Zero Punctuation: Papers, Please and Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
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I'm probably not the first one to reply but who cares. Papers, Please is a game about working on the border of a communist country. The "No trannies, No fatties " jokes was making fun of the insane political changes in the game(who you can and can't let in your country changes with time). I don't know if you've studied history but during the Cold War communist countries didn't have reasonable and fair treatment to all minorities especially when it comes to border control.Psykoma said:
Nice review. I think I may actually look into Papers, please. Sounds like an interesting concept if nothing else.
As for the whole "joke" issue. I find it hard to believe that people are being offended by Yahtzee. Yahtzee, the same man who has made a career out of slamming games, people, and all groups of people. So yes, he made a comment that was a little more edgy then he has been in the last few years. I welcome a return to form for him.
As for the whole "joke" issue. I find it hard to believe that people are being offended by Yahtzee. Yahtzee, the same man who has made a career out of slamming games, people, and all groups of people. So yes, he made a comment that was a little more edgy then he has been in the last few years. I welcome a return to form for him.
If a small joke about a tranny is "edgy" I don't know what a much crasser joke about concentration camps is.
The bottom line is this: either accept all jokes or don't accept any of them.
That's really all there is to it. Anything else and you're a bunch of hypocrites. I'm very disappointed all around. In The Escapist that caved in. In the representative(s) of the transgender community that proved yet again that they are completely and utterly void of humor.
The bottom line is this: either accept all jokes or don't accept any of them.
That's really all there is to it. Anything else and you're a bunch of hypocrites. I'm very disappointed all around. In The Escapist that caved in. In the representative(s) of the transgender community that proved yet again that they are completely and utterly void of humor.
Zero Punctuation? More like zero integrity. Since one demographic was labeled as "special" and you're not allowed to make any sort of jokes towards it, how long until Ben can't make jokes about gays, straights, furries, otherkin, or any ethnic groups?
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Man, the holocaust was such a chuckle, right, Escapist? I demand that you remove that joke too. It's offensive.
I got kicked out of my adopted family's home whilst I was below the age of 18. I got on with it and stayed in the YMCA before joining the Army. Do I take jokes about homeless kids, adopted kids and soldiers seriously? No!ErinBeee said:
Out of interest, what is a person with female breasts and a penis referred to as?
Jews don't get daily harassment and violence for being Jewish anymore and none the current generation experienced the holocaust. Transgender folk face constant harassment and violence everyday from people they don't even know. Transgender people are at higher risk of being killed than anyone else in the world. There has been a transgender woman murdered almost every week this past summer and two this very week in America. Keep in mind there aren't that many of us to begin with so that makes so many murders even more significant.alright_television said:
As a transsexual woman myself, I don't want my escapism from reality to also be spitting on me and my whole identity like the majority of people I meet in life do. So yes, for something that is supposed to be entertaining, I find it very personally offensive.
Unless they openly tell they have a penis, refer to them as women. Transwomen, Transgender woman, and Transgirl are all acceptable in private conversations, but you shouldn't refer to them as such in public. Outing a transgender person opens the high possibility of them being verbally and/or physically harassed. You wouldn't want people to judge you socially by the size of your penis and that be part of regular public conversation, would you?shakeymacshake said:
The funny thing about that is how it doesn't make the holocaust joke any less "offensive". That said, I'm sure the threat is very much real but I will always be an enemy of censorship. I firmly believe that turning any minority into a special case that you cannot under any circumstance treat like "normal people", that has to be pampered and protected, is hurting that minority and making acceptance harder to come by.Turbo_ski said:
Here's the gist of it all: Take a joke like everyone else. You're not special.
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It was the analogy based around that sentence that implied that transwomen were not women that victimized transgender individuals.
The "No Trannies" sign is fine - that's A) Rules of a Soviet era communist country and B) Literally part of the game; you must turn away transsexual people.
Anyway, I think this topic (transgender/gender identity) is literally the single worst topic possible to ever discuss on a forum. The reason is that most people (99%+ of the population) has never even spent a full 10 seconds doing critical thinking on this subject, trying to put themselves in the shoes of the individual in question, done any research to understand how far transgender discrimination actually goes, what the causes/symptoms/solutions are, or even the different definitions of sex and gender.
Because of that, almost every single post on this topic will be bad. The bad posters in question probably aren't even bad people at all - they just have spent approximately three seconds thinking about the subject (and zero seconds researching it) and therefore will usually say something stupid even if they don't intend it.
It's the people who spend three seconds thinking about it and then cling heavily to that three-second-belief even after being presented with information to the contrary that are a massive annoyance in this threads, as well.
[Note: normally I would be on the other side of this debate, so please don't presume me the homophobic dullard this may make me appear.]Simca said:
Too be fair he did say pre-op, so regardless of how they see themselves, it is a human male body, and as homosexuality is the: "romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender".
EDIT: note the use of the word "human" and not "person", as they are different things
What the hell is wrong with you people it wasn't a joke against transgendered people the joke basically is that the person does not want to seem gay so they "suck-off" pre-op transgendered women because they are considered women but they still have male sexual organs the person can preform sexual acts with a male organs wile trying not to come of as gay its not supposed to be offensive to anyone but regardless of all the controversial jokes he's made for some reason some people take this one as some sort of serious attack.
Y'know, all this controversy aside (I mean coming to the point where Yahtzee actually went back and changed the dialogue, I think that's a first)
I thought this was one of the funnier episodes of ZP, and one of the very few where he A. Reviewed a game I hadn't heard of and B. Actually convinced me to buy it (I mean I haven't picked up Papers, Please yet, but I'm going to)
I thought this was one of the funnier episodes of ZP, and one of the very few where he A. Reviewed a game I hadn't heard of and B. Actually convinced me to buy it (I mean I haven't picked up Papers, Please yet, but I'm going to)
Shame Yahtzee had to change the joke. I do remember him saying once that political correctness driven censorship only serves to drive groups further apart, and that tolerance is being able to laugh at any joke.
Still, I trust it wasn't his choice and the video is still pretty good. Made me quite interested in Papers Please.
Still, I trust it wasn't his choice and the video is still pretty good. Made me quite interested in Papers Please.