Ok here is something I feel I need to point out to most people based on the general gist of the thread.
1: Not all religions believe in God the same way as Christianity does, and yet almost every post on the anti-religion side seems to assume that they do. It is not fair to assume that because somebody believes in a higher power that they cannot believe in Science and vice versa.
2: Science cannot prove anything. Humans are not infallible and therefore nothing we say can be granted as absolute fact.
3: Religion cannot prove anything. There is no logical proof for the existence of the Divine and all religious texts are created by humans, who as mentioned before, are not infallible.
Booze Zombie said:
"If God gave you a life, why would he want you to waste it talking about him?
If he wanted something to talk about him all the time, he'd have made a world of parrots."
"If God gave me a life and then forsakes me for not using my life to tell everyone about him, he's a dick."
A good point, but you are generalizing; as a lot of religions do not believe in God in the way you describe. Not all think there is a divine being who commanded humans how to live thousands of years ago.
Arsen said:
Arguing that an omnipotent needs to be "Scientifically proven" is both ignorant and downright insulting.
Agreed. It's also illogical.
Hunde Des Krieg said:
But when you reduce religion, in its entirety, to "a man in the sky who is everywhere at all times" this demonstrates you have close to zero understanding or knowledge of the concepts involved.
The least logical thing is to dismiss something you have no knowledge of.
A point I think a lot of anti-religious people need to take note of.
mark_n_b said:
If when you say "the chips are down" you mean some douche decides to stir up shit by posting a thread that blatantly suggests that people maintaining the viewpoint contrary to the thread are naive dolts(and this happens from both sides), then yes.
What it comes down to is that no scientific discovery or theory can preclude the existence of God. Nor can it (I assume) assure such a being exists either. Hence the use of the term faith.
Point 1: I agree with the fact that this thread does by the wording used, however no need for the insults.
Point 2: That is why I get annoyed when Scientists dislike religion so much. It just feels like they have to hate it in order to have peace of mind.
Booze Zombie said:
So, nothing is really logical, we just think it is?
Correct.
I wanted more points to make supporting the Science side; but I don't feel that many people have given many valid points due to the apparent lack of knowledge on the difference between the Religions that exist.
Just to make it clear: I am not trying to suggest that people should not follow science or religion, rather that both sides need to accept that they cannot say that they have the answers whereas the other is wrong.