Zero Punctuation: Battlefield 3

[Cid Silverwing]

YES!

Thank you, Yahtzee, for validating my virulent hatred of Battlefield 3. Let's hope your MW3 review is equally merciless.

 

[Scrimshaw13]

I ran into the same invisible wall...ugh

 

[RJ Dalton]

So, what exactly where you supposed to do to get on the osprey? Did you eventually figure it out, or did you just keep playing it until the game let you finish the level and end up not being sure how you did it?

 

[ph0b0s123]

As I predicted here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.319929-Zero-Punctuation-Kinect?page=2#13062231] some weeks ago, no mention of the multi player game which is the main point of the Battlefield series. The justification for this by Yahtzee was pretty laughable.

The bit complaining about not being able to fly a plane and that the engine would be good for a flight sim, would been very funny if that was not precisely what happens in the multiplayer game.

Yahtzee should just recuse himself from reviewing battlefield games if he is only capable of reviewing at most half the game. I have an excuse for not reviewing it as well. Blame the spyware you would have had to have loaded to play the best version on the PC. That could have been quite funny....

Sigh... There was mention of the multiplayer. He said it's repetitive and full of tossers. In short, he didn't enjoy it and didn't play it for long. That's called an opinion. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. And I, for one, agree with it. I can't stomach multiplayer shooters, I fall into a catatonic coma after playing for more than 10 minutes. Just enjoy what you enjoy, there's no need for anyone to validate your preferences for you.

Sigh, if he (and you) don't like this type of game, don't review it. That was the core of my point.

 

[flaming_squirrel]

BF3 singleplayer was the biggest pile of bollocks since Black ops, and at least that didnt have a quicktime event where you fight a fucking rat. They even had the complete loss of mind to put them in the co-op missions.


The multiplayer on the other hand is pretty good, though not without it's flaws. The UI was designed by a group of talentless bastards and the maps are generally pretty dull and poorly designed. Also what's with the dumbing down for consoles, they removed half of the tactical content which made BF2 such a great game.

 

[Undead Dragon King]

So you're saying that the multiplayer does things that haven't been seen in previous Battlefield games, or other FPS games?

While the general layout of the multiplayer is nothing groundbreaking, you don't need to be groundbreaking to be original. I havn't played it myself, but I've heard that the unlockable vehicle upgrades, use of mobile weapon bipods in any potental environment, and weapon-mounted flashlights casting disorienting lens flare at enemy players are all at least relatively new. I'm sure there are other changes too. These are small changes, I know, but it shows that least some creative thought has gone into this game, in stark contrast to Yahtzee saying that the game doesn't have an original thought of its own.

The message I wanted to send was that Yahtzee shouldn't form the entire basis for multiplayer from playing for a couple minutes and getting shot a few times without trying at least some of the aspects of it.

 

[chadachada123]

As I predicted here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.319929-Zero-Punctuation-Kinect?page=2#13062231] some weeks ago, no mention of the multi player game which is the main point of the Battlefield series. The justification for this by Yahtzee was pretty laughable.

The bit complaining about not being able to fly a plane and that the engine would be good for a flight sim, would been very funny if that was not precisely what happens in the multiplayer game.

Yahtzee should just recuse himself from reviewing battlefield games if he is only capable of reviewing at most half the game. I have an excuse for not reviewing it as well. Blame the spyware you would have had to have loaded to play the best version on the PC. That could have been quite funny....

Sigh... There was mention of the multiplayer. He said it's repetitive and full of tossers. In short, he didn't enjoy it and didn't play it for long. That's called an opinion. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. And I, for one, agree with it. I can't stomach multiplayer shooters, I fall into a catatonic coma after playing for more than 10 minutes. Just enjoy what you enjoy, there's no need for anyone to validate your preferences for you.

Sigh, if he (and you) don't like this type of game, don't review it. That was the core of my point.

You can hate a genre and still give a favorable review if the game does what it aims to do well. I despise sports games but I can still say "Yeah, this game would be sweet if I was a sport's fan" or "No, this game sucks whether or not I'm a sports fan."

Battlefield's story did NOT do well at what it aimed to do, and since EA claimed that the singleplayer was good, that's a valid criticism. The story sucked, the gameplay was meh, the physics were MORE boring than BC2, etc etc. It was "good," but it literally DEFINED the Brown Modern FPS game and was really short to boot.

Besides, Yahtzee is a game reviewer that specializes in ripping games to shreds based on their flaws.

 

[spplmj]

As Yahtzee mention there were a lot of dumb moments in the single player...

One in particular is in the 2nd mission of the game, Your CO tells you to go onto an overpass and grab the LMG there and supress the baddies. Unfortunetly the overpass has these stupid sheet metal barriers that get shot off in about 2 seconds leaving you wide open for many frustrating deaths...

 

[Lost Cause]

I love how everyone's complaining about him ignoring the multiplayer.

Remember how in his Halo Reach review he said a full-priced game should be able to stand on single player alone? Y'all knew this was coming.

 

[Psyko]

wow.....just wow....that was a bit much,

You cant judge a multiplayer game on it's single player content. the real reason you do that is because you only have a week to play the game, and you boldly refuse to get used to the skill thats involved. What are you trying to really say dude? that games evolve but you refuse to?

heres me take on multiplayer,
The multiplayer side is beautiful when it comes to graphics but its an enormous coverup for whats underneath the Hud. The gameplay is unbalanced and there are a plethora of bugs that need to be addressed in a huge nerfing session. The single player is a glorified movie and you shouldnt ever play it twice. Origin the game delivery service is a ***** to use and you need to hack what you allready bought in these early days of the game's development. Millions of people (literally) where infuriated in the first few days of the PC release due to how difficult it was to set it up and a lot of them are still crying from it. Its basically trying its best to be BF2 with nicer graphics but has no incentive to stop bad players from wailing on the good players.

the single players shit, the multiplayer is splendid on the right modes and its full of tards and bugs.

 

[daxterx2005]

"minimum level of suck my cock"
I don't know why I loled at that

 

[Carnagath]

As I predicted here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.319929-Zero-Punctuation-Kinect?page=2#13062231] some weeks ago, no mention of the multi player game which is the main point of the Battlefield series. The justification for this by Yahtzee was pretty laughable.

The bit complaining about not being able to fly a plane and that the engine would be good for a flight sim, would been very funny if that was not precisely what happens in the multiplayer game.

Yahtzee should just recuse himself from reviewing battlefield games if he is only capable of reviewing at most half the game. I have an excuse for not reviewing it as well. Blame the spyware you would have had to have loaded to play the best version on the PC. That could have been quite funny....

Sigh... There was mention of the multiplayer. He said it's repetitive and full of tossers. In short, he didn't enjoy it and didn't play it for long. That's called an opinion. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. And I, for one, agree with it. I can't stomach multiplayer shooters, I fall into a catatonic coma after playing for more than 10 minutes. Just enjoy what you enjoy, there's no need for anyone to validate your preferences for you.

Sigh, if he (and you) don't like this type of game, don't review it. That was the core of my point.

This is not like RTS games that he hates on principle so he didn't review Starcraft 2. He does like shooters, or at least some of them. Just not BF3. Why are you finding that so hard to accept?

 

[Bluecho]

I think a lot of people are missing the point Yahtzee was trying to make: that if a game can't be bothered to make a good single player experience, then it shouldn't have bothered to put one in at all. The point of having the two modes at all is to give players who like or dislike playing with others the available option. The two camps can be happy without watering down one half to appeal to the other. A good game would have good single and multiplayer modes that cater to both and don't screw with each other.

Not only did EA put in a single player mode without making it actually good, but they had the gall to try passing it off as on par with the multiplayer. If they didn't want to bother with Single player, they should have just made it just multiplayer.

And yes, he's writing off an entire game mode just because the one he's willing to play sucks. But then again, so long as the multiplayer mode functions, it's not really the game itself that's making the multiplayer good. It's the players making their own fun with each other. Complaining that he didn't give the game a fair shake by ignoring multiplayer ignores the fact that reviewing the multiplayer portion in any capacity other than "does this function?" wouldn't be reviewing the game itself. It'd be reviewing the players. And that's not what he's here for.

He reviews the single player because that's part of the game and the fun hinges on how good the game is, not how good the players are. And in that respect, the single player mode (and by extension the game itself) is very poor indeed. If the multiplayer is all that counts, why bother making new multiplayer games at all? This is why Team Fortress 2 is still profitable years later; people enjoy playing with each other, and TF2 is an established place to do that.

 

[Diegolomac]

Just by curiosity, I haven't played the game, what part was that at the end of the video where he couldn't get inside the aircraft? And why exactly couldn't he do it? I mean, was it really as BS as he said on the video? What was the justification the game gave him? (I suppose this also happenned to other people)

 

[Me55enger]

As I predicted some weeks ago no mention of the muti player game which is the most main point the Battled field games..

That wasn't really a prediction Yathzee has gone on record that he doesn't like multilayer. Ever. We all know that's why people buy these particular games but he thinks that's exactly what's wrong with the game.

Out of sheer pseudo-curiosity for your answer, I shall pose this question to you:

What then, was the point of his review? If you have managed to condense his whole opinion of this specific genre?

Didn't he say he doesn't do reviews? Those videos are him expressing his opinion and criticising the game in a funny manner, nothing more.

Forgive me for reducing this to popular culture definitions, but isn't the expression ofopinion and cirticising rewviewing in its purest form?

or have I found irony in what you suggest?

 

[maturin]

Anyone notice how the MW3 popup appeared at the most critical part?

 

[Excludos]

To quote Yahtzee, from the very video you watched minutes before posting your comment:

"EA recently went on record saying that they considered the single player campaign to be just as important as multiplayer".

Looks like he played a decent proportion of the game. If there's no reason to buy this game for the single player aspect... oh dear!

While you are entirely entitled to reviewing the singleplayer, it is kind of pointless. The game strength lies in its multiplayer after all, and that should be your entire reasoning for buying this game. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to buy it for the singleplayer..unless you like bad games.

Then why do EA pump huge amounts of time and resources into multiplayer and then say otherwise?

Oh, its because they're retarded. I'm sure EA har put a ton of money and time into the singleplayer. And like I mentioned earlier, they came incredibly close to pulling it off. I enjoyed some minor moments of it, but in between every one of those, there where just hours of quick time events and plain boring.

But that doesn't mean the strength isn't in the multiplayer, and always have been. That has always been the entire point of the game after all.

Anyone remember unreal tournament 3? It was a pretty good multiplayer game. However they also dumped a ton of money into the singleplayer..which is probably one of the worst singleplayer games of all times. Still, that doesn't make the entire game any worse, because who buys an unreal tournament game for its singleplayer to begin with?

So like I said. Yahtzee is is entitled to review the singleplayer if he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that the game is about multiplayer, and the value of the game isn't determined by its singleplayer counterpart in the slightest.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Battlefield 3

After a brief respite, Shooter Season 2011 returns with Battlefield 3.

Watch Video

The Multiplayer actually has worse problems if you can believe it.

EVERYTHING has to be unlocked. While this as big a problem for people on the ground shooting each other in the face, since a gun is only so much better with the Red Dot compared to one that doesn't, you need to unlock almost everything for aircraft to.

If your starting the game and you manage to get one of the team's jets, your limited to a machine gun. This makes you completely useless against any target on the ground, but it makes any dog fight basically onesided as well. Since you get the jet's unlocks by destroying things in the jets, you basically can say goodbye to every taking flight since at least one team mate is going to have flares and missles and is going to make that aircraft much better then yours

 

[Dalisclock]

I have to say, Yahtzee's whole ignore-that-multiplayer-exists routine is getting a bit stale. Yes, the single player was woeful, but it's a primarily multiplayer game. I mean, would you review Left 4 Dead without including the multiplayer? After all, it can be played solo.

Although, I guess that EA was kind of asking for it in this case, considering how much they hyped up BF3's bloody campaign.

He's said it before. He doesn't give a shit about the mutiplayer and niether do a lot of people. Something I can sympathize with. It's one of the reasons I've written off Battlefield 3 because it's essentially a mutiplayer game, which I don't like. And it pretty much forces me into the COD camp, because at least COD can do single-player(I played BC2, hoping for a good singleplayer experience, and found it a bit lacking. It really felt they were trying way to hard to stick it to the MW games instead of making an actual good singleplayer game on their own terms).

I'm also disappointed he didn't mention the rat fight.

 

[Excludos]

Battlefield 3

After a brief respite, Shooter Season 2011 returns with Battlefield 3.

Watch Video

The Multiplayer actually has worse problems if you can believe it.

EVERYTHING has to be unlocked. While this as big a problem for people on the ground shooting each other in the face, since a gun is only so much better with the Red Dot compared to one that doesn't, you need to unlock almost everything for aircraft to.

If your starting the game and you manage to get one of the team's jets, your limited to a machine gun. This makes you completely useless against any target on the ground, but it makes any dog fight basically onesided as well. Since you get the jet's unlocks by destroying things in the jets, you basically can say goodbye to every taking flight since at least one team mate is going to have flares and missles and is going to make that aircraft much better then yours

Yes, I agree. However its also a major fact thats keeping people like me returning to it all the time, because I want to unlock everything. And you only need 2 unlocks for the aircraft before you can use it just as well as anyone else no matter how much unlock they have. And thats the flare and missiles.

Granted, I think those 2 should probably have been unlocked before you start off. I think I died somewhere around 6 times before I unlocked those. I did, however, do it in one game where I was a tad lucky with my rubbish opponents.

With the helicopter. You don't really need to unlock anything as long as you have a good teammate who has flares. Of course, 6 perks instead of just 3 is a huge bonus