YouTube Bringing 60 FPS Playback Support

[Prime_Hunter_H01]

I tried the 30 vs 60 thing and I have to agree with the

Not so much night and day as 6:00pm and 6:05pm. If it didn't say which was which I don't even think I'd be able to tell. And even when I can see a difference, it's not some indisputable perception of 'better', just different, having the same sort of impact on me as a slight tweak to the brightness level or something.

To call him out on having something wrong with his eyes is basically shaming him for not "converting" but also trying to save face for being insulting.
Its probably a big difference for some people but I highly doubt its as universal as claimed. I have friend who can see the difference now that he has been able to play pc games but for him it was a learned skill and he could only see it when it was pointed out to him. But for me I have never been able to see the difference other than like Jadak says, slight like changing brightness.

The best analogy is to compare it to car culture and how some people just have a natural or learned felling for knowing a car inside and out just by driving it where as others just know, Slow, Fast, Obvious Weird noise that indicates a problem

 

[BrotherRool]

People keep linking the same 60vs30 FPS site to me for ages now and I've watched it again and again and I still can't see a difference worth caring a damn about. When people have to shove your face to the screen and say 'look at these two things side by side' ... then maybe it just isn't important enough to me.

You can pretend I'm broken and 'ridiculous' all you want, but then you're already caring more than I do

 

[somonels]

The fact that YouTube didn't support it for so long was the stupidest thing ever really. For me though, I'm still not rendering videos past 30 FPS because it'd just take longer to put them out really.

Because the increased bandwidth requirements would not have increased the ad-viewing market. It still won't. 60fps cameras are still out of the norm ant the content that would benefit from this was very limited.

 

[Ipsen]

People keep linking the same 60vs30 FPS site to me for ages now and I've watched it again and again and I still can't see a difference worth caring a damn about. When people have to shove your face to the screen and say 'look at these two things side by side' ... then maybe it just isn't important enough to me.

You can pretend I'm broken and 'ridiculous' all you want, but then you're already caring more than I do

Depends on what you play. The more complex the action, the more frames you'd want. I'm more likely to need the additional frames in say, a fighting game than perhaps a driving game or platformer.

But overall, I'd take a gander to say most are accustom to and comfortable with ~30FPS because movies are run typically in 24FPS. With that, 30FPS in a photorealistic game still carries a 'cinematic' look.

In any case, I think people just want tech to make 60FPS a standard. All the wishy-washy decisions for lower or higher frame rates is just confusing people.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Wonderful. Particularly, as you said, for game footage especially action games which look absolutely dreadful at 30fps. About damn time.

Also the "tip jar" idea is absolutely fantastic. Glad to see they're integrating this directly into the site.

 

[BrotherRool]

Depends on what you play. The more complex the action, the more frames you'd want. I'm more likely to need the additional frames in say, a fighting game than perhaps a driving game or platformer.

But overall, I'd take a gander to say most are accustom to and comfortable with ~30FPS because movies are run typically in 24FPS. With that, 30FPS in a photorealistic game still carries a 'cinematic' look.

In any case, I think people just want tech to make 60FPS a standard. All the wishy-washy decisions for lower or higher frame rates is just confusing people.

I mean there's definitely no harm in 60FPS becoming the standard, especially since it is important to some people. It's just not something that gets me excited personally. Maybe part of that is because I play very few reflex intensive games and when playing on a none console I never get close to the highest settings anyway

 

[DSK-]

I record and upload videos at 90 FPS for smoothness sake. To be perfectly honest, I hope this improves the ability of the YouTube re-encoding process because I absolutely fucking HATE the fact that regardless of what settings I use to upload videos they still end up looking like shit.

Tip-jar sounds good though.

Also, the difference between 30, 60 and 90 FPS is night and day.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

Fucking finally, YouTube is changing something worth changing. It really needed to be done, especially with the rise of Twitch lately. Competition breeds progress as they say.

24fps is a ridiculous frame rate to be watching video games in, and there is no denying that gaming videos have become prevalent enough to justify improving them. The most subscribed to channel is a gaming one.

 

[Sight Unseen]

great, more stuff to slow down my already struggling internet connection, with stuff that I personally can't see the difference in even if for some people its the bee's knees....wooo..yay...and stuff..........geeze its too late for me to be commenting, but seriously....good I guess...

Then... don't watch in 60fps? I'm sure this will be some kind of togglable option like resolution already is.

 

[Six Ways]

"While 24 FPS is perfectly fine for watching movies and TV content"
No its not. its the bare minimum at which rate we dont go insane over the low framerate. its not "perfectly fine", its "the producers cannot be arsed to make it better".

24 fps is used for many reasons other than laziness when it comes to film and TV. Higher frame rate for these media is not automatically 'better'.

 

[Roxor]

Why only 60fps? Why not allow any frame-rate?

 

[masticina]

My DSLR shoots 60fps 1080p. I know hardly sexy these days where 4k video is so much more shiny.

But yes why shoot in 60fps if I upload it to youtube and find it at 30fps. Right on

That and for gamers this will indeed be a delight. Mmm shooters and fighting game footage at 60fps. So many possibilities, live streams at 60fps. Joy. Ah well lets hope it is here soon shall we.

 

[Six Ways]

Why only 60fps? Why not allow any frame-rate?

Youtube already has to automatically convert each uploaded video to a surprisingly large number of codecs, formats and qualities - adding arbitrary frame-rates would make that even harder.

 

[Roxor]

Why only 60fps? Why not allow any frame-rate?

Youtube already has to automatically convert each uploaded video to a surprisingly large number of codecs, formats and qualities - adding arbitrary frame-rates would make that even harder.

Okay, so why do framerate conversion at all? Why not convert to whatever resolution and format they like, but keep the framerate at whatever the original file used?

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Well, can't speak for the guy you're quoting, but after staring at those for a while I have now confirmed that they look about the same to me.

I didn't even read the text on the page and I could immediately spot the picture on the right moving much smoother than the one on the left. The difference is like night and day. You can see it in the fire as well, the 30 FPS looks a lot choppier.

Not so much night and day as 6:00pm and 6:05pm. If it didn't say which was which I don't even think I'd be able to tell. And even when I can see a difference, it's not some indisputable perception of 'better', just different, having the same sort of impact on me as a slight tweak to the brightness level or something.

Perhaps if someone is watching a video passively without interacting with it in some way,it might be hard to understand the difference between 30 and 60fps, especially if someone doesn't tell you exactly what to look for.
But if you where playing a game,and there was some kind of a switch between 30 and 60 fps,and another person changed the setting as you played,believe me the difference would make a considerable impact.

Thing is not only the motion of moving objects appears smoother and closer to reality,but frame rate also affects how fast the game responds to your input. And that not only means that you can say the difference if you are playing a game that needs fast movements like an FPS,but also it can affect your performance as a player and 60fps can give you an advantage over another player who plays with 30fps. 60fps means that the game responds to your input more instantly and fluidly than 30fps,and that can mean the difference between getting a kill and getting killed in an fast action paced FPS,as the man who aims accurately first is the one who lives.

 

[Bvenged]

great, more stuff to slow down my already struggling internet connection, with stuff that I personally can't see the difference in even if for some people its the bee's knees....wooo..yay...and stuff..........geeze its too late for me to be commenting, but seriously....good I guess...

If you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS there may actually be something wrong with you. You should see a doctor.

Check this site out: http://30vs60.com/

Well, can't speak for the guy you're quoting, but after staring at those for a while I have now confirmed that they look about the same to me.

This is a better example of 30fps vs 60fps: http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

 

[Strazdas]

"While 24 FPS is perfectly fine for watching movies and TV content"
No its not. its the bare minimum at which rate we dont go insane over the low framerate. its not "perfectly fine", its "the producers cannot be arsed to make it better".

24 fps is used for many reasons other than laziness when it comes to film and TV. Higher frame rate for these media is not automatically 'better'.

It is if done properly. I do know that most props are built to be just barely not noticable due to motion blur, which is why they had to rebuild props after first Hobbit. but that is cutting corners in prop making and not much else. 24 was determined as the lowest framerate where humans dont proclaim it to be a slideshow instead of motion, but to say that its perfectly fine is like saying that its perfectly fine to live on just water and bread becuase apperently you can survive with that.

 

[Roxas1359]

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Sorry for the late reply. Anyway, to answer your question, Game Anyone does support 60 FPS on videos, as I've been looking at Kurant's PC playthroughs for shooters (used his TitanFall walkthrough for reference) and they are in 60 FPS. I could be wrong though, since I'm not always the best person when it comes to judging. The only two real main obstacles I ever see is the video time limit, and the file size limit. Time limit for upload isn't too bad though, since generally you start off with like 20 minutes, and leveling up helps you level up. File size also isn't a problem as long as you are uploading something like a raw .AVI or something. File size limit on Game Anyone is between 3 to 4 GB, anything higher won't be uploaded. YouTube also has a size limit, but it's a lot more lenient since YouTube has Google's backing. If you're in good standing with YouTube, then you can upload files up to 20 GB in size. Now why anyone would ever be dumb enough to do that is beyond me, since that upload and processing time would take hours if not days. Time limit on YouTube is also unlimited as long as you are in good standing, but if you aren't then your time limit for videos is only 15 minutes, and the file size is reduced to 2 GB for a video size.

 

[Slegiar Dryke]

If you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS there may actually be something wrong with you. You should see a doctor.
Check this site out: http://30vs60.com/

Not so much night and day as 6:00pm and 6:05pm. If it didn't say which was which I don't even think I'd be able to tell. And even when I can see a difference, it's not some indisputable perception of 'better', just different, having the same sort of impact on me as a slight tweak to the brightness level or something.

this about sums it up for me too.

I keep thinking people are joking or that it is some new kind of online wind-up when people go "Hurr hurr no difference between 30 and 60FPS" but i turns out some people are serious 0_o.

half of it for me is I genuinely don't care. I've always gone by the Nintendo measurement of "Gameplay first" over graphical ability or speed. And some will jump on me and say "HUUAAAHH, but the Speed is part of that EXPERIENCE"....not if it doesn't make the game any VISIBLY better(see below). so that's one mark. the other half could be partly having bad eyes (ironically partly from looking at a computer screen most of my life), and partly being more used to adapting between different speeds, since I play a wide swath of older games, and not many flashy new gen stuff. and while I may notice some fps differences here and there on what ones I do play, it really is NOT "visibly night and day" as everyone keeps spouting -_-

also I tried that 30v60 site.....and as some others have said...yeah, they look roughly the same. and I'm not going to go to a doctor for bad eyes until it affects my everyday life.......which it doesn't. I already wear glasses to help that.

 

[Grimh]

That's great news. Took them long enough.

Check this site out: http://30vs60.com/

I think this site: http://30vs60fps.com does a good job at showing the difference by having them switch instead of being side by side.

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At the risk of sending you to the same site yet again have you tried the one I linked above? Maybe it'll work better.
As I said switching in real time might make it easier to see the difference rather than a side by side comparison.