FieryTrainwreck said:
I played every DMC. I played most every major action game since SNES. Even hit some of the late NES offerings. Kind of rules me out as a kiddo, huh?
Nope.
God of War was a watershed moment for the genre. Pretending otherwise is incredibly naive.
I never said that it wasn't. What I did say is that it's not entirely original. It's not. Is it a good game? Yes. Heck, it's an amazing game. One of my faves. However, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that it's the first game to play like it did, face down mythological beasts, or use a whip based weapon.
Pretending like it was the first at anything is what's incredibly naive.
When you put together an experience that feels so polished, fluid, and natural, you deservedly take the reigns of the genre.
According to what? Has Planescape Torment taken the reigns of the RPG genre? No. Yet it's arguably the best western RPG ever created. The same can be said of System Shock 2 for the FPS, Shadow of the Colossus for the Action/Adventure, Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time for the platformer, etc.
God of War took the reigns due to popularity, in the same way that Halo took the reigns of the FPS Genre. Not that the two are comparable in quality, but when there's an incredibly popular example of a genre, it's what's primarily used. Don't pretend otherwise.
It makes all the sense in the world to compare third person action games to God of War until something bests God of War.
"Bests" is a subjective term. I'm obviously talking to a fanboy, so I know nothing will probably ever "best" the God of War franchise, despite how stale it became. In fact, the second and third games are pointless. They're comparable to Bioshock 2.
When such a game contains QTEs, highly similar weaponry, and a cast of enemies pulled from history/mythology, said game will be rightfully mocked as a copycat - unless it had somehow done it all better than GoW. LoS did not.
Here's the thing: you first go from saying that God of War set the standard, to God of War was the first to do what it did. Make up your mind. Your entire "argument" has been inconsistent from the first moment.
With that being said, Lords of Shadow isn't original either. On that note, neither are most games that come out these days. However, trying to accuse a game from a franchise that essentially started the whole process of the action/platformer is a little silly. It's what the game does with those elements that counts, and Lords of Shadow provides a fun experience. It's a game series that went from being Metroid for far too long, and decided to reboot, and start again as a linear action/platformer.
Does it use God of War as a reference point? Sure. Is it exactly the same? No. Platforming is quite a bit more fluid, combat has more depth, and the magic is actually useful, rather than just a pretty option.
Defending the game's "originality" because its ancient 2D predecessors, which play nothing like modern action games, had similar elements seems bizarre and pointless.
Here we go again. I didn't claim that Lords of Shadow was original, and you really don't have any proof of that. You were the one who claimed that God of War was an original title, so please don't project your poor reasoning on to me.
With that said, the point is that pulling the "Simpsons did it" crap is idiotic. In fact, I'll reference that episode of South Park. Do you remember what Chef said at the end? "The Simpsons took the idea from a Twilight Zone episode." Everything can be traced back somewhere, so trying to point the finger and say "CLONE!" is what's pointless. One could say that it's a logical fallacy.
Feel free to like LoS. A bunch of people do. Doesn't mean it's not a gigantic GoW ripoff.
Kid, play the game. Don't be Croshaw's echo. Make up your own mind about things, rather than just being a tool who tries to justify someone else's screw up. It's obvious that Yahtzee is a huge God of War mark, and isn't happy that Castlevania isn't Metroidvania anymore. Same reason he wasn't happy that Shattered Dimensions didn't have a heavy web-swinging element. Even Crowshaw has his fanboy tendencies.
Start thinking for yourself. The world becomes a much cooler place to live. However, to put the final nail in your coffin, let me just say this:
Don't feel bad about liking God of War. Doesn't mean it's not a gigantic Devil May Cry ripoff.
Don't feel bad about liking Devil May Cry. Doesn't mean it's not a gigantic Castlevania ripoff.
Kamiya started this whole process. His favorite game of all time? Castlevania. You lose. Good day sir.
