Zero Punctuation: Axiom Verge & Stealth Inc 2

Thanatos2k

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Hey, if someone wants to make a game exactly like Super Metroid, I'm down with that.

The people who actually own Metroid sure as hell aren't doing it.
 

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In The Game of Clones, you either solve puzzles or you die...

Other than that, considering Super Metroid's origins, playing Axiom Verge on the PS4 seems more ironic than obscene to me...
 

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I don't think it is an adblock problem, but an firefox and html5 problem.

It works on chrome, but it doesn't on firefox.
 

Sledgimus

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Well, I'm getting the sound but no video. Maybe I'll just wait until this goes up on Youtube.
 

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I've tried with disabled adblock as well as a separate browser. Doesn't work in either. I think the problem is on their end.
 

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yourbeliefs said:
I've tried with disabled adblock as well as a separate browser. Doesn't work in either. I think the problem is on their end.
See, me too. No idea what's wrong, but it has to be on their end.
 

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Yeah, had issues playing the video in chrome, but it works fine in *sigh* IE.
... I don't even know if I still have IE on this machine. That's like telling me that it's only compatible with a gramophone.
 

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It worked fine on Chrome for me. Hmmm.

That being said, the review schedules are pretty barren at the moment aren't they?
 

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No, see, the "-vania" part of "metroidvania" is the bit where they communicate the story in the actual game rather than relying on the player to possess information scattered about in a variety of manuals, magazine articles, and comic books.
 

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Sigmund Av Volsung said:
Silentpony said:
Anyone else having loading problems? Its like they made the page, but forgot to actually load up a video.
Ditto. Can confirm that it's not working for me either :/
That, plus the *entire* site seemed offline for many hours earlier today (probably during US night time)...
 

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Kenjitsuka said:
Sigmund Av Volsung said:
Silentpony said:
Anyone else having loading problems? Its like they made the page, but forgot to actually load up a video.
Ditto. Can confirm that it's not working for me either :/
That, plus the *entire* site seemed offline for many hours earlier today (probably during US night time)...
Oh yeah, that's true(was offline a few hours back iirc).

Well, the video works now after I disabled a certain extension[footnote]Crucify me if you will, but I choose to activate it for my own reasons[/footnote]
 

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How come the video is now larger than my screen?

If you give us the option to watch in a lower quality stream, shouldn't the option take me to that lower quality page? Why does repeated clicking on the same link take me to the same "high quality feed" page?

I get that you think the audience has adapted to high quality because they're the one who've been bitching the loudest about hi def and aspect ratios and this of that nature, but not everyone thinks all this extra space to the left and to the right of the active window need to be filled.
 

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A new video player, AND a new mobile version? Huh.

EDIT: I was going to whine about how Yahtzee reviewed some indie games I will never play, but then I realized that there are no other games besides MKX. Maybe the next ZP?
 

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love the mobile player thats now available but the new online player is a wonderful basket display of fruit covered in spunk.
also axiom verge just made me want to play super metrioid.
 

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It didn't work with Firefox, but Chrome did the trick. Thanks Chrome, I'm glad you sneaked onto my HDD when installing some other software. You just go back to waiting patiently in your corner for the next time a web-page doesn't get along with Firefox, because god knows it won't be IE I call upon.
 

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Finally I can watch Zero Punctuation in full screen without it looking blurry as fuck, which may be ironic given the type of game Axiom Verge is.

I feel like Limbo is going to remain the only indie game on my Xbox One for a while, and I only got Limbo 'cos early adopter means it was a freebie (though it is really good).
 

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If you're having issues with the player that you're unable to resolve yourself please refer to the video help page [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/help]. If the list doesn't work at the bottom there's a link to the contact forum where we can help address your issues personally.

Thanks for the support.

-Mud
 

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Holy big screen Batman! (so wait what does the subscriber get now since I thought they get big screen? Still HD quality?)

OT- I probably give it a pass on Axion given to my current list of games to buy on Steam.

Also why the "A in Axion look different (one side is shorter than the other)? Is it cos of the font style?
 

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ThyNameIsMud said:
If you're having issues with the player that you're unable to resolve yourself please refer to the video help page [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/help]. If the list doesn't work at the bottom there's a link to the contact forum where we can help address your issues personally.
Or you could just not break software that was working fine previously.
 

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Grumman said:
ThyNameIsMud said:
If you're having issues with the player that you're unable to resolve yourself please refer to the video help page [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/help]. If the list doesn't work at the bottom there's a link to the contact forum where we can help address your issues personally.
Or you could just not break software that was working fine previously.
The old software repeatedly broke for me. The ads in particular would bork the player frequently. I have an incredible hatred for the Dragon Age Inquisition ads in particular since I would have to constantly re-load the page to get a different ad to then watch the video.
 

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Grumman said:
Or you could just not break software that was working fine previously.
Hey this is new software. Totes different.

But if you're having issues with the player, the help page should help [/videos/help]
 

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Spoiler Warning: it is less annoying to disable AdBlock before watching a video than having it disabled on your site all the time.
 

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Opera isn't showing it either. But I tried with Vivaldi and it worked.
Don't know the reason...

(now you have data from some "exotic" browsers :p)
 

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Odd I am not having any issues and my adblock is on... Still I am a member of the publisher club so that could be the reason.
 

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Running firefox 37.0.1, flashblock off, escapist whitelisted for adblock (which is weird since I don't get ads anyway due to Pub Club, but it seemed like a nice gesture). Video in High Quality works perfectly fine for me. Maybe try playing with your add-ons if you're having trouble getting it to load.
 

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Ok, OK, I confess! I watched today's video in IE 11! I throw myself upon thy mercies! All I had to do was sit through an Old Spice ad that may have driven me a little more insane.
But back OT, today's video was funny and I will lament the passage of XBOX LIVE Double Weekend special episodes, so now Yahtzee's finding indie games where ever he can. I like the return of "X game's wearing the skin of Y" jokes, and I am curious about that crack about Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee. Could be a future retro review.
Also, that Papal Staff is the one from Assassin's Creed II, with an Apple in it.
 

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Tried to load it in IE 11 & Firefox (I don't have adblock installed), I tired a VBOX virtual computer running Windows 7, Vanilla IE 9, I even tried a online webproxy to load the page and in no instance did the video load something seemed to stop or not able to load beonde the point where it is suppose to load the videoplayer script part...

only thing I could get from my error log was:

Quote " XMLHttpRequest: Network Error 0x2f09, Could not complete the operation due to error 00002f09 "
 

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Well, it worked for my by disabling the Program That Shall Not Be Named.
New player looks fancy, even if it gets a tendency to run like arse for awhile after loading.

OT:
Fun episode, had me in stitches a few times.
 

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With escapist killing off top 5 with lisa foiles and unskippable I was only coming here for zero punctuation... but now I cant even watch that thanks to their new player. I have firefox and adblock and NO Im not disabling adblock for you Yahtzee sorry.
Just wait a week and it'll be up on the Escapist youtube page. That way you won't have to worry about getting viruses due to poorly curated ads (which is just a thing, not that I'm saying it's an Escapist thing).
 

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Well somebody should at least talk about the games so... I watched the teaser for Axiom Verge and on the one hand, looks fun and I want to play it. On the other, it's pretty shameless in its Metroid-ness. Yahtzee is spot on. Even the rythm track of the teaser is close enough to the Super Metroid theme to land Vanilla Ice in heap of trouble again, or even content id'ed by Nintendo. Seriously watch the teaser, the music at least for the first few measures is hrmmmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U04mprotZU

And I was immediately turned off by the, "Let's define the word 'Axiom' in the context of our game with dramatic dictionary title cards for the audience because we've contrived our own meaning..." bit.

I guess there is something to be said for wearing the influence on the sleeve, but with all the effort put into what looks like solid design I would think the devs would want to set themselves apart a bit more.

Despite all that, it still looks fun and I still want to play it. So - kudos, I guess?
 

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WTF new video player, much bigger and doesn't work. Must be better than the old stupid pop up player when they fix it though.
 

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Video does not play in Firefox 37.0.1, no blocking software installed.
 

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Yeah, sorry, but if you stop working for me even when I completely allow all scripts and don't block adds, even when I upgrade to the newest version of Firefox, I think I'll probably just sit out the week long wait and watch it on the youtube channel.
 

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ah4o0o said:
I don't think it is an adblock problem, but an firefox and html5 problem.

It works on chrome, but it doesn't on firefox.
From the FAQ page

"Do you have an HTML5 video player?
Yes, we do support HTML5 video, but because our videos are ad-supported and HTML5 video is not currently able to run the video ads we use, only members of the Publisher's Club are able to use the HTML5 player. You can read more about it here."
so basically fuck Firefox users.
And because it's flash ads, fuck apple mobile devices
 

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That's weird.

I'm on firefox and it worked perfectly fine.

As for the episode, I'm pretty meh about those two games. Never even heard of them before now.

I guess axiom verge is taking advantage of that big metroid shaped hole in our hearts.
 

Nazulu

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Yeah, this isn't working for me, and I never had an any ad block software, mainly to avoid this shit. I followed most of your instructions, have the latest version of Firefox, but I'm not deleting my cookies.

Sorry to say but Youtube is more reliable now.
 

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Ahh, Escapist. People started turning the engines of destruction known as AdBlocker (and its friends) against you BECAUSE of your obtrusive, obnoxious, and quality-destroying ads. Whenever I watched a video on this site, there was 50/50 chance that after the Ad played, the actual video itself would never load. And don't even get me started on the dreaded double-ads: Ads that would play back-to-back (sometimes even back-to-back-to-back) before you got that horrible 50/50 chance of the video gracing you with its presence.

And this isn't even including your audio ads that would start playing in random corners of the site, in the middle of a video, while you were reading a column. Those were real fun too.

So the next logical step? The video-player equivalent of DRM. Punish your subscribers. Punish random viewers and innocents. All in a misguided attempt to get back at a certain viewership who will undoubtedly circumvent your new video player by the end of the week.



I don't know. I find it odd that DRM has only ever harmed the gaming industry by breeding bad will among good customers by punishing them in an failed attempt to attack us dirty pirates; and a gaming website who supposedly is knowledgeable about these topics jumps headfirst into the same trap.
 

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'Disable third party plugins' = 'Our business model is unsustainable, please help us slowly limp into oblivion'

If every random webcomic creator can earn a living wage via Patreon, I'm sure Yahtzee could manage it. Imagine content creators getting paid by the people who consume their content! Feels a lot better than the status quo: Advertiser pays site administrators X, site administrators pay content creators (X*.01). Content consumers don't like looking at ads, so site administrators submit an appeal to a moral imperative to support content creators instead of just making the ads less obtrusive - after all, that might mean they'd end up paying content creators (X*.03)! Unthinkable!
 

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Nice, video only works without Adblock enabled... nah, that's OK. I'll just forego anymore of these I guess. Sorry Escapist, the ads you guys use are fuckin' ridiculous. Covers half the screen with ads then wonders why people use Ad Block.
 

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I am running on chrome and I was able to watch the video after white-listing the site on ghostery and telling adblock to not run on that page. I have since un-whitelisted this site on ghostery and have decided that a site which can so epicly screw up HTML5 support is no longer worth the patronage for video watching. The only reason I am still here is the various comics which actually work no questions asked with the various extensions I am using. Until such time as the player is fixed or switched to an embedded youtube player (Seriously, you HAVE an amazing player ready to use right now and you actively refuse to take advantage of it!) then I will just wait until content is on the youtube channel before I actually watch it.
 

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Well, Escapist, you've finally done it. After the content creators exodus, the ad block war, the parting of ways with Susan Arendt, now Zero Punctuation won't play on any of my browsers. And you know... I don't even care that much.

So long, and thanks for all the fish
So sad that it should come to this
 

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Okay, i'm done with this site. I wait for the video to appear on youtube.
 

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Would've thought Yahtzee would be doing Mortal Kombat X. I know he hates fighting games, but it beats scrounging for XBLA leftovers, and at least there's a story mode.
 

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I'm not going to change my settings to make videos on one website work, so I guess that's that for me.
 

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Had to pause Extension That Must Not Be Named and then had to refresh the page three times to get the video to load.
You're welcome.
ZP and the freaking forum games section are the only things keeping me on this site.
You've closed off ZP unless I put a burden on myself and having to load your shitty ads (And my internet isn't that great, I spent more time loading ads than I did the rest of the page, sometimes), and I can get my fix of forum games elsewhere.
 

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Yep with Jim Sterling gone, and now this, it's becoming pretty hard to motivate myself to coming here at all. After disabling both Adblock+ and Ghostery I finally managed to get to this video to play on Chrome. Will be watching Yahtzee on YouTube from now on. Adiós.
 

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Looks like this video won't play, even with 'it who must not be named' turned off.

Heck, some posts I can't even READ in this thread.
They're just a white, blank, space.

o_O
 

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I went through the help list, and it's still not working. I don't have anything that would cause problems so this isn't my fault. Looking at other people's responses, I think this is on your end Escapist not mine. Escapist, you should probably examine your player and figure out why it's broken before the new shows start rolling out this week or people probably aren't going to bother to try them next week.
 

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Goodnight and good-bye Escapist, your terribly annoying ads shan't be missed but will forever remain in my memory as the single reason I considered installing an Adblocker. This is just the final sign that I need to leave this sinking ship of outdated business models and suspect HR. I'm sure my once weekly visit won't be missed anyway. Feel free to go ahead and ban me, I won't even notice since your off my bookmarks and I don't oft tread down roads not marked. Peace and thanks for constantly getting into scraps with the markers of videos I actually enjoy.

Yours forever;
Some Damn Guy

PS: Its totally you not me in this break up honey, you got ugly fast. I'll mail you your cat.
 

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Evonisia said:
Finally I can watch Zero Punctuation in full screen without it looking blurry as fuck, which may be ironic given the type of game Axiom Verge is.
I didn't have an option for full screen, just an enlarged version that removed my scrollbar. The new video player is worse than the old one, but they will be keeping it since it is incompatible with adblock.
 

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ThyNameIsMud said:
If you're having issues with the player that you're unable to resolve yourself please refer to the video help page [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/help]. If the list doesn't work at the bottom there's a link to the contact forum where we can help address your issues personally.

Thanks for the support.

-Mud
I'm sorry, but where's my lower quality stream option? It was there this morning, but it disappeared when I checked this afternoon. Call me a luddite if you must, but I don't like it when my videos take up the entire screen.
 

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Well, it worked for my by disabling the Program That Shall Not Be Named.
New player looks fancy, even if it gets a tendency to run like arse for awhile after loading.
Thy shall not pass unless thou has permission from liverail.com. If your wisdom is great, then one shall unlock the secrets.
direkiller said:
And because it's flash ads, fuck apple mobile devices
Quite the contrary, Apple fucked themselves over for not allowing flash.
 

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This is definitely goodbye escapist. I understand that you need ad revenue but when my ghostery blocks 80+ things on your site, when no other site even comes close to that, I will not turn it off. I honestly wouldn't use adblock on your site if you didn't have ads that play on the page after I watch an ad before the video. It's especially annoying when the majority of your video ads cannot be muted. I hope Yahtzee does what Jim did and leaves you to start a patreon. Love his work, hate what you've turned this site into. You killed Extra Credits, you killed Jim Sterling, you killed MovieBob, and now you are killing every single video on your site.
 

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The video loaded perfectly fine for me, but then again, I use Chrome, I have Ad-block disabled (for this site) and the most maligned ads mostly never work for me (as in, these ads never show in my region), so it's pretty much the same as having Ad-block enabled, so *shrugs*.

It's not the end of the world people, you can be such insufferable drama queens sometimes... >.>'
 

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Anyone else having loading problems? Its like they made the page, but forgot to actually load up a video.
yeah. reloaded coulpe times, seems to have fixed the problem. it looks like third party quantserve.com which is ad related agency is timeouting and bringing the entire thing down.

on the other hand at least quality improved.
 

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So, we've been wanting to ditch Flash for an HTML5 player for years now. At first, they didn't support ad networks [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage] in any reasonable way, and later our two [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/ThyNameIsMud] programmers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/paulgruberman] have had to develop a mobile site around other non-Escapist projects that help pay to keep the wheels [http://i.imgur.com/q2qumyP.jpg] turning. Luckily, Google forced the hand of our divine Granter-of-Funds, which allowed us to prioritize mobile development.

We don't go out of our way to detect things that disable ads, but we also don't make bypassing the things that literally pay for our food, rent, and insurance a priority. The fact that the new HTML5 player breaks when components of its playlist are disabled was a bit of a happy coincidence from a development effort perspective.

It makes me a bit sad to see all the anger, when everyone I've worked with [http://i.imgur.com/RwC1qks.png] here (for over [http://i.imgur.com/AHWpNG4.jpg] a decade [http://i.imgur.com/JKpUSp2.png] now!) loves playing [http://i.imgur.com/MsmtzmG.png] and talking [http://i.imgur.com/NeUYK4J.png] about games, and are doing our best to devote all our working energy [http://i.imgur.com/HOAGVpA.png] towards those goals (rather than much more soul-draining pursuits). We put up all the content we can find about the things [http://i.imgur.com/HSurtLm.jpg] we love [http://i.imgur.com/9JwDWI8.jpg], and do our best to make sure that content will be here tomorrow. If you want to customize what loads on your browser, we aren't demanding that you change your ways, but it's a bit insulting to come on our forums and tell us how you despise us personally for trying to ensure the people paying for our content get enough of a return to keep making more content. We want you to see the videos, which a significant part of why we upload to Youtube (which has more eyes, but pays significantly less per viewer). Youtube provided stopgap mobile support, while also introducing more people to our existing content.

If you're having an issue with the video player, we are actively working on addressing any reported difficulties. Please, if you are unable to view a video, follow the instructions outlined here (we need to remove the references to Flash, but the rest is still valid)
http://escapistmagazine.com/videos/help
Very few people have followed the steps on the help page to the end... less then 10 people over the past day (or year! [https://31.media.tumblr.com/1613d6bc53603560139edb5dac84c7a0/tumblr_inline_nktfoyHgNs1r66kub.gif])
 

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Can you imagine a state of affairs where youtube, or literally any other video player, demanded that their entire user base follow an eight step technical diagnostic process before being able to view a four minute video?

I maintain a whitelist and am active under the hood of my web-browser, so I could; but won't owing to laziness. It's a four minute video about video games, if it's not convenient to watch then I just won't watch it. A lot of quote unquote "normal people" won't even be able to get that far.
 

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Stefan Duberley said:
Can you imagine a state of affairs where youtube, or literally any other video player, demanded that their entire user base follow an eight step technical diagnostic process before being able to view a four minute video?
I don't believe anyone is demanding anything [http://i.imgur.com/nDdafsv.png], but we do try to provide thorough troubleshooting instructions. They seem to be working, as I can count on one hand the number of users who have come to us with video issues that were beyond the scope of the help page ...across the entire history of the site.

We are sorry for non-"script blocker" related issues on the new player (either in the playback, or in the layout), and are actively working to rectify them. Apologies for any inconvenience, but please do use the feedback form to provide us with the details of your configuration if you are still having issues (and are so inclined), and thank you for any patience you may have while we work out the remaining kinks.
 

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Thanatos2k said:
Hey, if someone wants to make a game exactly like Super Metroid, I'm down with that.

The people who actually own Metroid sure as hell aren't doing it.
It's kind of crazy, after a whole day it looks like you and I are STILL the only ones that have bothered to actually talk about the games unless I missed an ot post (I would have quoted you but I initially missed yours)!

And you make a good point. As much as Axiom Verge is aping off of Super Metroid, maybe I can't blame the devs too much. I would love to see Nintendo back in form with the series but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I watched gameplay of The Other M to see if it would interest me, and the gameplay looked great - but there was no getting past Samus suddenly being all fragile, or the painful story, or following orders, or any of the rest of it.

AV does seem interesting, and that drill looks rad.

Stealth Inc. might be neat too, but I'm not quite as interested in it for whatever reason.
 

Nazulu

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Oh c'mon Yahtzee. We should encourage Super Metroid type metroidvania's, since there are hardly any of them. Especially matching the quality of it. Well thanks for bringing it up so I can get it later.

I want to see more developers copy SSB Melee since Nintendo isn't doing it anymore.

Edit: Works on my Firefox now which is good. So thank you.
24/4/15 - 1:53pm
 

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If your new video player is causing so many problems for you that you have to put up a notice for it, you should switch back to the old one.

-- A Former Viewer
 

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Kross said:
If you want to customize what loads on your browser, we aren't demanding that you change your ways, but it's a bit insulting to come on our forums and tell us how you despise us personally for trying to ensure the people paying for our content get enough of a return to keep making more content
I agree with you here, but be honest: the Escapist hasn't had the best track-record with adds.

If you're having an issue with the video player, we are actively working on addressing any reported difficulties. Please, if you are unable to view a video, follow the instructions outlined here (we need to remove the references to Flash, but the rest is still valid)
http://escapistmagazine.com/videos/help
Very few people have followed the steps on the help page to the end... less then 10 people over the past day (or year! [https://31.media.tumblr.com/1613d6bc53603560139edb5dac84c7a0/tumblr_inline_nktfoyHgNs1r66kub.gif])
It may help if you guys post a link to show people how to delete cookies for a single site. Many people will probably not be familiar with how to do this and may think you're expecting them to delete all cookies, which is, understandably, unacceptable.

EDIT:
By the by, did you guys also change how spoilers work? I can't seem to open those any more on my home computer since a week or so.
 
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So, that's that then. Since Yahtzee is the only content worth looking at, aside from Critical Intel, and it won't work without fiddling about under the hood of my set-up, I just won't. Seems like fiddling about isn't a guarantee to get the video to work anyway, by the looks of it in this thread. We part ways now, Escapist. Best of luck, but I don't see this going well. I hope to see Yahtzee free of the shackles of an outdated business model soon. Until then I'll just catch him with a week's delay on youtube.


So long and thanks for all the fish.
 

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Stefan Duberley said:
Can you imagine a state of affairs where youtube, or literally any other video player, demanded that their entire user base follow an eight step technical diagnostic process before being able to view a four minute video?
I don't believe anyone is demanding anything [http://i.imgur.com/nDdafsv.png], but we do try to provide thorough troubleshooting instructions. They seem to be working, as I can count on one hand the number of users who have come to us with video issues that were beyond the scope of the help page ...across the entire history of the site.

We are sorry for non-"script blocker" related issues on the new player (either in the playback, or in the layout), and are actively working to rectify them. Apologies for any inconvenience, but please do use the feedback form to provide us with the details of your configuration if you are still having issues (and are so inclined), and thank you for any patience you may have while we work out the remaining kinks.
My use of the word demand is based on the fact that, unless we take the time to hunt down your not especially well advertised troubleshooting instructions, and go through the steps listed, we cannot watch the video. It simply doesn't work - and unless we hunt around we have no idea why. When I posted before there wasn't even a banner on the video explaining why it might not be working, which is a road block to most of the population. Yahtzee has an immense viewership, and by my count less than 7000 people bothered to investigate the forum to find out what was wrong.

I might be in a minority in that I have no problem with you hozing ad-block. I think it's misguided and will hurt you, but that's just my opinion. It's your business, not mine, and I respect that. I still won't go through the troubleshooting steps because it's more inconvenient than a four minute video justifies. This is ultimately a service website, the service being entertainment, and when a service requires me to work before it functions, I'll just go watch a youtube cat on a trampoline. I very much doubt I'm alone.
 

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Ignoring the new video player and all that; the thing I find the most interesting about all this, is that this thread hasn't been carpet-bombed by the mods, like Jim's adblock thread was.

Maybe lessons were learned that day, it's hard to say.

Twattycake_Fancypant said:
So, that's that then. Since Yahtzee is the only content worth looking at, aside from Critical Intel,
Critical Intel has already left the site. (Unless you mean Critical Miss?)
 

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Really? This much anger over adds? Alt tab over to reddit, or lolcats, or some really short porn, its 30 fucking seconds guys, I am absolutely 900% positive you can weather the loss. "HOW FUCKING DARE THIS SHITTY WEBSITE TRY TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON AND THE EMPLOYEES PAID!!! I"M LEAVING AND TAKING ALL THE NOTHING I GAVE WITH ME!!!". running a website isn't free and pubclub costs pennies, how exactly do you think Defy is supposed to fund this place?

OT: I would have tossed Axiom Verge aside as a unambiguous Metroid clone if Nintendo actually still made Metroid, but as it stands the last Metroid games of worthwhile quality came out over a decade ago, so I say bring on the clones. It also helps that while Axiom Verge doesn't have a huge amount of originality, the quality of execution comes damn close to Super Metroid levels. Certainly a game I would recommend, even if the last hour or so drops off in quality a bit and the final boss is terrible. Almost as if the game was somehow rushed despite being in development for god only knows how long.
 

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So, we've been wanting to ditch Flash for an HTML5 player for years now. At first, they didn't support ad networks [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage] in any reasonable way, and later our two [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/ThyNameIsMud] programmers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/paulgruberman] have had to develop a mobile site around other non-Escapist projects that help pay to keep the wheels [http://i.imgur.com/q2qumyP.jpg] turning. Luckily, Google forced the hand of our divine Granter-of-Funds, which allowed us to prioritize mobile development.

We don't go out of our way to detect things that disable ads, but we also don't make bypassing the things that literally pay for our food, rent, and insurance a priority. The fact that the new HTML5 player breaks when components of its playlist are disabled was a bit of a happy coincidence from a development effort perspective.

It makes me a bit sad to see all the anger, when everyone I've worked with [http://i.imgur.com/RwC1qks.png] here (for over [http://i.imgur.com/AHWpNG4.jpg] a decade [http://i.imgur.com/JKpUSp2.png] now!) loves playing [http://i.imgur.com/MsmtzmG.png] and talking [http://i.imgur.com/NeUYK4J.png] about games, and are doing our best to devote all our working energy [http://i.imgur.com/HOAGVpA.png] towards those goals (rather than much more soul-draining pursuits). We put up all the content we can find about the things [http://i.imgur.com/HSurtLm.jpg] we love [http://i.imgur.com/9JwDWI8.jpg], and do our best to make sure that content will be here tomorrow. If you want to customize what loads on your browser, we aren't demanding that you change your ways, but it's a bit insulting to come on our forums and tell us how you despise us personally for trying to ensure the people paying for our content get enough of a return to keep making more content. We want you to see the videos, which a significant part of why we upload to Youtube (which has more eyes, but pays significantly less per viewer). Youtube provided stopgap mobile support, while also introducing more people to our existing content.

If you're having an issue with the video player, we are actively working on addressing any reported difficulties. Please, if you are unable to view a video, follow the instructions outlined here (we need to remove the references to Flash, but the rest is still valid)
http://escapistmagazine.com/videos/help
Very few people have followed the steps on the help page to the end... less then 10 people over the past day (or year! [https://31.media.tumblr.com/1613d6bc53603560139edb5dac84c7a0/tumblr_inline_nktfoyHgNs1r66kub.gif])
I'm glad for you that you've found a way to ditch HTML5. I have no idea what that means because I don't particularly care about video players. I also get why you feel your hard work is unappreciated. Because you know the 77 people who've bothered to complain must be really upsetting compared to the millions of people that posted nothing and got on with it or don't care.

I've followed your video suggestions page, but it doesn't solve my specific problem. I don't like watching these in full screen. Is there a way I can watch in a smaller format? The lower quality button at the bottom of the video only refreshes the video I'm watching. It doesn't make things smaller. There was an option yesterday morning to make things lower quality for people with DSL lines, but when I asked about that ability it disappeared in the afternoon. While you were getting upset at the 77 people complaining about adblock not working on their system, and a few of them followed your steps and it still didn't work, my specific concern was ignored. I'm fairly certain it won't get talked about again because you have already stopped listening because of all 77 complainers made you cry.

Here's the thing you need to be aware of. There's a reason why youtube doesn't disable adblock on their site. The moment they do, youtube dies. Some other site will come along and take over. Guess what? Youtube knows this. That is why in 2012, they paid adblock a lot of money to place youtube on a permanent exception list. Doing that saved Google almost a billion dollars a year in server costs.

Maybe pay adblock plus money to have your site on the exceptions list instead?
 

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It may help if you guys post a link to show people how to delete cookies for a single site. Many people will probably not be familiar with how to do this and may think you're expecting them to delete all cookies, which is, understandably, unacceptable.

EDIT:
By the by, did you guys also change how spoilers work? I can't seem to open those any more on my home computer since a week or so.
I can spend some extra time making the instructions a bit more detailed.

We've changed Spoilers to be jQuery based recently, mobile layout was having some issues which were recently fixed as well.

Thanks for the feedback.
 

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We don't go out of our way to detect things that disable ads, but we also don't make bypassing the things that literally pay for our food, rent, and insurance a priority. The fact that the new HTML5 player breaks when components of its playlist are disabled was a bit of a happy coincidence from a development effort perspective.]
Kross, I certainly don't mind ads. I understand their importance. But it's also important that the ads aren't intrusive to the point of being irritating. The Escapist hasn't exactly had a solid track record in that regard.

To give you a fresh and relevant example, while reading through this very forum post, I decided to disable "That Plugin" and after a page refresh I was immediately greeted with loud audio of someone talking about a product. It took me a few seconds to figure out it was coming from this tab, at the bottom right of the page. Yes, there was an auto-playing video ad with sound. This is not acceptable.
 

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I'm not 100% clear on the issue you're having about the help page. The 8 steps more or less say "Make sure you're using latest browser software, clear your cookies/cache, we don't support third-party browser extensions, and if that doesn't work let us know". This page has existed since we got a video player back in 2007 and is simply out attempt to help users having issues.

If I can offer any more clarity or help for you please let me know, or feel free to file a ticket [/contact/subject/tech] if you'd like to let us know privately.

Best,

-Mud
 

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malestrithe said:
I've followed your video suggestions page, but it doesn't solve my specific problem. I don't like watching these in full screen. Is there a way I can watch in a smaller format? The lower quality button at the bottom of the video only refreshes the video I'm watching. It doesn't make things smaller. There was an option yesterday morning to make things lower quality for people with DSL lines, but when I asked about that ability it disappeared in the afternoon.
I should have the format selector in the player within the next week or so. I understand that's an important feature and we're totes gunna get that in soon.

-Mud
 

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To give you a fresh and relevant example, while reading through this very forum post, I decided to disable "That Plugin" and after a page refresh I was immediately greeted with loud audio of someone talking about a product. It took me a few seconds to figure out it was coming from this tab, at the bottom right of the page. Yes, there was an auto-playing video ad with sound. This is not acceptable.
Just want to be clear on this, auto-playing video ads that do not come from the video player are not suppose to be on site.

I've reported that problem to our Ad Operations team, and I'm told they will investigate and disable. Please keep in mind we use a large advertising network so if you find another ad issue please feel free to send me a ticket [/contact/subject/tech] about the ad with a screen shot of the unit (so we know where to look). Usually the more detail the better so I can properly point fingers.

-Mud
 

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major_chaos said:
"HOW FUCKING DARE THIS SHITTY WEBSITE TRY TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON AND THE EMPLOYEES PAID!!! I"M LEAVING AND TAKING ALL THE NOTHING I GAVE WITH ME!!!". running a website isn't free and pubclub costs pennies, how exactly do you think Defy is supposed to fund this place?
While this might describe some people who use "the forbidden extension", it's really unfair to label everyone who uses it as just a bunch of greedy people who don't care at all about the content creators or the website. A lot of the comments are about how ads make the site near unusable, if not completely unusable. And things like auto-playing ads, ads that automatically expand, and ads that automatically cover part of the screen until we close them ourselves go beyond simple inconvenience.

Personally, I don't know anyone who uses the extension simply because "haha, fuck those content creators!" Everyone I know who uses it (either on this site or elsewhere) does so because they're tired of overly-intrusive ads. A quick ad at the beginning of a video? Fine. An ad on the sidebar? Fine. A non-expanding ad you have to scroll past while reading through a thread? Slightly more annoying but fine. Auto-expanding and auto-playing ads? So many ads it slows things down to a halt or just makes it very hard to view content? Ads that cause the browser to crash? That's where pretty much everyone I know draws the line and uses the extension. It's either that or they don't use the site at all, and since they could provide links to the site (which helps the site), I think sites would prefer them take the option of the extension than to just not come at all.

And this isn't to say that it is justifiable to block ads. If you think people still aren't justified despite those reasons, fine. I understand why you would think that. However, it would be best to avoid painting everyone who complains as just greedy and inconsiderate.
 

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ThyNameIsMud said:
EvilTelephone said:
To give you a fresh and relevant example, while reading through this very forum post, I decided to disable "That Plugin" and after a page refresh I was immediately greeted with loud audio of someone talking about a product. It took me a few seconds to figure out it was coming from this tab, at the bottom right of the page. Yes, there was an auto-playing video ad with sound. This is not acceptable.
Just want to be clear on this, auto-playing video ads that do not come from the video player are not suppose to be on site.

I've reported that problem to our Ad Operations team, and I'm told they will investigate and disable. Please keep in mind we use a large advertising network so if you find another ad issue please feel free to send me a ticket [/contact/subject/tech] about the ad with a screen shot of the unit (so we know where to look). Usually the more detail the better so I can properly point fingers.

-Mud
Thats the problem with allowing strangers to put content on a site with your name. You can ask them "pretty please" don't put stuff we told you not to but if they don't give a fuck what are you going to do? They have the money.

What I don't see in that post is "If this is true we will sever our relationship with that ad network" or "We will vet every ad before it is allowed to show on our site to prevent this from happening again".

The policy against auto-playing audio is just words on a page unless it backed up with consequences.

But really I don't see a fundamental difference between autoplaying audio meant to distract you and draw your attention and animations meant to distract you and steal your attention. Why is one acceptable and the other isn't?
 

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Very few people have followed the steps on the help page to the end... less then 10 people over the past day (or year! [https://31.media.tumblr.com/1613d6bc53603560139edb5dac84c7a0/tumblr_inline_nktfoyHgNs1r66kub.gif])
Why would anyone think otherwise? Of course we're not going to go through a process. When people go to Youtube, do they need a help form to watch the videos? No. And youtube has ads, no matter what kind of filtering your browser uses or doesn't. I'm frankly shocked you got 10 whole people. That number is more reasonable as zero. Killing accessibility helps no one, least of all The Escapist.
 

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rembrandtqeinstein said:
Thats the problem with allowing strangers to put content on a site with your name. You can ask them "pretty please" don't put stuff we told you not to but if they don't give a fuck what are you going to do? They have the money.

What I don't see in that post is "If this is true we will sever our relationship with that ad network" or "We will vet every ad before it is allowed to show on our site to prevent this from happening again".

The policy against auto-playing audio is just words on a page unless it backed up with consequences.

But really I don't see a fundamental difference between autoplaying audio meant to distract you and draw your attention and animations meant to distract you and steal your attention. Why is one acceptable and the other isn't?
The consequences for these kind of offenses is usually termination of the contract with the network. That's after multiple failed request or the network is showing too many scams/bad ads but believe it has happen before. I understand we all have different viewpoints on when this should come into play but I trust in those who are charged with making those decisions to do their job. Their job heavily relies on being properly informed so I always take care to send them an email with a user's report of a bad ad or if I see one.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Why would anyone think otherwise? Of course we're not going to go through a process. When people go to Youtube, do they need a help form to watch the videos? No. And youtube has ads, no matter what kind of filtering your browser uses or doesn't. I'm frankly shocked you got 10 whole people. That number is more reasonable as zero. Killing accessibility helps no one, least of all The Escapist.
they do [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3037019?hl=en]! There's always a chance for an issue which is why the help page exists, we've had ours since 2007.

I'm also unclear as to what your issue is, the video player doesn't do any filtering on browsers as we've tested on all the popular devices and browsers. If you're having a specific issue please feel free to drop us a line [/contact/subject/tech] and I'll be happy to work with you to get it resolved.

-Mud
 

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ThyNameIsMud said:
they do [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3037019?hl=en]! There's always a chance for an issue which is why the help page exists, we've had ours since 2007.

I'm also unclear as to what your issue is, the video player doesn't do any filtering on browsers as we've tested on all the popular devices and browsers. If you're having a specific issue please feel free to drop us a line [/contact/subject/tech] and I'll be happy to work with you to get it resolved.

-Mud
First of all, those help issues are unrelated to the problem here. Which is fine. I'm not here to win an argument. My point is simply this: I watch videos on sites when the work I have to do amounts to "click to play." Not, "click to go to another page and reconfigure my browser." I don't run this site, so I don't care what your policy is. You guys obviously decide in the end because you pay the bills. I'm just not going to do extra work, and suggesting extra work be performed on the viewer's part is unreasonable when pretty much all competition doesn't have this problem.

My personal problem is that these videos don't work. They don't work at home, where I use Chrome, and they don't work at my job, where I use Firefox. I understand temporary outages, like the Youtube help link above talks about. Typically, said outages don't last from the time I get home from work to the lunch break of the next day.

My other problem is this quote, which is either now removed by Kross, or didn't post properly to this thread, but certainly is in my inbox:

We're certainly working towards eliminating useability issues so people don't need to troubleshoot the video player. I am however extremely flattered at the comparison between Google's development team and our own, and hope that the need to use the help page will significantly diminish as we shake out the last few display issues. Thanks for your understanding and gracious patronage! <3
Like I said, I'm not trying to win an argument with anyone. I'm certainly not trying to make out anyone as a bad guy. But I'm also frustrated, and I'm allowed to be frustrated, and frankly, 'frustrating' is a word I'd use as a descriptor for this site, so forgive me if my post is not littered with praises and sunshine in addition to my issues. That being said, I've been a member for quite some time and I don't appreciate the sarcasm above. I'm not an idiot, and whether I've been a member of publisher's club or not (I haven't), I've watched many, many ads in my years spent here which certainly makes me a customer. I don't get sarcastic with customers that are unhappy with me, because that's unprofessional. But, this is the internet, I guess the standards are different.

I'm also well aware that this is not what this topic is about, so I've said my part. Good luck with working out the issues.
 

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My point is simply this: I watch videos on sites when the work I have to do amounts to "click to play." Not, "click to go to another page and reconfigure my browser." I don't run this site, so I don't care what your policy is. You guys obviously decide in the end because you pay the bills. I'm just not going to do extra work, and suggesting extra work be performed on the viewer's part is unreasonable when pretty much all competition doesn't have this problem.

My personal problem is that these videos don't work. They don't work at home, where I use Chrome, and they don't work at my job, where I use Firefox. I understand temporary outages, like the Youtube help link above talks about. Typically, said outages don't last from the time I get home from work to the lunch break of the next day.
This is a big concern for me as well. I don't want you to have to jump through hoops to see a 5 minute video, it's a waste of your time. We've QA'd the player against all popular Device/OS/Browser combinations we could before I pushed it live. The hope is the help page will help a user with all the common issues that can cause playback issues without needing to talk to someone.

That said, it seems like you're having issues. Mind sending me a message over yonder [/contact/subject/tech] and we can hopefully get you back to working or fix the core issue.

Apologies again about the frustration this issue has caused.

Best,
Mud
 

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My statement wasn't directed at every single person who uses "that", it was specifically directed at those in this thread getting indignant and acting like they have somehow been wronged and are now taking their ball and going home. I understand why people would use "you know what", but I find it irksome when they act like they are owed something by content creators they aren't supporting.
 

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As for video ads, instead of the long 30 second clips can you get those ones that have a skip button after 5 seconds? The longer ones are annoying because I don't care what they are trying to sell. I just mute them and go to a different tab and read something for a minute or so and tab back and restart the video i'm interested in sans ad. Also I'm incredibly leery about letting ads on my PC to begin with after a popular MMO related website had an issue involving an ad that installed a keylogger.
 

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You know, The Escapist hasn't had a solid track record when it comes to ads. Let's be fair. Last time when Jim tackled this subject, what the administration did was say, "Yeah, they're invasive and annoying, but they pay more, so deal with it." If you want to explore a policy that is more user friendly, I'm sure this change would have prompted a better reaction.
 

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Thanatos2k said:
Hey, if someone wants to make a game exactly like Super Metroid, I'm down with that.

The people who actually own Metroid sure as hell aren't doing it.
It's kind of crazy, after a whole day it looks like you and I are STILL the only ones that have bothered to actually talk about the games unless I missed an ot post (I would have quoted you but I initially missed yours)!
Hey don't ask me, I'm using Firefox with Adblocker installed (but not enabled) and had no problems whatsoever getting the video to run. No idea why everyone is whining about it so much.
 

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I've never used Adblock in my life and the video works fine for me, so I guess it's my little reward.
 

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Hey don't ask me, I'm using Firefox with Adblocker installed (but not enabled) and had no problems whatsoever getting the video to run. No idea why everyone is whining about it so much.
The video seems to work now, even with "it" enabled.
 

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Ah, Yahtzee has a special gift in that he can make me laugh at jokes about games I really didn't care about, and am still unlikely to buy.
And concerning the technical issues (as I see it's being discussed here, and couldn't find a separate thread for it), I ended up watching the video on my iPhone (on which the video worked fine, but where no adds were displayed), as repeated reboots using the latest Firefox without "that thing" didn't work.
 

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Escapist with no script and adblock and all of that on Palemoon before the new video player: page loading in maybe twenty seconds top.

The Escapist now in Chrome with adblock and everything disabled: two minute load time (Took three refreshes to get the video to load though the ads would always load).

I have slow internet and this site has had awful ad policy for awhile. I've enjoyed this site for awhile but this is the end. After this, I'm logging off for good.