Why bother, when the movie it's based on is about shooting everything in the face anyway?SonOfVoorhees said:
Zero Punctuation: Star Trek
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You know 25th Anniversary had a brilliant sequel...don't you?CyborgGinger said:
Judgment Rites was not just one of the best Star Trek games but one of the best video games period.valium said:
The hypothetical sexy Next Generation reboot made me cringe and wretch a bit. Yahtzee proves further his credentials as a horror writer.
The best Star Trek Game ever is the 25th Anniversary Adventure Game. Space Combat, diplomacy, and problem solving. Just not a great action game on the ground. Second best is Star Control 2.
Mass Effect was okay - except NO SPACE COMBAT.
FTL is definitely closer.
Mass Effect was okay - except NO SPACE COMBAT.
FTL is definitely closer.
That bit about Waiting for Spock when he has been creamed by an elevator...now I just see Kirk and Vladimir standing at the exit area...
Vladimir: What do we do now?
Kirk: Wait.
Yes, but while waiting.
What about hanging ourselves?
Hmm. It'd give us an erection.
An erection!
With all that follows.
Where it falls mandrakes grow.
That's why they shriek when you pull them up.
Did you not know that?
Let's hang ourselves immediately!
...You must gather your party before venturing forth...
EDIT: Shit. Spock is Vladimir...a...a...and Kirk is Estragon!
Vladimir: What do we do now?
Kirk: Wait.
Yes, but while waiting.
What about hanging ourselves?
Hmm. It'd give us an erection.
An erection!
With all that follows.
Where it falls mandrakes grow.
That's why they shriek when you pull them up.
Did you not know that?
Let's hang ourselves immediately!
...You must gather your party before venturing forth...
EDIT: Shit. Spock is Vladimir...a...a...and Kirk is Estragon!
Hear, Hear. 25th anniversary was the best Star Trek game I've ever played. One of the best adventures of the time too.JSW said:
You been wrong many times then.Kmadden2004 said:
The best Trek game is and probably will remain: Bridge Commander. Nothing really to discuss.
Aside from that, Mass Effect has zero to do with Trek aside from being set in space and featuring preposterous aliens.
So a game where you go from planet to planet on behalf of a coalition of alien species (a federation, if you will), where you pick out two extra characters to form an away team (who will usually be the same two people) to go exploring new worlds, engage in missions where diplomacy can often hold just as much weight as firefights, and where the ship's commanding officer sleeps around with aliens...teh_gunslinger said:
Yeah, you're right, that's nothing like Star Trek, what was I thinking?
Yes it was. It was incredible. As well as the Civ-in-space thing, you also got a limited amount of control in space battles, and there were unknown anomalous entities that would require taking down.. First time I managed to take down a Borg cube I was ecstatic.b.w.irenicus said:Anyone remembers Birth of the Federation? That game was awesome (yeahactually it wasn't THAT great, but shut up ^^). You could chose to be Federation, Klingon, Romulans or Cadassians and build your space empire like in Civilisation. I was a huge sucker for Star Strek and especially DS9 at the time so I absolutly loved it.
Captchs: run amok -> No, I won't
Definitely the best ST game, although Elite Force, Bridge Commander and to a lesser extent Armada were also good.
The best Star Trek games are as followed in no particular order:
1: Starfleet Command series- Orion Pirates was the best out that bunch.
2: Bridge Commander- A brilliant space combat sim with a good story.
3: Klingon Academy- It's like Bridge Commander only more complex with different space environments. Planet rings were the best.
4: Elite force- Good all round FPS
5: Birth of the Federation: Once you got past the UI it was true little gem.
This game however was blagh. Just plain old blagh.
1: Starfleet Command series- Orion Pirates was the best out that bunch.
2: Bridge Commander- A brilliant space combat sim with a good story.
3: Klingon Academy- It's like Bridge Commander only more complex with different space environments. Planet rings were the best.
4: Elite force- Good all round FPS
5: Birth of the Federation: Once you got past the UI it was true little gem.
This game however was blagh. Just plain old blagh.
Why are these movie-licensed games so terrible most of the time? Do they hire morons for all of them? Do they screw them over with the release dates? Fucking hell! This shouldn't be ignored. It makes games look inferior to movies in some peoples miserable minds.
Also, I want to hear about more games with space combat which is another genre that's hidden under all the grey FPS garbage.
Also, I want to hear about more games with space combat which is another genre that's hidden under all the grey FPS garbage.
There are a few problems with licensed games, most of the time it has to do with the demands put on the developing team.Nazulu said:
Most of the time the developers are put into crunch time to release the game alongside the movie release, so they have very little time to rush out a project.
Secondly, there's a problem with translating a two-hour movie into a 10-hour or however long game, so there needs to be a lot of filler that isn't necessarily relevant to the movie.
Thirdly, and I'm almost positive this happened with this particular game, publishers will push developers to throw in any mechanic that's popular into the game because they think it will get them sales.
Publisher: "Cover-based shooters are really popular right now. We need to have this in the game!"
Developer: "But sir, we're already two months into development and--"
P: "I don't care, we need to have it! Throw it in!"
Instead of being built around a core mechanic, it's an unfocused, half-assed amalgamation of whatever mechanics are popular at the time, with little thought put into how to implement them.
Yeah, that sounds like the best bet. I've been rambling on lately about how publishers should just back off and have no say in the creative work at all (unless it's like spending too much on something). I just thought after all this time of making this same mistake for over a decade now that they would wise up.Taunta said:
Maybe the developers should ask in advanced if they're suddenly going to fuck everything up at some point so they can at least aim to make it smaller and have more time to do that well.
Why are Star Trek games so... unstar trekkie?
Guys: It's a bunch of dudes going around in space as ambassadors and exploring new worlds. How can people miss this point so absolutely?
Make all alien races humanoids, make em pork-able and there's the original saga right there. Next generation? I dunno, introduce a space menace going around the unknown systems messing around and the federation refusing to do anything about it due to politics until you give them proof, so you're just going around whistle blowing for proof. Dammit, make space battles incredibly hard so you get used to going around blockades instead of engaging so you make the player REALLY feel what its like to be going around uncharted space. You're not supposed to be able to fight against everything, you need to feel the LACK of federation and something to fall back on. Deep Space 9? Well... add a sim about life inside the ship, complete with having to recruit from people living in there and dinamically generated crew. Multiplayer? Have extra players be able to take command of other crew members or add additional ships.
Hell, I just included Voyager in there without realizing because It just makes sense if you think about it for five whole minutes instead of half assing a shooter/sim/adventure/action game and slapping the Star Trek label on it.
Guys: It's a bunch of dudes going around in space as ambassadors and exploring new worlds. How can people miss this point so absolutely?
Make all alien races humanoids, make em pork-able and there's the original saga right there. Next generation? I dunno, introduce a space menace going around the unknown systems messing around and the federation refusing to do anything about it due to politics until you give them proof, so you're just going around whistle blowing for proof. Dammit, make space battles incredibly hard so you get used to going around blockades instead of engaging so you make the player REALLY feel what its like to be going around uncharted space. You're not supposed to be able to fight against everything, you need to feel the LACK of federation and something to fall back on. Deep Space 9? Well... add a sim about life inside the ship, complete with having to recruit from people living in there and dinamically generated crew. Multiplayer? Have extra players be able to take command of other crew members or add additional ships.
Hell, I just included Voyager in there without realizing because It just makes sense if you think about it for five whole minutes instead of half assing a shooter/sim/adventure/action game and slapping the Star Trek label on it.
