I am a bigger fanboy for liking the new stuff. Which based on PromethianSpark is apparently also a bad thing. I posted a large response, but I probably shouldn't have. I think he is just trolling to get attention by making anyone out that disagrees with him a deluded fanboy.

 

[PromethianSpark]

You know, your argument kinda losses weight when you stoop down to calling someone a fanboy for disagreeing with you. It seems kinda petty. Also Cortana and Halo 3 seemed less like rampancy and more like she was being mind controlled by the Gravemind.

I can see why you think she was mind controlled, because the gravemind speaks through her at times. But a distinction could be made between this and alot of other things she says, which range from spartan program references, to the dam right nonsensical, e.g. 'I am a thief, but I keep what I steal'.

Prior to it's release, and almost immediately after halo 2, many fans speculated Cortana would be rampant in the game, due to her age and interaction with the gravemind. She flashes red in the halo 3 announcement trailer, and in several parts of the game itself. All in all, we can assume that she was borderline rampant, something that she admits to herself in the level 'Cortana', but the chief 'brought her back'. The overall point, is that rampancy in halo had always be portrayed as lunacy. The halo 4 rampancy seems to echo many sexists exagerations of hyper emotional women, due to PSM or menopause, or because their just women. Not just is this sexist, its all cheap and easy, shit writing

 

[Erttheking]

You know, your argument kinda losses weight when you stoop down to calling someone a fanboy for disagreeing with you. It seems kinda petty. Also Cortana and Halo 3 seemed less like rampancy and more like she was being mind controlled by the Gravemind.

I can see why you think she was mind controlled, because the gravemind speaks through her at times. But a distinction could be made between this and alot of other things she says, which range from spartan program references, to the dam right nonsensical, e.g. 'I am a thief, but I keep what I steal'.

Prior to it's release, and almost immediately after halo 2, many fans speculated Cortana would be rampant in the game, due to her age and interaction with the gravemind. She flashes red in the halo 3 announcement trailer, and in several parts of the game itself. All in all, we can assume that she was borderline rampant, something that she admits to herself in the level 'Cortana', but the chief 'brought her back'. The overall point, is that rampancy in halo had always be portrayed as lunacy. The halo 4 rampancy seems to echo many sexists exagerations of hyper emotional women, due to PSM or menopause, or because their just women. Not just is this sexist, its all cheap and easy, shit writing

So if any woman ever gets emotional in a story it's automatically an exaggeration of PSM or menopause? I don't follow. Also I seem to recall Cortana saying "it's like there's a thousand of me arguing inside my head" which doesn't seem like something a woman normally goes through on her period.

 

[Korten12]

I can see why you think she was mind controlled, because the gravemind speaks through her at times. But a distinction could be made between this and alot of other things she says, which range from spartan program references, to the dam right nonsensical, e.g. 'I am a thief, but I keep what I steal'.

Prior to it's release, and almost immediately after halo 2, many fans speculated Cortana would be rampant in the game, due to her age and interaction with the gravemind. She flashes red in the halo 3 announcement trailer, and in several parts of the game itself. All in all, we can assume that she was borderline rampant, something that she admits to herself in the level 'Cortana', but the chief 'brought her back'. The overall point, is that rampancy in halo had always be portrayed as lunacy. The halo 4 rampancy seems to echo many sexists exagerations of hyper emotional women, due to PSM or menopause, or because their just women. Not just is this sexist, its all cheap and easy, shit writing

First of all you somehow quoted me, despite that being what erttheking said.

Second of all, Cortana was based on Halsey, Cortana isn't just an AI, she is a female. So it's unsurprising that when she began to show rampancy that she showed signs of things like PSM or menopause, you know. Things females actually do at times feel. Your more sexist trying to believe those things don't exist. You also make those things out to be sexist which doesn't make sense. How can something that females can feel be sexist?

Thirdly, she was going insane, she began to remember things from Halsey, since Cortana is essentially a younger Halsey which you apparently keep forgetting. So no it's not sexist for Cortana to feel real emotions and things that females actually feel since she is one of the most advanced AI's based on the brain of Halsey.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Why should a sniper rifle be anti-vehicle? Makes no sense.

It makes sense in the Halo universe. I can't remember what size bullet the UNSC sniper rifle fires, but I remember that the real-life equivalent is an anti-vehicle(armor piercing)round.

Sniper rifles have always been all-around good for killing enemies and destroying vehicles alike. Heck, if you play Halo Reach, pay attention to the little hints/tips that the game gives you while you are searching for players, it actually tells you if you are having trouble against tanks and other vehicles that a couple well placed sniper shots will do the trick to destroy the vehicle.

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Edit: While I do agree that weapon drop system is similar to the kill streaks of COD, what makes it different is the fact that its randomized and unlike most kill streaks you still gotta do the killing yourself. However, I do admit that it would be nice if they could add a classic halo mode (pre-set loadouts and weapon spawn points instead of weapon drops) for variety sake.

I also partially disagree with the level assessment. While there are indeed run and gun levels halo has always had run and gun levels. Some levels actually do require some strategy. In Longbow you want to control the base on the ridge because it has the highest vantage point and it easier to defend than other areas on the map. In Ragnarok, if you can control the mid-left and mid-right sections of the map then you can make it nearly impossible for the opposing team to attack without them getting hit from both sides. I have also seen plenty of good sniping spots in Ragnarok.

For variety's sake, I which they would put in a proper free-for-all mode. Both free-for-all modes are game types. Flood is a version of zombies, and Regicide is just a kill formed king of the hill match. They need a free-for-all that isn't a game type but just a straight forward free-for-all that is based on just kills and not point levels for the types of kills you get(like in Regicide). Oh, and they need to make it at least 8 person, Halo free-for-all matches have always been 8 player max(not six, like Regicide).

Also, I wonder if would kill them if they put descriptions of the game types in the listing with the amount of max players, because really it is only from past Halo game experience that I determined off the top of my head that Flood was zombies before I started the game.

On your last paragraph:

If you pay attention to what I quoted my friend saying, he said the new maps weren't good for sniping. We haven't played on Longbow yet, so we don't know, but of course Ragnarok has good sniping spots, because that map is just a graphical re-skin of Bungie's Valhalla from Reach.

The reason my friend and I are complaining is that with Big Team games Halo 3 and in Reach at least 80% or more of the maps were created with sniping spots as a big part of them. The only thing I hope is that 343 rectifies the Big Team sniper map problem with the map packs to come.

Oh and now that I think about it, 343 knows that they didn't release enough good sniper maps, because there is the fact that the team snipers game type from Reach isn't in Halo 4. Which is a pity, because team snipers made up at least a quarter of the player vs player games I played.

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And about damage to vehicles i don't see it, i shot down a Banshee with 4 Sniper shots, it just depends where you hit them, same with the Ghost. You can try testing weapon damage, but when an Enemy is in the them, they take more damage, its been the same in all Halo's, it's something i have noticed anyway.

And I have shot a Wraith in the front, 2 rockets got it, and 1 in the back on another, again, don't see it. Again, when an Enemy is in them, they take more damage.

Think about it.
If the amount without people in it is different(higher) in Halo 4 than in Reach, then the lower shot count with people in the vehicle in Halo 4, isn't as low as the lower shot count with people in the vehicle in Reach.

So my point still stands, shot counts all around have gone up with snipers. In comparison, that four shots that you used to take down a Banshee in Halo 4, would have taken down that Banshee in two shots in Reach.

Also, with that Wraith that you took out in less rocket hits, you also have to take into account how much damage it already had on it. Also with that you have to take into account that the Wraith can take a lot of damage before it even shows that it has taken damage.

Snipers use to be feared all around, now they are only feared if on foot.

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I take your point but we can now choose to spawn with a plasma pistol and/or plasma grenades - both very nice anti-vehicle weapons. Not to mention you can just jump over a ramming Ghost, or boost out of the way.

Additionally, almost every map has parts where vehicles either can't get to or at an extreme disadvantage (Ragnarok is the only truly open and vehicle-friendly map) and many of the vehicles have been toned down (such as the enormous nerfing the Banshee has received), so actually vehicles aren't that overpowered any more.

A plasma pistol means nothing, all it will do is stun the vehicle and give the player time to jump out of the vehicle to get away. I've tested plasma grenades. It takes six to take out a tank, which means at least 4 or 5 if somebody is in the tank. It takes 4 plasmas to destroy a ghost, which means 3 plasmas when somebody is in the vehicle, so unless the player is using the carry more grenades perk, then plasma grenades aren't the answer. Besides throwing that many grenades will take too long.

Yes you can just jump out of the way of a ghost speeding towards you but, with armor-lock in Reach, I could just go into armor-lock and 4 out of 5 times I could instantly destroy the ghost and kill the enemy. Now with armor-lock gone, it is back to fearing ghosts because it takes large mounts of time to destroy the thing, if you don't have a power weapon or a sniper for headshoting the driver.

 

[PromethianSpark]

Also I do like the new direction, 343i is putting lore. Bungie fucked lore with Reach and 343i was left with it and they had to fix canon by using the data drops and the remastered Fall of Reach and First Strike because Bungie had screwed up.

Bungie's original idea of Forerunners being Humanity is just stupid, they wanted Forerunners to be the cliche ancient god-like beings with no flaws. 343i introduced the Forerunners are being actual beings that weren't the standard cliche that so many ancient Sci-Fi civilizations in fiction do. 343i added dimension to the Forerunners made them believable species who have flaws. They made Humanity more unique because they were a ancient space faring civilization who was created by the Precursors as was the Forerunners. Thus the backstory of Halo was greatly expanded.

In one of your earlier posts you said that Bungie wanted to move onto Sangheili. No, they didn't and even if they did, how the fuck would you have known? Did you work for Bungie? If they had gone with their original plan to make Forerunners - humans, then that would have only made another game about Humanity even more paramount because too many questions were left after 3. Like what was happening with the Master Chief, why did Guilty Sparks say what he did.

Also wow? You flame much? Based on that one comment you go on a rant about Microsoft? You want to know why Bungie left? THEY WANTED TO MOVE ON. NOT BECAUSE OF CREATIVE CONTROL. They wanted to work on more then just Halo because they had been working on it for the past 10 years. It wasn't about losing control, they wanted to work on more then just Halo. But that is why some people from Bungie moved to 343i because they wanted to work on Halo more. If you honestly think Microsoft controls halo's lore, then you're seriously deluded.

First of all, it was easy for bungie to move on whilst in microsoft, and they would of received better funding for all their projects. They had to have left for other reasons tha wanting to move on from halo, seeing they could do that if they wanted to. Furthermore, 343 industries didn't just pop out of the blue to take over from bungie, they where set up by microsoft to oversee their biggest selling franchise and makes sure they milk more money out an IP that bungie was rapidly losing control of. 343 industries had there nose in halo 3, and I'd imagine where the responsible party for halo reach.

Your point about a none cliched forerunner race is valid. Except it didn't have to be cliched because, they could of easily avoided directly engaging with the forerunners, as they did for, I dunno, 5 games. The 343 forerunners make no sense at all. I mean I have some series fucking questions about them, and am not talking about things that are still mysterious, am talking series fucking plot holes! I mean I would like to see an actual time scale of these shattered events, between the human-flood war, human-forerunner war, human regression, forerunner-flood war, the construction of the halos, the composer, human/promethians, the librian and didacts complicated and antagonistic relationship which goes sour, but then they communicate like lovers before the ring fires, and really, when did she index humanity it keeps fucking changing! Furthermore, how did the librarian's love for humanity translate into reclaimer status, with every monitor being in the know and onboard with this. Forerunner's society seems to be a political mess, with no consensus on anything, and yet they managed to pull off this plan where humanity reclaims its all and takes up the mantle, because one forerunner was fond of them. Plz.

As for what I said about the elites sequel, I didn't say that bungie stated this as a plan. All I meant was it was the logical conclusion at the end of halo 4, and would of please me and I dare say some others as well

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

Something really bugs me about this game. I never feel safe in multiplayer. With the proliferation of snipers, rockets, lasers, and incineration cannons because of ordinance drops, as well as the nutty power level of the DMR/Lightrifle at long range, you are never "out of range". Battles tend to be over much faster at long range. This wasn't the case in the older Halo games. Even in Halo 2 with the hit-scan BR, you didn't die quickly at long range. In this game I have died in under 1 second from literally the other side of the map, multiple times in a single game. oh, you're getting Team DMR'd? You're dead. There is no "get to cover". Nope. You're dead instantly.

This is only really a problem in Big Team Battle, where long range battles are the norm rather than the exception. It still ruins that game mode for me though.

 

[MPerce]

Just finished the campaign yesterday on legendary, took about 7 hours. Overall a very fun campaign. Story was a bit of a bust for me, since it never thoroughly explained why the Covenant had broken the truce (something something rogue faction was all I got), and major plot devices with important sounding names are given very vague importance (what the hell is the Composer and why should I protect it?). But the exchanges between Cortana and Master Chief were well done and quite touching, making Master Chief seem like an actual character for once.

Covenant baddies are as fun to fight as always. The Constructs, on the other hand, are the most boring and annoying enemies the Halo franchise has ever had. There's barely any variety to them, and the only way to go about beating them is to dump a ton of ammo into them and hope they don't teleport away from you. And they have a SHIT LOAD of health (at least in legendary mode) that recovers if you stop shooting at them for 3 seconds. Couple that with frequently carried insta-kill weapons and the shitty Construct weapons that you inevitably have to use and these levels are just a chore to get through.

Oh, and multiplayer's pretty fun. The pace of the game is way faster than it's ever been thanks to everyone having sprint, and I'm really not a fan of having to unlock weapons and freakin emblems. But it's Halo. Get some friends together and you'll have a grand old time.

 

[recruit00]

Something really bugs me about this game. I never feel safe in multiplayer. With the proliferation of snipers, rockets, lasers, and incineration cannons because of ordinance drops, as well as the nutty power level of the DMR/Lightrifle at long range, you are never "out of range". Battles tend to be over much faster at long range. This wasn't the case in the older Halo games. Even in Halo 2 with the hit-scan BR, you didn't die quickly at long range. In this game I have died in under 1 second from literally the other side of the map, multiple times in a single game. oh, you're getting Team DMR'd? You're dead. There is no "get to cover". Nope. You're dead instantly.

This is only really a problem in Big Team Battle, where long range battles are the norm rather than the exception. It still ruins that game mode for me though.

That is actually one thing I am curious about. Will there still only be one sniper or one rocket per level in a regular match or will the drops bring multiples?

 

[PromethianSpark]

I don't even know who am talking to any more, so no quotes, but the whole sexist point is completely eluding you guys. I've realised that if you don't already know what am talking about their is little chance of me convincing you. Mostly because I am not going to dig up 20 years of femminist readings of the depiction of women to prove my point. Suffice to say, this kind of thing has been noted before, and it is a cliched troupe that depicts women as being overly emotional and irrational. It doesn't matter a dam that Cortana is modelled on a real women, as if that makes it any better. At its core, it sets this base line: women are emotionally unstable and irrational, men are stable and rational. To those that seem to think I am in denial over the hormonal challenges that face women.....wow...just wow, lol. Thats like saying, 'but women are emotional and crazy and shit, because you know, they get periods and stuff!!! DUR!