Zero Punctuation: Eve Online
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
- Start date
Recommended Videos
I may have posted here already but for the lols I will do so again.
The starting days of EVE are hard and unfriendly, especially for people who don't have someone else to guide them through it and give them a boost - of money, of gear, of someone to answer question, whatever.
This is a flaw in the game design. The game is designed to have a lot of things for you to do and a lot of things that you can specialize in, and to specialize in something to the competency of most other similiarly specialized players takes about a month. This isn't so bad once you have a number of things under your belt, but the first one is pretty bad.
Pile on top of that is the fact that it makes the most logical sense to train core and learning skills which always apply to everything and you get a system that, once you're in, moving around isnt hard... but getting in is frustrating and seems like it requires a seemingly endless list of things to do.
EVE is a game where your capability increases sharply as time goes on, more so than with other games. in City of Heroes, my one character can do maybe one thing, and if I want a different set of abilities I need a new character, which means I need to earn all of the "core" powers and level-based abilities again. In EVE, that's not a problem. You retain your core skills and simply add new ones. It's like getting up to lvl 50 in one class, and then just adding the abilities of another class onto it.
To those of you who say the game doesn't require tactics and that the combat is boring:
I am specialized for one of the single most one-dimensional ships in the game - the Zealot, an advanced cruiser. It has no flexibility, no capacity for electronic warfare gizmos, no utility hardpoints to fit anti-frigate defense, no drone bay. The ship exists for the sole purpose of shooting things with guns.
There are two levels of strategy involved here -
how do I choose to fit the ship / what role do I want to fill (do I want to go for maximum damage, or maximum range, or tracking, or a tank) / how do i figure out the best fit to fulfill the chosen role,
AND
once I enter combat, I have to make sure that I don't lose my ship by being aware of where people are in space, what they are likely to be fitting, can they hit me, and I have to try to maximize the effectiveness of my chosen role - i.e., if my chosen role is to take out small and lightly tanked ships, then I have to look for those and shoot them before helping the rest of the gang take out larger ships.
For extra fun, try do do this while actually being in charge of the fleet (calling primary targets, keeping track of enemy reinforcements and friendly intel), or fly a ship that can do many things at once, or many things.
I'm speaking 100% about PVP, of course. PVE is laughably easy if you have a clue and is another area of the game that needs improvement.
The starting days of EVE are hard and unfriendly, especially for people who don't have someone else to guide them through it and give them a boost - of money, of gear, of someone to answer question, whatever.
This is a flaw in the game design. The game is designed to have a lot of things for you to do and a lot of things that you can specialize in, and to specialize in something to the competency of most other similiarly specialized players takes about a month. This isn't so bad once you have a number of things under your belt, but the first one is pretty bad.
Pile on top of that is the fact that it makes the most logical sense to train core and learning skills which always apply to everything and you get a system that, once you're in, moving around isnt hard... but getting in is frustrating and seems like it requires a seemingly endless list of things to do.
EVE is a game where your capability increases sharply as time goes on, more so than with other games. in City of Heroes, my one character can do maybe one thing, and if I want a different set of abilities I need a new character, which means I need to earn all of the "core" powers and level-based abilities again. In EVE, that's not a problem. You retain your core skills and simply add new ones. It's like getting up to lvl 50 in one class, and then just adding the abilities of another class onto it.
To those of you who say the game doesn't require tactics and that the combat is boring:
I am specialized for one of the single most one-dimensional ships in the game - the Zealot, an advanced cruiser. It has no flexibility, no capacity for electronic warfare gizmos, no utility hardpoints to fit anti-frigate defense, no drone bay. The ship exists for the sole purpose of shooting things with guns.
There are two levels of strategy involved here -
how do I choose to fit the ship / what role do I want to fill (do I want to go for maximum damage, or maximum range, or tracking, or a tank) / how do i figure out the best fit to fulfill the chosen role,
AND
once I enter combat, I have to make sure that I don't lose my ship by being aware of where people are in space, what they are likely to be fitting, can they hit me, and I have to try to maximize the effectiveness of my chosen role - i.e., if my chosen role is to take out small and lightly tanked ships, then I have to look for those and shoot them before helping the rest of the gang take out larger ships.
For extra fun, try do do this while actually being in charge of the fleet (calling primary targets, keeping track of enemy reinforcements and friendly intel), or fly a ship that can do many things at once, or many things.
I'm speaking 100% about PVP, of course. PVE is laughably easy if you have a clue and is another area of the game that needs improvement.
Never said it before, but all I can really do is agree with Yahtzee's assessment. The first six hours of the game is you sitting in a ship, and the next lifetime will be you... mining rocks. To make some money for some guy because that guy's important. I don't really need a virtual rock mining simulator. Better things to do and all that.
Your right! Thats a perfect excuse to spend 20 more years learning a game! So, does Eve have graduate courses because you mentioned us needing school in RL.lordshinchan said:
Why would you play a game thats "mature" in that sort of sense? Accounting is also mature and lacking children but it isnt any fun.
And the griefing. Oh god. Im going to quote a wired magazine article.
Thays right. An actual quote near the middle by a player with hundreds of people backing him who makes it his purpose to destroy things other people spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours getting. And the game rewards him.
So, to sum it up. The game is mature in the balancing checkbooks way while also being Mature in the same sense that GTA is Mature because you can kill anyone you meet. Only the avatars represent real time and money so your causing actual harm.
[sarcasm] Totally rocks, doesnt it? [/sarcasm]
EVE rocks...Muphin_Mann said:
Yahtzee rocks...
The review rocks...
Sarcasm rocks...
It ALL just ROCKS!!!
hit the nail right on the head. Eve is the single worst game I've seen. After wasting about 4 hours getting through the tutorial I was "playing" which was sitting there waiting to see whether I'd win the automated fight with a pirate. pathetic game, gg for calling a spade a spade yahtzee
I once tried the trial for eve online.
Not a very good game in my opinion.
The tutorial takes forever and you have to go through the whole 2 hours of it to know the minimum basics of the game. Seems like a game you have to spend a week learning how to play before you actually play it.
then when you play it it sucks.
anyone ever played Planetside? thats good; its an MMOFPS, the only one of its kind (or at least the first)
but its owned by SOE and is therefore slowly dieing due to neglection.
Not a very good game in my opinion.
The tutorial takes forever and you have to go through the whole 2 hours of it to know the minimum basics of the game. Seems like a game you have to spend a week learning how to play before you actually play it.
then when you play it it sucks.
anyone ever played Planetside? thats good; its an MMOFPS, the only one of its kind (or at least the first)
but its owned by SOE and is therefore slowly dieing due to neglection.
I tried the 14 day free trial and I have to say I was interested for about 1 hour. Than I got out of the character customization screen and quickly got bored by the huge, huge amount of controls that bewildered me and quickly drained all the fun out of the game.
To be honest I never like MMO's they somehow always seem to annoy me with pointless grind where you immediately lose your advantage over other players if you don't play every single day. Not saying they are bad games just saying they aren't made to amuse ME.
But Eve bored me the most why because in most MMO's you are close enough to the slavering monstrosity to hack at him but in Eve you shoot at things from 3000 km's away thus taking any directness away from the combat and making it even more boring seeing as you can't see projectiles fly at your enemy and knock out a big section of hull or any degradation at all.
To be honest I never like MMO's they somehow always seem to annoy me with pointless grind where you immediately lose your advantage over other players if you don't play every single day. Not saying they are bad games just saying they aren't made to amuse ME.
But Eve bored me the most why because in most MMO's you are close enough to the slavering monstrosity to hack at him but in Eve you shoot at things from 3000 km's away thus taking any directness away from the combat and making it even more boring seeing as you can't see projectiles fly at your enemy and knock out a big section of hull or any degradation at all.
I don't entirely understand what your saying about comparing the oceans to space, but if you're saying that it's easier to explore space than it is the oceans, then I concur. However, it is a fact that we know more about space, or maybe it was just the moon, then we know about the oceans. Which makes sense considering to explore space you need to send a probe out there and look at it through a telescope. As for the oceans, I believe the ocean floor is 5000m down, and the water pressure goes like this: 10m, double sea level air pressure, 20m, triple sea level air pressure, and so on. Which obviously makes exploration really difficult, especially considering the visibility down there.Fronken said:
What i was saying is that we have explored a bigger % of our oceans than we have space, seeing as with the oceans we know approximately how much there is, as for space, its nothing more than speculations.Lonan said:
So exploring the oceans is easier than exploring space, seeing as there's no telling how big space is, and with the oceans we'll probably figure out how to withstand the enormous pressure sooner or later, but i doubt mankind will ever be able to explore all of space.
On impulse I recently downloaded the free trial for this game and now I know exactly what he meant by all of those statements at the moment I have to wait 10 hours to delete the accounts I possess at the moment because the 1st I fell into a performance paradox where I attempted to buy a better version of my gun but on installation I was grated by the no charge message so i attempted to switch back and again no charge unless a purchase a better power crystal thing( for the gun I all ready had ) where as I have no money because I purchased a rocket launcher which I couldn?t fit because of the awesomeness level thing mentioned in the review, Which I cant sell it for some reason I tried to purchase the better weapon because I keep getting killed on a mission so I created a new account where I learned from my mistakes and got to the same mission but after I logged of one time the mission no longer is listed and I cant progress any more I could blame the unintuitive interface as mentioned or my lack of experience of MMO?s or a combination
Loved the review, and one of the best things about it in my opinion is that I had an advertisment for EVE online above the video the whole time.