Island said:
Kakkoii said:
Island said:
Kakkoii said:
Island said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
Eh, it doesn't make sense for it to "end" at death. The only reason we think it ends is that we can't see beyond that point. Exactly how we thought the world "ended".
I'm glad that someone else thinks that it just doesn't make sense to end at death.
Lol? You two made me lawl.. Seeing as how millions of people have that same view, due to a little thing called "religion".
People not being able to accept that this is all there is to life has been one of the main driving forces behind the growth of religions for thousands of years.
a lot of people today in fact most people that i know and almost everyone i have spoken to on the internet doesn't believe in life after death due to a little thing called "atheism". but my response to the comment wasn't about religion it was about a gut feeling that death seems unnatural or wrong not that it doesn't happen or isn't the end. the majority of people religious people included except death as a natural inevitability or do you think that anyone other than the Scientologists think that their never going to die? maybe im not as smart as you think you are, but i'm not an idiot, i am able to except death as being the end, but then i am also "open minded" enough to understand that life after death is also possibility. we dont know what happens to consciousness when we die, and science still cant explain absolutely where human consciousness even resides. nevertheless im glad that my utter foolishness gave you a laugh.
I agree that on the Internet, the ratio of Atheistic people to Religious people is pretty close. But population wise, the last census done in the US showed Atheism as only being just above 20%. Which is still nice, since it's increased with ever poll over the decades.
Of course death feels wrong, I wasn't refuting that. I was replying to your comment about death not being the end. And I don't know where you get this idea that religious people don't believe in life after death, since that's pretty much the main driving force behind the whole freaking thing.
And science can explain consciousness pretty well actually, you just need to go out and search for the information, because it is very complicated and isn't usually something you pick up from forum discussions. Consciousness is mainly a function a brain develops from being aware of it's own existence. Some primates have shown behavior akin to consciousness, such as premeditated planning. Sure, our understanding of consciousness isn't 100%, but were getting pretty close as our technology advances and our understanding of brain mechanics increases.
Death truly is wrong, it's a genetic flaw that varies in severity from creature to creature.
Scientist's are working hard to find a way to fix our genetic self repair & protection systems so that we can live forever. It's truly very sound science, and in most likelihood should bring great developments within the next 2 decades. If your young like me, you very well could live long enough to receive treatments that would allow you to live on healthy for ages to come.
Ohh, and it doesn't mean I'm not "open minded" just because I don't believe in life after death. I'm merely rational. Yes, there very well could be life after death! But the chance of that being true is so small that it's like 1 in a bagillion. I could make up some other crap about things after death, like for instance:
"Oh, did you know that flying unicorns come down and greet you when you die, giving you a tour of the galaxy and then granting you 10 wishes for use in the afterlife?"
I have no proof of this, just like there's no proof of an after life. But does that mean I can disprove it? NO! But that doesn't make it a logical choice.
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firstly i never said that religious people don't believe in life after death. and sure its a leap of faith to believe that there is life after death but to be an atheist is to take a leap of faith as well, for instance where did all the matter in the universe come from? spontaneous generation? I'm sure your answer will be that matter can not be created or destroyed but then your not really starting at zero, at the beginning then are you. and with guerrillas and dolphins which im sick of hearing about by the way we can talk about them whenever they start building rockets and planes. isnt it curious that although ever species on the planet had equal opportunity to advance or evolve to are level of cognition we are the only ones? also everyone quotes the mighty sciences like there not all going to change in a few hundred years anyway. think about it every few hundred years we find that everything we new about the world was wrong. and i cant believe your going to try to tell me that we cant cure male pattern baldness but we can fully understand something as intangible as human conscientiousness. even are ideas of something as fundamental as gravity we find is wrong. we can see that celestial body's moving outward from the galaxy are not slowing down like they should be according to gravity but in fact speeding up and i could go on and on. sorry im not trying to be a dick but im just so sick of people on the internet acting like there fucking Bill Nye the science guy. i don't care if anyone wants to be an atheist it just pisses me off when they tell me my chooses are illogical, its insulting and pretentious.
Atheism isn't a leap of faith, because there is no faith involved. What we don't know the answer too, we have to say we don't know, and merely create theories, then do testing until said theories can be proven or disproven. I don't know where all the matter/energy came from, we may never know for sure. For now all we can do is guess. That question applies to science and religion, because where did a God come from? And if God was "eternal", then why can that same argument not be used to merely say energy is eternal. Sounds a lot more logical for the energy to be eternal, then a somehow all knowing intelligent God who can do anything he wants being the first thing around to create everything.
Curing male pattern baldness is genetics, which is a lot more tricky. DNA has tons of points to look at and compare. Then once you manage to find whatever gene it is that needs to be turned on/off to prevent baldness, you then have to create/find a drug that can turn this gene on/off. It is very complicated, but it's really not that far off. Genetic reading/manipulation technology is advancing at a very rapid rate.
If we genetically modified a primate to have a brain the size of ours, then I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the primate would be able learn and think just as good as us, perhaps with a few variable differences due to slight differences in brain architecture.
And no, it's not curious that we're the only ones that are this smart, because that would be implying there is some sort of brain power limit. We merely possess the most advanced brains on the planet, but we don't possess eye's quality of a hawk now do we? Or the nose quality of a dog? These both would be greatly beneficial traits that we have had "equal opportunity to advance" to.
Our understanding hasn't really vastly changed every 100 years, it's merely slowly grown, with a few minor breakthroughs a long the way that changed the core understandings. Changes in our understanding obviously can't go on forever, so that argument doesn't hold much value, as we must reach the end point at some time. And yes, our understanding of gravity is still poor, because unlike pretty much everything else, you can't see gravity, only the effects it has on mass.
And not "trying to be a dick", but it would be nice if you used at least a bit better grammar/spelling. I'm not asking for perfectly written messages, just that you try and make it look like your an educated adult. Because right now when I read your writing, it gives off the feel of a 13 year old. No offense, that's just how it looks.
