Well, why did it deserve to get any higher? It wasn't great by any means, and after 10 minutes I had experienced everything it had to offer. There is no real reason for re-playability, and several semi-game-breaking bugs. The world was large and open, but felt dead, and after the first hour the game stopped being fun. I'd imagine Yahtzee had the same experience as I, and kept pushing on to see if it got more fun, but just found more of the same. The best thing Skyrim did was the grey choice between Stormcloaks and Imperials. In Yahtzee's own words [Though when reviewing a different title] "Everything it's done has been done before - and better". I'm surprised it even made it to five, and I'll agree with Yahtzee it was probably peer pressure. I don't get at all what everyone finds so great about it, except Jim Sterling's ideas on how the game proves the industry wrong.ThunderCavalier said:
Zero Punctuation: Top 5 of 2011
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Great video and all that. All I have to say is I agree with the final point on MW3 and BF3; can we please get back to the insane fun of old school shooters.
You're free to disagree with him, of course, but he stated quite clearly his criteria for choosing MW3 and BF3 as worst of the year. It's in the video. Something like "It's not that they're poorly made or don't achieve what they set out to do, the problem is what they represent". So he never said these games were technically worse than Call of Juarez or Mindjack. It's his list, he has complete freedom to select the criteria he uses, as long as the viewers are informed of such criteria (which he did). I don't even fully agree with him myself, but I understand his position.Gorilla Gunk said:
really? saying other opinons are WRONG because they dont praise somhing you like enough? thats the worst symptom of a raging fanboyThunderCavalier said:
and your also saying (EVERYONE ELSE loves it...why can't he?)
I dont like skyrim..its a slightly better version of Oblivion but I still dont like it...it doesnt work for me at all, at best it feels like a timesink
now dont get me wrong, as much as I disliek it Im glad it exists,
how do you know he's bad at multiplayer? mabye he JUST DOESNT LIKE multiplayer regardless of how good he isjawakiller said:
I dont like muliplayer..is it because Im bad? no, is it because while its addictive at first I start to feel really "meh" about it, that its a tinksink and Im getting bored and Id rather play somthing else
what is it with people and telling yahtzee his opinions are wrong?Gorilla Gunk said:
it sounds like your essentially saying "yeah but you should have chosen THEASE games because everyone else did and you want to fit in right?"..... (like the those effing skyrim fanboys)
also I get the feeling he trashed a game you liked, it doesnt take a genious to see the come vailid arguemnts he puts forward
Ok several questionsThunderCavalier said:
1. What is there left to innovate in the FPS Genre? name one thing
2. Battlefield 3 wasn't that good, and it was marred by the fact the EA released maps that could've been on the disc from launch, so i ask what did it innovate on? aim gun at person and shoot? wow that is an insane innovation. i mean it looks so fucking real.
3. Why does Skyrim have to be at the top of EVERY critics personal top 5 list? It's there list, and it's subjective, and completely there own opinion.
4. You do realise a top 5 is the persons Top 5 and while number one is considered the best, out of all the games this year, it was the ones he most enjoyed, isn't that enough?
I know it's his list and I understand he doesn't think MW3 or BF3 are bad gameplay wise. Still doesn't make it any less of a stupid move. All he's doing is standing on a pedestal, proselytizing and trying to make a big statement (Still not sure exactly what he means by "what they represent"). I was expecting him to really dig into another bad game like he did with Kane & Lynch 2 but instead he sat me down and tried me a lecture and expects me to nod and take him seriously. It was lame and not very funny or entertaining. This is definitely one his weaker videos.
Well I WOULD'VE got you a present Yahtzee, but do you have any idea what the shipping costs from Canada to Australia are? Besides, what would I get you? You already have everything.
I was referring more to the more diverse choice of weapons, the vehicles, and the maps, which, along with the gametypes, allowed for a more broader choice of play and would guarantee that there'd be a lot more variation in the games than what CoD has to offer.42 said:
The way I see it is that these games can just keep getting bigger and grander rather than reusing the same old hackneyed concepts again and again with better polish. CoD has "Point at shoot", "Camp", "Snipe", and "Quickscope". In Battlefield, you can be the driver of a mobile troop transport, lead a charge in a tank, stay from afar and lay havoc with a sniper or a mortar, or get in a jet and provide aerial support whilst trying not to be turned into a new addition to the dirt.
Sure, it's definitely not changing a whole lot 'yet', and it's still definitely showing some of the obvious signs of cashing-in (Karkland DLC), but given the last few shooter titles that have been released in the last few years, I consider this, at least, an attempt by someone to take something old and at least try to add some new wheels on this, and if they keep going at it, they could really make some of the best damn online battlefield experiences possible.
However, I do also concede the notion that these games are stagnating the market. I want Battlefield to continue doing what it is and making FPSs more polished and grander than they are now. At the same time, I want companies like Bethesda to keep making titles like Skyrim to boost the diversity in the market, and perhaps I'd also like Squeenix to return with a decent fucking JRPG.
I'm shocked that Call of Juarez: The Cartel wasn't on there. Also, how is MW3 or Battlefield 3 worse than MindJack? How is anything worse than MindJack? If you want to see the real problem with the gaming industry, look at shit like MindJack, The Cartel, and Duke Nukem Forever.
Then again, Yahtzee is never to be taken seriosuly. Or is he? Oh, fuck it.
Then again, Yahtzee is never to be taken seriosuly. Or is he? Oh, fuck it.
1st thought: There we go guys Both BF3 and MW3 got worst game by YZ. You can all stop the "my game is better and you suck" rant. And for goodness sakes clean up your room! All these bodies you have yet to sacrifice to the MW or BF gods is making the whole house stink!
2nd thought: When did YZ review Bastion?
2nd thought: When did YZ review Bastion?
I fail to see how he could give a valid opinion on either MW3 or BF3, seeing as how he avoids multiplayer like the plague... and it's the central focus of those 2 games.Vault101 said:
It's like asking someone who's lactose intolerant to give their opinion on whole milk vs 2%. Yea, they have an opinion I'm sure. But how much is it worth really?
Yahtzee hates FPS's. We know this, we get it. At this point I'm tired of hearing him regurgitate the same shit review he gives every single one. It's getting to be as unoriginal as the very games he accuses of the crime. If he's going to review games that are outside of his field of interest, enlighten me as to why I should give a fuck what he has to say? Do you review games in genre's you hate, then expect your word to be law? I should hope not.
The video was good for a laugh, but I'll judge a game's value for myself, thanks.
Yahtzee doesnt hate FPS's (again doesnt take a genious to figure that out) he hates COD style "realistic" bland multiplayer focused FPS's....(which I hope your not implying represts everything in the FPS genre)Aeonknight said:
and I dont know if you were listening "its not like thease games were badly made or fail at what they set out to do" he hates what they REPRESENT (and its funny to hear him rip them apart) and while I bought and played (and enjoyed for a very short time) BF3 I understand what he means
its kind of like me and Skyrim...skrim shits me to no end, especially because of all the drooling adiration it gets..BUT I can give credit for what is represts (as jim said) going against all those annoying trends..and for that reason alone I'm glad it exists
and so what if his "opinion isnt vaild" on those games...go to ANY OTHER site and youll probably get 5 star reveiws if thats what you really need to affirm your liking for them, why do you get your underware in a twist over one guy reveiwing them because its funny? why dont you get your undies in a twst over the MANY people out there on the interent who complain about "brown shooters"
Looking back at all the other Top 5 (or 10) lists I've seen - as in those from the Escapist and Blistered Thumbs - I'd say the "face-pissing puppy" analogy makes sense. Because after all, who doesn't love puppies? They're cute, playful, and make you feel important, just like Skyrim (except that Skyrim is beautiful instead of cute, but you get the point). Sure, they make messes, but even the worst "carpet stains" can be cleaned out.
For context, 3 out of 6 main Escapist team members and 2 out of 3 Blistered Thumbs reviewers had Skyrim AS NUMBER ONE. However, the other reviewers did not, probably to give space for Batman and such.
For context, 3 out of 6 main Escapist team members and 2 out of 3 Blistered Thumbs reviewers had Skyrim AS NUMBER ONE. However, the other reviewers did not, probably to give space for Batman and such.
I'm surprised no mention of Deus Ex (in the good) Arkham city (same) or Saints Row 3 (in the bad).
Don't really see the point of the number one spot though, he has always stated that he doesn't like either series in the current gen,mainly due to multiplayer. Just comes across as bashing them purely because everyone else does.
I will always say, both MW and Battlefield are not the best thing in gaming by far, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist. I enjoy the singleplayer of both in the same way I would an old Schwarzenegger or Stallone movie, OTT action, but with the added bonus of dropping an airstrike on your friends.
Don't really see the point of the number one spot though, he has always stated that he doesn't like either series in the current gen,mainly due to multiplayer. Just comes across as bashing them purely because everyone else does.
I will always say, both MW and Battlefield are not the best thing in gaming by far, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist. I enjoy the singleplayer of both in the same way I would an old Schwarzenegger or Stallone movie, OTT action, but with the added bonus of dropping an airstrike on your friends.
Doesn't like FPS's you say? I'll take that bet.Vault101 said:
He didn't like Bulletstorm, Killzone 3, Brink, DNF, Red Faction, Dead Island, Resistance 3, Hard Reset, Rage, BF3, MW3, Gears 3.
Games he did like this year? Crysis 2, Fear 3 (sort of), Portal 2, Serious Sam 3.
Notice the ratio of like to dislike. To be fair, alot of those were indeed terrible. But even the ones that got it right within their genre of "bland military shooter" got a severe thrashing from him.
Also, you kinda failed to address my earlier point. If Yahtzee is giving reviews on games that aren't his cup of tea, "bland realistic military based multiplayer focused shooters" as you call them, then why should I care? It's not that I think he's wrong (hated MW3 myself actually. Also opinions can't be wrong OR right) or that my enjoyment of a game needs to be reinforced by someone over the internet, it's that when I can guess what's going to come out of his mouth before he even says it, that makes for a cliche, predictable, boring review. But that won't stop his fanboys from parroting everything he says as fact I'm sure...
As for hating those games based on what they represent, about the only one I could see him having a leg to stand on would be MW3. It is quite literally the rehash all the haters say it is. And this is coming from a fan of the series...
Gears 3? BF3? they weren't the direct cash grab sequels that MW3 was. Sure the companies that own them have made some absolute prick decisions, but rather than let game politics sway my opinion on the game, how about I let the game itself do that instead?
Yahtzee on:Aeonknight said:
Half-Life series: A beacon of excellent design philosophy.
Team Fortress 2: A multiplayer experience matched only by competitive breast massage.
Painkiller: Fucking awesome!
COD4: Deserves the praise it gets.
Resistance 3: Isn't bad at all.
System Shock 2: Brilliant.
Serious Sam 3: This retro style holds appeal for me.
Crysis 2: Definitely above whatever fetid set of values passes for "average" these days.
Fallout 3: Yeah, it's pretty good.
Metroid Prime: A good console FPS.
Bulletstorm: ...everything you need to stave off your workplace shooting rampage for another few grim, torturous days.
Modern Warefare 2: From a purely mechanical standpoint, Modern Warfare 2 is absolutely perfect.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky: ...weirdly compelling....quite an immersive game once you adjust for the steep difficulty curve.
Bioshock: Incredibly good-looking, brilliantly written, masterfully atmospheric, and resoundingly imaginative...probably one of the best games of the year.