YouTube Is Google's Moneypit

[300lb. Samoan]

the Dynamic IP thing was just a thing us hardcore hackers (with big manly pecs) could relate to what with our intellect (big manly brains).

But while I come accross as a run of the mill douchebag, I'm a shit hot accountant, and I worked with PRS when it was the British Phonographics Society, the dirtiest players in town.

Wow. You sure got the part about being a DOUCHEBAG down to a tee. Who asked you for the big hotshot lecture? I KNOW what a dynamic IP is, don't talk to me like I'm a child. Take your 'big manly pecs' and 'big manly brain' and all that other e-penis bullshit and cram it.

Also, I understand how music distribution works, I was commenting on the fact that by and large the music industry is in a stand still right now (records aren't selling for shit - not one record in the US has been certified platinum in 2009) and, rather than try to recoup money on streaming media, why not provide the promotional material free of charge and focus on increasing profit from downloads.

 

[capnjack]

Seriously, the sooner the music industry dies a horrible death, the better. Because of those money-hungry fucks, the only place I can get guitar tablature now is Ultimate-Guitar. Those bastards actually made it illegal to look up tab on the web. I used to be able to look up a song and have the tab within two minutes. Now the internet's like a desolate wasteland, in that regard at least.

Slightly tangential, I know, but the music industry seems intent on driving me and countless other actual musicians beyond the point of ultimate rage. And the ironic thing is, they always claim to be doing it for the artists and musicians who record for them. Lying, money hungry bastards!

You're talking about the recording industry, not the music industry, and you're right. The recording industry needs to die, or at least change into something different. Considering how much technology is changed, many artists don't need a middleman anymore, and those that do certainly don't need one that takes a HUGE amount of profit. Musicians lose far more money to the Recording Industry than they will EVER lose piracy.

The current business model is just not compatible with our technology anymore. No one wants to pay $1.29 for music when you can get better quality rips online FOR FREE. They have to find a way to monetize things better, because they're fighting a losing battle and they can't stick to old business strategies. They can't just treat their customers like criminals and sue everyone to oblivion.

And some of these companies are completely retarded. Pulling videos/songs off YouTube is nothing short of idiotic. YouTube is like the new radio - it PROMOTES your content, it doesn't take away sales. Google shouldn't have to be a dime. These record labels are over-estimating the value of their content; taking their videos/songs off YouTube hurts them more than it hurts YouTube.

 

[randommaster]

Am I the only one who has never actually seen the point of Youtube?

In fact Ive never actually visited the site and never even watched a video from the site.

The point is to have a place where anybody can post videos of (almost) anything, much to the detriment of society.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

YouTube isn't supposed to make money. Ignorant pricks.

 

[Nurb]

The Youtube creator is a genius. You used to be able to watch damn near anything on the site until it got popular and sued to remove anything that wasn't user created, so the guy saw it reached it's peak and sold it to Google for a mint and they're the ones losing cash now.

Youtube sucks now anyway, nothing but whiney vlogs, fight videos, and dumb pets. And more than half the links to youtube vids now are:

VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED
VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED
VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

A majority of the general videos are crap.

You can find an occasional gem, but I mostly look at stand-up acts of actual working comedians, like Craig Shoemaker's "The Lovemaster" bit, because they've got to be funnier than the 12 year old boy talking to his webcam.

I'd be losing money too, if I had a site full of 98% shit.

That said, 2% of a couple billion videos is quite a bit of good stuff.

98% of everything is crap.

Sturgeon's law - just read the first bit. [http://www.jessesword.com/sf/view/328]

Definition a humorous aphorism which maintains that most of any body of published material, knowledge, etc., or (more generally) of everything is worthless: based on a statement by Sturgeon, usually later cited as '90 per cent of everything is crap'

 

[SmugFrog]

Oh, you get bonus points for that picture.

 

[Jabbawocky]

Pah! Youtube became crap once google took over.

 

[AnteGravity]

I love how the author of the article takes a pot shot at the US at the end for no reason when the topic is about google inc and how it is handling the youtube brand.

Obviously the China brand of youtube is owned and operated by hardcore communists that broke free of their capitalist masters at google to show how their economic principals are superior at making profit.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I love how the author of the article takes a pot shot at the US at the end for no reason when the topic is about google inc and how it is handling the youtube brand.

Obviously the China brand of youtube is owned and operated by hardcore communists that broke free of their capitalist masters at google to show how their economic principals are superior at making profit.

Obviously. Hardcore communists. Mmmmmm.

 

[DigitalSushi]

the Dynamic IP thing was just a thing us hardcore hackers (with big manly pecs) could relate to what with our intellect (big manly brains).

But while I come accross as a run of the mill douchebag, I'm a shit hot accountant, and I worked with PRS when it was the British Phonographics Society, the dirtiest players in town.

Wow. You sure got the part about being a DOUCHEBAG down to a tee. Who asked you for the big hotshot lecture? I KNOW what a dynamic IP is, don't talk to me like I'm a child. Take your 'big manly pecs' and 'big manly brain' and all that other e-penis bullshit and cram it.

Also, I understand how music distribution works, I was commenting on the fact that by and large the music industry is in a stand still right now (records aren't selling for shit - not one record in the US has been certified platinum in 2009) and, rather than try to recoup money on streaming media, why not provide the promotional material free of charge and focus on increasing profit from downloads.

dude, chillax, I was having shits and giggles. But if you feel I spoke to you like a child then so be it.

I think the business model they are using for the internet is antiquated, because the suits such as me see it hurt into profits they lose their minds, if a new model was bought in they would "peace out rabbit".

 

[Tech Team FTW!]

Am I the only one who has never actually seen the point of Youtube?

In fact Ive never actually visited the site and never even watched a video from the site.

Yahtzee used to be a no name reviewer on youtube, in fact some of his early work is still on there.
Also

China is hardly a communist economy.

Ask any Chinese person and they will call it "Chinese Democracy"... Whatever happened to Mao and his Little Red Book? whatever happened to scapegoating landlords to make it seem like you are helping the downtrodden?

 

[300lb. Samoan]

dude, chillax, I was having shits and giggles. But if you feel I spoke to you like a child then so be it.

OK then, your shits and giggles just seem very stuck-up to me - I don't respond well when someone claiming to be not just an accountant but also a HOT SHOT starts telling me things about the record distribution model from 1985 as if it's somehow relevant today. Nevertheless, I'll take it on good faith that you're not being antagonistic.

I think the business model they are using for the internet is antiquated, because [when] the suits such as me see it hurt into profits [we] lose [our] minds, if a new model was bought [into] they would "peace out, rabbit!" [how i read it - confused the hell out of me at first]

See, I don't think it's the internet's fault that profits are hurting in the music industry. If there was a more aggressive effort to develop a new model for internet distribution and recuperation that wasn't tied down to the traditions of Long-Play albums and Physical Goods, you wouldn't have the problems that are occurring right now.

Ever since the mid-80's, fans have had to deal with the reality that most albums contain lots of FILLER. The advent of Napster and P2P networks meant that fans could filter their music experience to only what they most desired, and that evolved into the singles/MP3 distribution system we have today, which is what customers really want. You can't treat streaming media as target product for the very reason you stated: dynamic IPs (of the incidental AND purposeful varieties) make it impossible for precision tracking of stream-utilization, so you have to focus on the store-front. YouTube videos are naturally hampered in their quality anyway, and music videos are best utilized as promotional content to motivate the sale of downloads (think SoljaBoy... if you can stand it... ew), so I think the restriction and monefying of this content is ridiculous. Everyone everywhere should have access to music videos on youtube!

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

It figures that youtube is a gushing infected wound...

 

[DigitalSushi]

dude, chillax, I was having shits and giggles. But if you feel I spoke to you like a child then so be it.

OK then, your shits and giggles just seem very stuck-up to me - I don't respond well when someone claiming to be not just an accountant but also a HOT SHOT starts telling me things about the record distribution model from 1985 as if it's somehow relevant today. Nevertheless, I'll take it on good faith that you're not being antagonistic.

I think the business model they are using for the internet is antiquated, because [when] the suits such as me see it hurt into profits [we] lose [our] minds, if a new model was bought [into] they would "peace out, rabbit!" [how i read it - confused the hell out of me at first]

See, I don't think it's the internet's fault that profits are hurting in the music industry. If there was a more aggressive effort to develop a new model for internet distribution and recuperation that wasn't tied down to the traditions of Long-Play albums and Physical Goods, you wouldn't have the problems that are occurring right now.

Ever since the mid-80's, fans have had to deal with the reality that most albums contain lots of FILLER. The advent of Napster and P2P networks meant that fans could filter their music experience to only what they most desired, and that evolved into the singles/MP3 distribution system we have today, which is what customers really want. You can't treat streaming media as target product for the very reason you stated: dynamic IPs (of the incidental AND purposeful varieties) make it impossible for precision tracking of stream-utilization, so you have to focus on the store-front. YouTube videos are naturally hampered in their quality anyway, and music videos are best utilized as promotional content to motivate the sale of downloads (think SoljaBoy... if you can stand it... ew), so I think the restriction and monefying of this content is ridiculous. Everyone everywhere should have access to music videos on youtube!

Thats the point, its an antiquated model!.

I completly forgot about the filler, your bang on the money with your comment, I'm a completist so I'm the sort of person thats wants all the filler.

Were going from talking about monies owed to music companies to the phsycological reason why people pirate, or buy singles off iTunes, have you noticed that rap fans are the most likely to pirate poor quality vids and tunes from the net? and Techno fans dont. Because tech fans are audiophiles and want to best quality version of their tracks, while rap is all about the next fad regardless of quality.

Look at Moby, rich git.

 

[300lb. Samoan]

Thats the point, its an antiquated model!.

I completly forgot about the filler, your bang on the money with your comment, I'm a completist so I'm the sort of person thats wants all the filler.

Were going from talking about monies owed to music companies to the phsycological reason why people pirate, or buy singles off iTunes, have you noticed that rap fans are the most likely to pirate poor quality vids and tunes from the net? and Techno fans dont. Because tech fans are audiophiles and want to best quality version of their tracks, while rap is all about the next fad regardless of quality.

Look at Moby, rich git.

Moby presaged the most prevalent trend in the music industry today - the commercial tie-in. He made most of that filthy lucre by licensing his music rather than album sales. That antiquated royalty system has done him very well.

Now answer me this: how come rap artists, who make such low-fidelity recordings and are so widely pirated, are such great successes? And if music lovers demand a higher level of fidelity from their recordings, why is it so difficult to make the case that youtube replays aren't worth monetizing?

Also, am I right in assuming that the PRS and GEMA are similar in function to ASCAP and BMI? Or would they be more like the RIAA?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Also, am I right in assuming that the PRS and GEMA are similar in function to ASCAP and BMI? Or would they be more like the RIAA?

More RIAA than ASCAP. It's the Music Industries 'Collection Men'.

 

[LeonLethality]

well it was googles decision to buy out youtube, you get what you paid for ^^