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I might as well start with the Race oriented one while I'm here:
As said before, being a ass hat is open TO EVERYBODY. Nothing to go on there.

Most people who try to pull the Race card when there is no reason too just don't want to get into a fight and still win by calling you a racist. There really is nothing to complain about on the gender side of issues. Feminists are doing a great job trying to balance all the rights perfectly so that guys don't get them taken away, which is a big thumbs up from me.

Therefore, people can / are sometimes stupid and asshats.
 

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KoSTHB said:
its not excluding straight white males from topics dealing with discrimination racism and unfairness in life.its me questioning why do we focuses on race for being a source our problems in cases when its not or rarely is. the bulk happen against non whites by all types of people and a tiny amount is against white straight males
Because it's annoying when you have a complaint and are told "Suck it up, you have it easy unlike "
 

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chadachada123 said:
KoSTHB said:
a question here for people on Escapist that i honestly don't understand and have been noticing it more recently. In many a topic dealing with racism, discrimination some unfairness in life, why in most cases do the white straight male tries to victimize himself using only experiences in which people of other races and gender have done the proclaimed wrong.I'm not here to say that white males can't be discriminated against but i have notice that especially on the internet white males end up calling on the Race Card. i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.
Yes, being white, straight, and male gives a person advantages, but it also gives him disadvantages (like being told, for example, hey, you've got it "easy" in life, so we're going to give preferential treatment to others because they "don't have it as easy").
So while giving you preferential treatment in almost everything, the downside is you don't get even more preferential treatment. Wut?
 

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believer258 said:
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believer258 said:
Because being a white straight male doesn't always give you advantages in life.
Pretty much the only time this is true is if you are in a majority non-white society. This is what I mean about not knowing the level of privilege you receive.
You fucking missed the rest of my post. You missed my whole fucking point.

And yes, white people are discriminated against. There's this misconception that all white straight males have decent jobs and decent lives when that's just not true, and it's frustrating when you try to say something to the contrary and you get shot down like I'm going to at some point in this thread.
I didn't miss your point, I disagreed with it. The fact is, even if you were born on the same day, in the same hospital next door to a child who was a minority you have benefited from bring white. Even if we put aside all of the social advantages of being white in America (which are numerous) you had a better chance of finding a job, are more likely to get promoted, may get payed more for the same work, and enjoy a longer life expectancy.
 

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ShadowStar42 said:
believer258 said:
Because being a white straight male doesn't always give you advantages in life.
Pretty much the only time this is true is if you are in a majority non-white society. This is what I mean about not knowing the level of privilege you receive.
True, it does give advantages but it doesn't mean that life still isn't going to be challenging and filled with discrimination for other reasons than sexual preference and skin color. I can't speak for another race or homosexuals, so when I speak of being mistreated I can only speak from my point of view since it's all I've ever been. Are certain aspects much easier being a straight white male? Yes. Is every individual completely different and in some cases may face worse treatment despite certain preferred qualities previously given? Also entirely true.

I agree being a straight white male gives you a leg up out of the gate but it doesn't mean life is going to be easy and that is changing to be the case more and more every day, which in my opinion is a good thing. It is really frustrating when you are going through something challenging and someone says something like "well at least you're white", as if your problem can't be all that bad, not that it is usually that direct.
 

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Fragmented_Faith said:
I'm sure knowing that white men "have it easy" is a great comfort to the person living from paycheck to paycheck in low income housing
Oh yeah, makes my heart all warm and tingly to know that we white people living from paycheck to paycheck have it better. No wait, I can't, I don't even get a paycheck anymore because I lost my job: for not being Canadian!*


*No it wasn't discrimination, but humorous timing for this thread. It was simply trusting that the provisional and federal governments could do something in a reasonable time frame that cost me my job. I know... I know, stupid assumption to make and now I am paying for it.
 

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This is part of what bothers me. Everyone has had problems some point in their life. Maybe some are not as dramatic or overwhelming as some, but they have. I hate when ANY race plays a victim. Just like when any sex plays victim. EVERYONE has problems. White people have problems, same as black people. I have had a shitload of misfortune. So has millions of other people. What makes someone else more entitled?
 

Troublesome Lagomorph

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Okay, OP. Name how many financial aid programs there are for white, straight males?
How about other aid systems?
Not many, huh?
You see, because white straight males have historically had an advantage doesn't mean they still do, and because other groups now have those advantages doesn't mean society is fair.
 

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KoSTHB said:
a question here for people on Escapist that i honestly don't understand and have been noticing it more recently. In many a topic dealing with racism, discrimination some unfairness in life, why in most cases do the white straight male tries to victimize himself using only experiences in which people of other races and gender have done the proclaimed wrong.I'm not here to say that white males can't be discriminated against but i have notice that especially on the internet white males end up calling on the Race Card. i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.

Not really... In Australia being a white male... we are the minority...

and in a lot of peoples defense... the race card is because other ethnicities do not obey basic social etiquette.

I personally think racism is disgusting; but I would never go to a foreign country and treat their customs like they treat ours.

I know a lot of them have overcome hard ship and whatever, but there is no reason for them to block walk ways whilst doing absolutely nothing of worth, bring leaky containers on to trains and when spilt on someone ... refuse to help clean the person, or the seat so someone else can sit down, not learn our language or at least a few words, get our holidays deemed offensive in schools... (if you don't like it... go back to your own shit hole)and just such a large gamut of rude, ignorant behaviors ...

It is nothing less than disgusting and if white people did that in their country we would be subject to punishment of full severity ....

I think the fact that they do not respect us enough to obey our customs or at least not behave like an animals (spitting on the public transport...) means we should be very much able to play the race card... people like me have hard time finding work because I am of no "minority ethnicity ..." yet people who can't speak English get my university education required jobs and with no quals; just because that foreigner can sue them for discrimination if my hard working arse gets the job.

I mean no disrespect to non Caucasians.... just stating situations I go through every day and have never seen white people on the causing trouble side....
 

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Troublesome Lagomorph said:
Okay, OP. Name how many financial aid programs there are for white, straight males?
How about other aid systems?
Not many, huh?
You see, because white straight males have historically had an advantage doesn't mean they still do, and because other groups now have those advantages doesn't mean society is fair.
Actually there are thousands, most of which you have a statistically much greater chance of getting if you are white. Free Masons, Rotary Club, FOE and those are just off the top of my head.
 

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As a white male who lives in the United States of America, I have only this to say. Other races and sexes face far more discrimination than people do of mine, but there are disadvantages. My first example is people thinking this is bigoted of me to say so. I am not a bigot, nor do I judge anyone differently because of their race or sex. But because I am a white male, people will assume I am a bigot because of my statement.
 

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ShadowStar42 said:
Troublesome Lagomorph said:
Okay, OP. Name how many financial aid programs there are for white, straight males?
How about other aid systems?
Not many, huh?
You see, because white straight males have historically had an advantage doesn't mean they still do, and because other groups now have those advantages doesn't mean society is fair.
Actually there are thousands, most of which you have a statistically much greater chance of getting if you are white. Free Masons, Rotary Club, FOE and those are just off the top of my head.
do the Free Masons specifically state that the aid is exclusively for straight, white, males?
 

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Wow this is an angry thread. Unfortunately I don't have much to contribute as my home is one of the least racially diverse locations in the country. I live in New Hampshire and I've met about 3 black people in my 18 years of living here. Unfortunately all three of them were jerks.

I'm pretty sure I'm a bit prejudiced now though.
 

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Grant Hobba said:
KoSTHB said:
a question here for people on Escapist that i honestly don't understand and have been noticing it more recently. In many a topic dealing with racism, discrimination some unfairness in life, why in most cases do the white straight male tries to victimize himself using only experiences in which people of other races and gender have done the proclaimed wrong.I'm not here to say that white males can't be discriminated against but i have notice that especially on the internet white males end up calling on the Race Card. i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.

Not really... In Australia being a white male... we are the minority...

and in a lot of peoples defense... the race card is because other ethnicities do not obey basic social etiquette.

I personally think racism is disgusting; but I would never go to a foreign country and treat their customs like they treat ours.

I know a lot of them have overcome hard ship and whatever, but there is no reason for them to block walk ways whilst doing absolutely nothing of worth, bring leaky containers on to trains and when spilt on someone ... refuse to help clean the person, or the seat so someone else can sit down, not learn our language or at least a few words, get our holidays deemed offensive in schools... (if you don't like it... go back to your own shit hole)and just such a large gamut of rude, ignorant behaviors ...

It is nothing less than disgusting and if white people did that in their country we would be subject to punishment of full severity ....

I think the fact that they do not respect us enough to obey our customs or at least not behave like an animals (spitting on the public transport...) means we should be very much able to play the race card... people like me have hard time finding work because I am of no "minority ethnicity ..." yet people who can't speak English get my university education required jobs and with no quals; just because that foreigner can sue them for discrimination if my hard working arse gets the job.

I mean no disrespect to non Caucasians.... just stating situations I go through every day and have never seen white people on the causing trouble side....
that is unfortunate for you but i did state In "America" where white males are the majority.
 

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believer258 said:
Because being a white straight male doesn't always give you advantages in life.

And yes, white people are discriminated against. There's this misconception that all white straight males have decent jobs and decent lives when that's just not true, and it's frustrating when you try to say something to the contrary and you get shot down like I'm going to at some point in this thread.
You beat me to it. Another factor is class. While it may be true that a straight, white, male has more advantages, a straight, white, male from a poor background is going to be discriminated against by every member of the upper classes, gender and skin-tone* be damned. Of course, class and social standing aside, anyone can be victimized and discriminated against.

*I say 'Skin-Tone' instead of 'Race' because we are all humans, skin-tone doesn't change that.
 

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KoSTHB said:
i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.
Now I don't know for certain about USA since I'm from Europe, but the following should at least be of interest for you anyhow:

* Court rulings regarding custody
* Society's view on male domestic abuse victims in straight relationships
* The affirmative actions; or rather, the complete lack of such in female dominated workplaces
* Average jailtime for males contra females, for identical crimes

Your assumption that "white middleclass male = nothing wrong in life compared to all other groups" is flawed at best.
 

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Bobic said:
Because they are talking about experiences that happened to them? And they are white straight males? They have never been discriminated against for being black gay women because they aren't black gay women.
I'd like to meet a black gay woman. That'd probably be like meeting... just about everyone else because the human experience can't be summed up by your skin color, sexual preference or gender.
 

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Because they are talking about experiences that happened to them? And they are white straight males? They have never been discriminated against for being black gay women because they aren't black gay women.
^this? I don't really understand what you're saying op. What exactly is your point of confusion.
 

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ShadowStar42 said:
The fact is, even if you were born on the same day, in the same hospital next door to a child who was a minority you have benefited from bring white. Even if we put aside all of the social advantages of being white in America (which are numerous) you had a better chance of finding a job, are more likely to get promoted, may get payed more for the same work, and enjoy a longer life expectancy.
These "facts" are an issue of causation without correlation. When examined, life expectancy in America more often than not falls into economic categories than race and simply affects more blacks because more blacks are poor. I'm not denying that there is a serious issue in America that ensures poor people go to poor schools that ultimately fail them, simply that poor does not equal black and black does not equal poor(substitute any minority for black if you will). But consider this:
Black women live 76.1 years. White men live 75.4 years. In fact, there is no group of women in the states that will be outlived by any group of men, is this sexism?
Got my numbers from here, a little out of date. http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/news/20050228/us-life-expectancy-best-ever-says-cdc
Well it could be, considering that Despite an already longer and healthier life span, Congress and the President, between 1970 and the present, have passed over 70 different medical programs, research projects and treatment initiatives, at costs exceeding $100 Billion dollars, which are specific for women and girls, yet completely and systematically rejected and ignored any calls to do the same for men. In fact even when there is overlap men are often denied treatment, despite HPV causing cancers in both men and women and at similar rates the vaccine, that has been shown to be effective, it is only administered to girls some countries allow men to pay, most will not provide this potentially life saving vaccine. Men with breast cancer have frequently been denied coverage to programs for low income and the first successful man to apply, (this guy http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44065422/#.TtL9BHpml7s) happened to BE black when white men were denied.

The same goes for the wage gap, women DO make $0.75 on the dollar BUT this is due to a number of factors For example on average full time women work fewer hours than full time men:
(from a study done by the Manhattan Institute)

The second being that men make up 97% of workplace fatalities.
once you eliminate these factors the "wage gap" is drastically reduced and sometimes goes in the other direction meaning it isn't a matter of gender so much as the hours you work and what you do.

As for better chances of finding a job, up until recently, the us government had been using ITS assets to provide minorities with jobs, consider how the recession and cuts to government services like the post office have affected the black community. It isn't that the recession is racist, its that the government has been propping them up and can't continue to do so.

You are making a lot of bold statements that you cant back up with anything substantial. Most privilege is circumstantial and effects small groups rather than anything as universal as a race or a sex and quite frankly people pushing views otherwise have been trying to do some pretty horrible things around the globe.
 

Darius Brogan

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Everybody is a victim of something.

I've been subject to racism my entire life... and I'm, quite literally, as white as a human being can get... It doesn't bother me any, because I'm well aware of the fact that ANYBODY can be subject to racism.