Zero Punctuation: Monster Hunter Tri
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The thing that has annoyed most people is Yahtzee obviously didn't play this game for more than an hour, if at all. A lot of the things he complains about become irrelevant later on and are more to do with tutorial like missions for new players. There are plenty of legitimate things to complain about, lack of monsters not really being one of them. Also, you should never have to grind unless you suck, in which case grinding may help you to suck less as well as collecting shiny parts.
It's just a pathetic review of what is an awesome game if you give it a decent chance. I don't care if he was bored, he played FF13 for 5 hours he should have at least shown Monster Hunter the same respect. There's not even any angsty teenagers.
NOTE:
This game has very few RPG elements, it's a J-Action/Adventure game.
There are some very violent monsters that will tear you a new hole.
There should be a lot more blood! Damn censorship.
The camera controls do suck on a Wii remote.
If they upgraded the graphics and had this on a PS3 or X360, it would have rocked!
It's just a pathetic review of what is an awesome game if you give it a decent chance. I don't care if he was bored, he played FF13 for 5 hours he should have at least shown Monster Hunter the same respect. There's not even any angsty teenagers.
NOTE:
This game has very few RPG elements, it's a J-Action/Adventure game.
There are some very violent monsters that will tear you a new hole.
There should be a lot more blood! Damn censorship.
The camera controls do suck on a Wii remote.
If they upgraded the graphics and had this on a PS3 or X360, it would have rocked!
I heard many great things about this game from online friends, and asked a real life friend to bring it over so I could give it a try, and after 2 hours I gave up out of boredom. I reported this to my online friends, and they responded that I couldn't get past the "tutorial" phase and that the real fun comes later (like how many of the fans here are declaring).
I can't deny that the game is more fun later on, but the introduction does not do a good job of inspiring me to play through the game. I found it difficult to "slow walk" over to talk to people in town without running and staggering past them, and later my online friends told me that I don't even need to TALK to the townsfolk, and in fact they encouraged me to ignore them and just jump right into the heart of the combat. They also told me that I should just ignore the offline single player mode and only play online.
Now, don't get me wrong, but if I need people outside of the game explaining to me how to ENJOY the game, something is terribly wrong with the game itself.
I'm not trying to rag on Monster Hunter specifically, but a whole list of modern games that seem to do this. Nobody would complain if Yahtzee played one hour of Pac Man before reviewing it, but with a game like Monster Hunter that is unacceptable, and that reflects the game more than it does Yahtzee or ourselves. Games are changing, and as I get older and have less free time for myself, I want games that either jump straight into the action (Classic Mega Man, Classic Mario, Team Fortress 2) or integrate "tutorials" with the level design itself (Portal, Plants vs Zombies).
Still, that's just my personal preference. As a critic/reviewer/humorist, it behooves Yahtzee to play as much of a game as possible so he has more information to deal with. He could still easily joke that he "only played 4 hours" before he got bored and quit where in reality he played through the entire game (in some instances I think this may be the case, but it's only a hunch).
So as far as Yahtzee's job is concerned, I think he should play as much of a game as possible before critiquing it, but as far as the game itself is concerned, we as gamers should not have to suffer through "boring" parts in order to get to the "fun" parts. There already exist games that are fun from the first moment we start it up, so we shouldn't have to settle for less. I think this is something that fans and non-fans alike can agree upon.
-Pi
I can't deny that the game is more fun later on, but the introduction does not do a good job of inspiring me to play through the game. I found it difficult to "slow walk" over to talk to people in town without running and staggering past them, and later my online friends told me that I don't even need to TALK to the townsfolk, and in fact they encouraged me to ignore them and just jump right into the heart of the combat. They also told me that I should just ignore the offline single player mode and only play online.
Now, don't get me wrong, but if I need people outside of the game explaining to me how to ENJOY the game, something is terribly wrong with the game itself.
I'm not trying to rag on Monster Hunter specifically, but a whole list of modern games that seem to do this. Nobody would complain if Yahtzee played one hour of Pac Man before reviewing it, but with a game like Monster Hunter that is unacceptable, and that reflects the game more than it does Yahtzee or ourselves. Games are changing, and as I get older and have less free time for myself, I want games that either jump straight into the action (Classic Mega Man, Classic Mario, Team Fortress 2) or integrate "tutorials" with the level design itself (Portal, Plants vs Zombies).
Still, that's just my personal preference. As a critic/reviewer/humorist, it behooves Yahtzee to play as much of a game as possible so he has more information to deal with. He could still easily joke that he "only played 4 hours" before he got bored and quit where in reality he played through the entire game (in some instances I think this may be the case, but it's only a hunch).
So as far as Yahtzee's job is concerned, I think he should play as much of a game as possible before critiquing it, but as far as the game itself is concerned, we as gamers should not have to suffer through "boring" parts in order to get to the "fun" parts. There already exist games that are fun from the first moment we start it up, so we shouldn't have to settle for less. I think this is something that fans and non-fans alike can agree upon.
-Pi
there is one other thing he completely forgot, the Arema mode
the one where you are locked in a small room with the HUGE FUCKING MONSTER TRYING TO STEAMROLLER YOU!
because I played this series before,the first thing I did was to go into the arena, and fight qurupecco, to get some rust of my metaphorical gears, if he wanted monsters instantlyasinNAO!!11!, he should have fought there.
yahtzee, everyone seems to have noticed that you didn't play anything after the tutorial, why dont you try for a bit longer, and then actually post on this thread, preferably with some ACTUAL REASONS.
the one where you are locked in a small room with the HUGE FUCKING MONSTER TRYING TO STEAMROLLER YOU!
because I played this series before,the first thing I did was to go into the arena, and fight qurupecco, to get some rust of my metaphorical gears, if he wanted monsters instantlyasinNAO!!11!, he should have fought there.
yahtzee, everyone seems to have noticed that you didn't play anything after the tutorial, why dont you try for a bit longer, and then actually post on this thread, preferably with some ACTUAL REASONS.
I Must say that the cover art looked pretty encouraging, at least in the capacity that the game would be fun. Though if it is a game about collection and improvement of non essential things, I can't see it being very fun. For this reason I can see why the connection was made with MMO's. Though a single player MMO would not be very fun in my opinion. I like to play MMO's, and I don't mind the grinding aspects. Though part of what makes the grinding in MMO's fun are the friends you play with. It benefits them as well as yourself, and the adventure doesn't have to necessarily end. Great video all the same ^~^!
It's not a single player game. Yahztee just refuses to play online games and forgets to mention this fact. The game is primarily designed around 4 player online cooperative boss fight missions against huge dragons and what not.Waif said:
As for the grinding part. That's not really true either. The vast majority of the game consists of huge boss fights, which can last anywhere from 20-40 minutes to kill. At most, one of the few things which could be considered grinding is you might play the bosses multiple times in order to gain some items to upgrade something, but the bosses are complex and varied enough to prevent it from becoming tedious. (At least in my opinion, I found the bosses to be entertaining enough for that. Although, that may vary from person to person.)
The gathering thing is almost completely irrelevant. The only reason why he was gathering stuff is because he never played past the tutorial. The tutorial introduces you to the most basic mechanics and tries to ease you into them very slowly so you don't get confused, which basically involves them telling you to pick things like mushroom because it wants to demonstrate how you can use these items for combining into things like potions and what not, which is never actually required later on, and is more a means of teaching you survival skills to assist in fighting said gigantic dragons, etc, as you can whip together some sort of item really quickly out of the environment, which might vary from something like a trap, bomb, gun ammution, potions, sharpening stones, etc. That's about it. All the other items you need come primarily from killing the bosses.
Unfortunately nobody would actually realize this from watching Yahtzee's 'review', considering he never mentioned a single word about the boss fights or anything else for that matter, to the point of blatant false advertisement.
After seeing those videos, all of yahtzee's complaints seem minimal or when compared to the question "Are there any decently fast weapons?"vagabondRaiser said:
Unpopular? Who gives a shit how popular it is?
Does this mean the wii finally works online without being laggy as all hell?KelsieKatt said:
Wow, it seems like all the worst parts of the game will be revealed by people trying to defend it.
Yup, judging by the people defending this game, the complaints about it being a boring grindfest will no longer even be noticeable.AdamG3691 said:
I've never had any issues on Monster Hunter 3, so I would say so.mike1921 said:
It's also one of the few games I know of which completely bypasses the entire friend code system and uses Capcom's own private servers to play on. On top of that, the monsters themselves don't seem to be really based exclusively on the server to begin with, nor does your own character, so whatever actions you perform just seem to flat out register no matter the circumstance.
At most, I've seen other players in my group teleport for half a second ahead of where they were standing, but it almost never happens and doesn't cause any gameplay issues, as you don't need to know exactly where your teammate is 100% seamlessly, though it's rarely happens to begin with.
Well, it's not exactly a simple game by any means. The first Monster Hunter game on PS2 pretty much dropped you straight into fighting stuff with little explanation and people got really upset because they had no idea what they were doing.mike1921 said:
As a result, Capcom made a fairly slow paced tutorial in order to ease people into how the game functions this time around. Which has resulted in people complaining that they're bored.
In the end though, if you can get past that, or for that matter, you could simply ignore it and just jump into online play right off the bat, or arena mode, it's a very different game than the initial impression it gives after the first hour or so.
So, it has an hour long tutorial? Since when is that "fairly slow"? That's unimaginably slow. And I'm assuming you only saying you could ignore it and jump into online play or the arena mode means you can't just skip it and do the other single player parts?KelsieKatt said:
Unfortunately no, you can't. Which I would agree is annoying as fuck, considering that I've been playing the series since the first game so I already know what I'm doing, which is extremely tedious if I just want to kill stuff. >_<mike1921 said:
It would be nice if they would remember these kinds of things when trying to dumb stuff down for casual players, as there should be an option to skip past the entire segment if you already know what you're doing. -_-
If the tutorial lasts significantly longer than oblivion's, and I can't skip it, and the tutorial itself isn't fun, for me that's enough of a reason not to even consider renting a game.KelsieKatt said:
Judging by yahtzee's opinion of the game (or you say the tutorial), it was a bad idea whether you know what you're doing or not.
Well, I can't exactly blame you for feeling that way, although, in the end I still personally feel the other dozens and dozens of hours worth of gameplay is worthwhile in the end.mike1921 said:
CAPS LOCK! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!Gypsyhatten said:
Are we seriously doubting Yahtzee's opinion because he didn't play it fully? That would take fucking hours, years, millenia even. I played FFXIII fully and regretted it. If I'd have given up on it 5 hours in like Yahtzee did I would have missed nothing. You see, Monster Hunter is a game that cannot be beaten. It makes you think it is possible, but it isn't. Besides, games are supposed to be entertaining from the moment you pop them into a console. Not 10 hours in. Where is the initial hook? Why should I spend time or money on a game that is neither immediately engaging, interesting or fun? I've read books that are more engaging than Monster Hunter.
Ha, another good one.
Of course. I'd be a complete moron to use his videos as a proper review (Except if he likes them, then that makes me want it.)
But, the compaining seems like the hate mail he got from SSB Brawl.
He's good at gaming, he likes to complain about things, and he mentioned about the monster that of course it was too hard for him to beat, but he wasn't exactly pissing himself about it. (Literaly) <-- That was in response to the first comment I saw, page 13 or something.
But anyway, nice video, as always.
Of course. I'd be a complete moron to use his videos as a proper review (Except if he likes them, then that makes me want it.)
But, the compaining seems like the hate mail he got from SSB Brawl.
He's good at gaming, he likes to complain about things, and he mentioned about the monster that of course it was too hard for him to beat, but he wasn't exactly pissing himself about it. (Literaly) <-- That was in response to the first comment I saw, page 13 or something.
But anyway, nice video, as always.
Well, the part in particular that he mentioned about the sea serpent boss, wasn't actually a boss mission. It's part of the tutorial in which they have that enemy appear and the instructor tells you "Oh crap. It's the sea monster that destroyed the village. Run for your life." Which is exactly what you do, as you're not supposed to fight it because it's much too powerful for that to even be possible at the time.Sketches said:
That's about it. The reason why it never showed up again while he was standing by the water, was that was only for demonstration purposes, and you don't actually bump into it in any other mission until much later in the game.
That does make sense. But alot of people would wait there for a while, and play the game wondering what the hell happened to continuiety now-a-daysKelsieKatt said:
