Zero Punctuation: Bayonetta
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Since Tomb Raider?neoman10 said:
And if you don't count that, then since Bayonetta, obviously.
The problem really with the QTEs is that most of them kill you if you fail.Mikkaddo said:
If they merely resulted in damage and loss of their associated bonus (which some of them do), then the penalty for failing them would be less onerous, but there would still be an incentive to succeee.
Great Review, I loved the part at the Pac-Man Story telling.
Well, I would have still got it, even when you said it was bad.
Well, I would have still got it, even when you said it was bad.
Mikkaddo said:
Interesting but also beside the point. Yahtzee has indeed rendered verdicts before or at least addressed the issue of whether or not a game is good. A few examples are Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood, inFAMOUS, Left 4 Dead, Bionic Commando, Dragon Age: Origins, Halo 3, and Sonic Unleashed. And even if he did say that he's not trying to influence our buying decisions that hasn't stopped him from dishing out recommendations every now and again like Batman: Arkham Asylum, Prince of Persia, and Crysis. As I've said before consistency doesn't really seem to be one of his strong points. Nevertheless his position on Bayonetta does indeed seem to be in serious need of some clarification.
Pacman...AAARGH
I always wondered what the little dots were
I think they were the heads of Nazi Party members, which makes the game THAT much more awesome
I always wondered what the little dots were
I think they were the heads of Nazi Party members, which makes the game THAT much more awesome
I actually got a chance to witness some of this gameplay.
Yahtzee really hit it on the nail. once again Sega screws up a possible good game with their boring mechanics.
Yahtzee really hit it on the nail. once again Sega screws up a possible good game with their boring mechanics.
I cracked up at least 5 times during this review, I'm really glad that Yahtzee still keeps his humour intact.
MasterTroll said:
The very fact that his review is apparently open to such radically different interpretations would seem to be at least somewhat of a problem in and of itself. His review doesn't really have any clear cut bottom line or verdict. Only what is apparently a series of varied and seemingly contradictory implications.
Oi! Yahtzee! Mind how you slag on NiGHTS. That was one of my favorite games.
Granted, both the remake and the Saturn original seemed to be inspired by Disneyland's "It's A Small World" ride, with enough syrupy cloying mawkishness to turn anyone diabetic. The recent remake -- or should I say Wii-make -- "NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams" impossibly managed to amp this up even further with cut-scenes and vocal work that made me want to impale small kittens with rusty halberds. They would have been better off leaving all the characters as mutes.
But even given that, I still muchly enjoyed both games, and their respective soundtracks are permanent fixtures on my MP3 player. so... Just watch it.
Granted, both the remake and the Saturn original seemed to be inspired by Disneyland's "It's A Small World" ride, with enough syrupy cloying mawkishness to turn anyone diabetic. The recent remake -- or should I say Wii-make -- "NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams" impossibly managed to amp this up even further with cut-scenes and vocal work that made me want to impale small kittens with rusty halberds. They would have been better off leaving all the characters as mutes.
But even given that, I still muchly enjoyed both games, and their respective soundtracks are permanent fixtures on my MP3 player. so... Just watch it.
Wow, I thought I really didn't want to play Bayonetta, and bhow after all this the feeling is just about the same bloody thing x.x. Thank you Yahtzee, for reminding me how much I *didn't* want to play the damn game.
Jesus Christ, is he still complaining about there being over-the-top-action cutscenes in over-the-top-action games? Look Yahtzee, in Devil may Cry and Bayonetta, there's more than enough space to do ridiculous, insane combos with imaginary bullshit weapons against crazy, bizarre enemies. But every now and then, the director will decide he needs to do something so action packed that if anyone even attempted to put a control scheme to it, it would either suck balls and end up as a bland quicktime event OR an easy as piss minigame with so much detailed and choreographed stuff in the background that would either distract you and fuck up your run or go unnoticed because you're focusing on the minigame it's self.
Not only that, but the gameplay in DMC3-4 and Bayonetta are detailed and varied enough that you can pull off battles and combos not far off from that scale anyway. But seeing how you were saying that you were getting the dunce grade at the end of every level, you've obviously not managed to pull that off (that's not a butthurt fanboy attack). Seriously, look at some of the "tournament runs" for Devil May Cry on Youtube. Those guys can pull it off no problem. Yahtzee, it's OK if you simply don't like the gameplay, but dear god, you've just stopped a huge amount of people from buying a game where they could easily succeed where you failed.
Not only that, but the gameplay in DMC3-4 and Bayonetta are detailed and varied enough that you can pull off battles and combos not far off from that scale anyway. But seeing how you were saying that you were getting the dunce grade at the end of every level, you've obviously not managed to pull that off (that's not a butthurt fanboy attack). Seriously, look at some of the "tournament runs" for Devil May Cry on Youtube. Those guys can pull it off no problem. Yahtzee, it's OK if you simply don't like the gameplay, but dear god, you've just stopped a huge amount of people from buying a game where they could easily succeed where you failed.
I love this game, and at least he thought it was decent. Better that I expected considering how he hates nearly every Japanese game.
The most accurate review of Bayonetta I've heard. Discounting all the niggly little flaws, Bayonetta is a pretty outstanding game. Wildly original, exhilerating and entertaining action at its absolute finest. I would say though that the game has less prolonged fighting cutscenes than a Devil May Cry game, so much so that I was surprised by how much it let you play cutscene fights, even the flashbacks.
Yes, I hated the scoring system and the QTE, but I still loved the game.
Yes, I hated the scoring system and the QTE, but I still loved the game.
as usual Yahtzee is indeed hilarious; I lost my interest around the demo as I was suddenly crushed by the ten ton cinderblock saying "this game hasn't an original idea or aesthetic in its body".