Zero Punctuation: Eve Online

[TheGhostOfSin]

Is it possible to have Featured Content locked? This is going the way of the Mailbag showdown.

 

[Buddahcjcc]

are, for the most part, a group of intelligent, mature, interesting people with a fine sense of social acumen, and a better-than-average intellect. They tend to be older, better-spoken and more sensible than the average gamer, more sociable and funny, and less serious about their game than you'd expect.

Exactly what Ive heard about the WAR crowd. I started playing the game recently, and the kids playing that are even worse than the WoW players.

My first PvP fight (Which I was on the winning side of) was on day three. My first major battle (40 ships to a side) was within a month of joining the game. I became a junior fleet commander for my alliance in two months, a senior in four, and I've been experimenting with different play styles ever since.

That must have been very cool and gratifying for you but thats not the average player's take of EVE. The average player sees how big and hard and long it is and runs away. IF they stay, then they tend to have to wait quite a while to get inot a corp that will back them up in fights (Yes Ive seen the SP requirements a lot of 0.0 corps have.)
The first fight I ever got into in EVE was when I wandered into the wrong place and got zapped and podded by guys in battleships. My frigate (the only ship I could fly at the time - we didnt get that neat 800,000 starting SP bonus you newbs do) lasted about one shot. Yeah it was real fun starting at zero SP, and yes it did take about six months to get into fights and start playing EVE then. I realize its different now though. You CAN go right into fights now and get yer butt handed to you on a silver platter by the average 2 million SP player. Unless you have ppl with you that are also several million SP characters, or the enemy's account was ebayed, a miner turned fighter, or an complete dumbass, yer gonna get yer butt handed to you in the same way as if a lvl 1 in WoW somehow entered into a fight with a 70.

Yahtzee should stop reviewing them and focus on single-player centric games instead, since that's clearly where his interest lies. When he plays to his strengths, his reviews are merely amusingly harsh. If forced outside his comfort zone, they become unfairly biased.

I actually agree whole heartedly. As he said in the Tabula Rasa review, he Hates MMorpgs. So its not likely hes gonna give them a fair shake. If you go into a game with the "Lets see what flavor of shit sandwich this game will be" mindset, then however good the game is yer still gonna be getting a review of a shit sandwich.

Im honestly waiting for the inevitable review of WAR where the trashes it up and down for being just like Wow

 

[nastykerm]

That must have been very cool and gratifying for you but thats not the average player's take of EVE. The average player sees how big and hard and long it is and runs away. IF they stay, then they tend to have to wait quite a while to get inot a corp that will back them up in fights (Yes Ive seen the SP requirements a lot of 0.0 corps have.)

It is what you make of it. Some head off to 0.0 at once, others hug empire space. And if you are worried about SP's, you could join goonswarm as they take in anyone

As for the community, I have noticed the increase of immature idiots over the last years. It started degenerating after SWG failed, and people who got bored with wow arrived. The massive influx of new players changed the community. But I can say this, that there are still many great people in the game.

 

[nastykerm]

EDIT: And since we're going with that analogy, you do have to pay to play EVE, remember. So in essence you're still buying a busy hooker who apparently is "the shit."

backfired lol.

 

[TaboriHK]

I actually agree whole heartedly. As he said in the Tabula Rasa review, he Hates MMorpgs. So its not likely hes gonna give them a fair shake. If you go into a game with the "Lets see what flavor of shit sandwich this game will be" mindset, then however good the game is yer still gonna be getting a review of a shit sandwich.

There's a difference between uncompromising and unfair. He doesn't wake up every Wednesday looking forward to shitting on the faces of MMORPG crowds. He said that while WoW was not his idea of fun it was probably the best the genre had to offer, with no negative follow-up, which means that even though he doesn't enjoy it, it's not necessarily unenjoyable.

 

[nastykerm]

He said that while WoW was not his idea of fun it was probably the best the genre had to offer, with no negative follow-up, which means that even though he doesn't enjoy it, it's not necessarily unenjoyable.

Thing is, wow is not that.

Wow is a grinder with no purpose. It requires no IQ or intellect, a credit card is all thats required and thats how it was designed. It was designed for casual players who could 'get into the game after 5 minutes' because they are casuals and don't want any challenges.

So when he claims wow is the best of the genre, it makes him look unqualefied to make such a judgement.

 

[TaboriHK]

You are absolutely 100% wrong. Raid something halfway difficult and you'll understand why. That statement alone makes me question your ability to judge, since you are clearly doing the exact same thing you claim Yahtzee to be guilty of.

 

[AngryMan]

The first fight I ever got into in EVE was when I wandered into the wrong place and got zapped and podded by guys in battleships. My frigate (the only ship I could fly at the time - we didnt get that neat 800,000 starting SP bonus you newbs do)

FYI, I'm a 2005 player. I started with 90,000 SP. I ain't no newb ^_^.

 

[Laice]

dyou know what the best thing about EvE is?

The idiots slating it on this forum dont play it ^.^
their loss

jeesus its a game..........

 

[yourkie1921]

Yes. EVE for the first few weeks is about as exciting as a clerical job, with lofty promises of epic PVP combat too far to reach for the average gamer. Just because you have extreme patience doesn't mean you should lack the inability to acknowledge that this is a niche game for a niche crowd, and that not everyone is going to love it.

Dont get this the wrong way, but imagine if one viewed girls in the same fashion. Why spend time get to knowing a nice girl and then eventually get in her pants when you can just buy a hooker and get dirty after 5 minutes?

Just as in RL, something is worth the wait. And sometimes the wait is a part of the fun. If, you can see the big picture that is.

It depends. Are you having sex just to have sex or because you enjoy being intimate with girls you're attracted to. If you're seriously thinking "should I go do a hooker or my girlfriend" it's the former. If you're just trying to have sex you should go get a hooker. If you want to be intimate than you should go get a girlfriend. There's no other option anyway .

 

[Laice]

Yes. EVE for the first few weeks is about as exciting as a clerical job, with lofty promises of epic PVP combat too far to reach for the average gamer. Just because you have extreme patience doesn't mean you should lack the inability to acknowledge that this is a niche game for a niche crowd, and that not everyone is going to love it.

Dont get this the wrong way, but imagine if one viewed girls in the same fashion. Why spend time get to knowing a nice girl and then eventually get in her pants when you can just buy a hooker and get dirty after 5 minutes?

Just as in RL, something is worth the wait. And sometimes the wait is a part of the fun. If, you can see the big picture that is.

It depends. Are you having sex just to have sex or because you enjoy being intimate with girls you're attracted to. If you're seriously thinking "should I go do a hooker or my girlfriend" it's the former. If you're just trying to have sex you should go get a hooker. If you want to be intimate than you should go get a girlfriend. There's no other option anyway .

I'm not quite sure what he's arguing anymore.
But i'm pretty sure he's comparing EvE to sex from that.

 

[Buddahcjcc]

The first fight I ever got into in EVE was when I wandered into the wrong place and got zapped and podded by guys in battleships. My frigate (the only ship I could fly at the time - we didnt get that neat 800,000 starting SP bonus you newbs do)

FYI, I'm a 2005 player. I started with 90,000 SP. I ain't no newb ^_^.

wasnt aiming at anyone in specific just all the newbs that start with 800,000 sp like they do now

I dont come and piss on your car because i think its a shite colour.

Would be a valid argument if we were on EVE-O
But we're not

and comparing EVE to sex is very very very sad....

 

[nastykerm]

and comparing EVE to sex is very very very sad....

IT was an analogy. I can compary it with peeling a banana if the subject of sex makes you sad.

 

[nastykerm]

You are absolutely 100% wrong. Raid something halfway difficult and you'll understand why. That statement alone makes me question your ability to judge, since you are clearly doing the exact same thing you claim Yahtzee to be guilty of.

So you are a wow player/former player? The plot thickens.

 

[NRooster]

I think it's telling how the best defense put forth by EVE fans is that Yahtzee was essentially playing the game incorrectly, or at least playing in such a way as to eliminate any possible fun.

I played the EVE trial as well, and in a similar manner as Yahtzee (that is, I played as though I might stop playing shortly rather than assuming I had any real future with the game). I assumed, like anyone playing a trial should, that there was a large portion of the game that would be unavailable to me in the relatively short time I had to play. Still, never during the trial did anything I saw in-game suggest to me that I wasn't playing the game "correctly". I trudged through the boring tutorial, I completed missions, I shot some things and mined others, I flew around an explored; I did everything the game suggested I do and even messed around a bit on my own. Once again, I never got the slightest hint that I wasn't playing like any regular EVE subscriber did.

And it was boring. Terribly so. The game had no hook; nothing to convince me to stick around and wait for things to get better. I'm not talking about "instant gratification", I'm talking about the game not presenting me with any goal or mechanic that I felt would be worth sticking around to watch unfold. If people like Yahtzee and myself are "playing it wrong", why does the game allow us to do that? If we're supposed to create our own fun, don't you think it's a tall order to charge a person for a blank canvas and then expect them to paint their own masterpiece in 14 days?

 

[ikalugin]

The problem is this is a sandbox where aliences like RedSwarm and BOB kill each other. EVE is too similar to the real world sport section - some teams make it a second (or even first) job while others go to get some funn. The point of the game is not to get the best equipment and kill all of the boses (although i find the thought that i would get a carier in about 150 days satisfiing). Its about politics, economics, military tactics ect. So if u do get a corp (or join one) u get into all this. The problem is it is a bit hardcore. You do need a bit (well a lot) of experience to get to that.

So if u dont whant to play epic pvp or create an emprire of your own and play politics (u might get even asasinated) dont really bother.
Becouse it takes didication not in caracter skill training but in personal player traing.

 

[nastykerm]

I think it's telling how the best defense put forth by EVE fans is that Yahtzee was essentially playing the game incorrectly, or at least playing in such a way as to eliminate any possible fun.

I bet chess is boring also if you expect pleasure after 3 minutes of playing. Some games are more complex than others, you cant get to know a complex mmo like EVE by simply sctratching the surface.

 

[TaboriHK]

You are absolutely 100% wrong. Raid something halfway difficult and you'll understand why. That statement alone makes me question your ability to judge, since you are clearly doing the exact same thing you claim Yahtzee to be guilty of.

So you are a wow player/former player? The plot thickens.

Yep. My guild is currently working on Illidan. I know it's a little late but I'm on a backwater server with not many people so it's actually quite an accomplishment.

 

[FishMittens]

Just like to say I loved the review, Yahtzee's reviews crack me up every week.

I've been playing eve since 2006 and some of the pro-eve comments seem to be missing one important point that is what IMO makes eve different from all the other "grind" MMOs out there.

It's to my knowledge the only MMOs that actively allows players to pirate, steal, scam and spy on other players. Its the freedom to choose how you want to play the game that attracted me to eve in the 1st place.

Also infiltration sabotage and theft from player run corporation is all completely allowed and actively performed in the game on a regular basis.

All the comments about "you have to join a corporation to enjoy the game" are not strictly true, although this is the fastest way to learn the game, especially pvp. One of the aspects I enjoy most in eve, is going out solo, deep into hostile territory, looking for juicy targets to kill. The satisfaction you get from blowing up somebody's shiny expensive spaceship who does nothing but grind NPCs to accumulate wealth (lovingly referred to a carebare in eve) is what keeps me playing.

This being said, eve seems to be going the way of other MMOs as it gets more popular, as its creators seem to be increasingly introducing changes that protect the people that are only interested in the grind, as its these WOW style players that bring the money in.

Eves not perfect, the learning curve is horrendously long, and IMO its impossible to enjoy any of its main traits on the trail.

If you wish to enjoy the game instantly the only way todo this is to buy a pvp character for about $500

 

[filthgrinder]

Also infiltration sabotage and theft from player run corporation is all completely allowed and actively performed in the game on a regular basis.

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's "allowed" as if its OKAY to do so. The option to do so is there, just like the option to steal a snickers bar from a store, but it doent make it alright to do it.