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Stabby Joe

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Ah, waiting for them to die of old age. I recall bringing that up recently from time to time haha.
 

k-ossuburb

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Dexter111 said:
As much as I am aware that there is already a rating system in place here in the U.K. the situation with the U.S. is a lot different because this has the potential to effectively kill the gaming industry by only letting the "safe" games through the censors.

Extra Credits put it better than I ever could, check their video out if you haven't already as to why it's important for us to take action in any way we can. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1961-Free-Speech]

I've already spread the word to other people on my blog and social networking sites but if you know a way I can physically help, please let me know. Is there a movement like this in the U.K. I can sign up for? Any advice will be appreciated, thanks.
 

proghead

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This topic? Again? Ok, here we go...

I'm not particularly fuzzed about this whole Supreme Court thing. They want to make sure that little kids don't have access to games that may possibly harm their development (words fail me here - I'm German). Over here in Germany it's been like that for years now and it the world still exists. You can still get pretty much any game you want - if you're old enough, of course.

It's more of a problem that shops like Walmart don't sell AO games IMO. That's one of the major reasons why producers have to adjust their games to make sure they fit an M rating... Maybe that will change when the kids are out of the way though - who knows?

TBH - i'm sick of all the cool kids crying wolf...
 

Optimystic

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Between ZP and EC, the entire website must be mobilized by now.

Will do my part after work!
 

RowdyRodimus

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rembrandtqeinstein said:
Not to crap in anyone's danish but the bankroll behind the VGVN is the ESA which is the lobbying arm of the game publishers.

The ESA is responsible for propaganda abortions like http://www.jointhecteam.com/ with complete bullshit statements like "natural connection between copyright and creativity" The purpose of the propaganda is to indoctrinate kids into the notion that copyright infringement is the same as plagiarism.

So while the VGVN appears to be a pro freedom you can bet the ESA would support a draconian three-strikes law similar to what France just passed: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/0942227/In-France-Hadopi-Reporting-Begins-With-Only-10000-IP-Addresses-Per-Day
Damn, you hit it out of the park with this. Here's a paragraph that basically tells kids it's ok to use others work in school without permission, but nowhere else. Which renders things such as reviews and even articles in the newspaper as illegal (by their standards):

Quote from jointhecteam.com:
"Conclude this class discussion by reminding
students that the special rules for respecting
intellectual property in school don?t apply outside
the classroom. Students are allowed to copy short
passages of copyrighted text, individual
copyrighted images, and excerpts from other
copyrighted material in their school work, as long
as they credit their sources. This is called ?fair
use.? But no one is allowed to copy copyrighted
material outside the classroom for any reason
without getting permission"

People who create the works in question would love that because they could pick and choose who reviews or reports on the item in question, usually (hell, always) to those who give favorable reports.
 

Catalyst6

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Mr. Crowshaw uses his celebrity status for good... *cough* sellout *cough* (kidding)
 

Duruznik

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Though I don't live in America (Hell, as far as I know my country's government isn't aware games exist), good luck to all those who are going to vote! Hopefully that rediculous law doesn't get passed...
 

Swifteye

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A lot of people here don't actually live in america but it wouldn't hurt to see what happens if you throw your hat in. After all if they stop making games for americans to play most likely all the other countries won't get those games either.

RowdyRodimus said:
rembrandtqeinstein said:
Not to crap in anyone's danish but the bankroll behind the VGVN is the ESA which is the lobbying arm of the game publishers.

The ESA is responsible for propaganda abortions like http://www.jointhecteam.com/ with complete bullshit statements like "natural connection between copyright and creativity" The purpose of the propaganda is to indoctrinate kids into the notion that copyright infringement is the same as plagiarism.

So while the VGVN appears to be a pro freedom you can bet the ESA would support a draconian three-strikes law similar to what France just passed: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/0942227/In-France-Hadopi-Reporting-Begins-With-Only-10000-IP-Addresses-Per-Day
Damn, you hit it out of the park with this. Here's a paragraph that basically tells kids it's ok to use others work in school without permission, but nowhere else. Which renders things such as reviews and even articles in the newspaper as illegal (by their standards):

Quote from jointhecteam.com:
"Conclude this class discussion by reminding
students that the special rules for respecting
intellectual property in school don?t apply outside
the classroom. Students are allowed to copy short
passages of copyrighted text, individual
copyrighted images, and excerpts from other
copyrighted material in their school work, as long
as they credit their sources. This is called ?fair
use.? But no one is allowed to copy copyrighted
material outside the classroom for any reason
without getting permission"

People who create the works in question would love that because they could pick and choose who reviews or reports on the item in question, usually (hell, always) to those who give favorable reports.
Can't we save games first and then handle that? I don't like dealing with two big issues at once makes my brain all hot in a bad way.
 

Nixzilla

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i think if they somehow won there would be a restiance force to fight agaisnt them for videogames. now where do i sign up
 

Lucifron

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rembrandtqeinstein said:
Not to crap in anyone's danish but the bankroll behind the VGVN is the ESA which is the lobbying arm of the game publishers.

The ESA is responsible for propaganda abortions like http://www.jointhecteam.com/ with complete bullshit statements like "natural connection between copyright and creativity" The purpose of the propaganda is to indoctrinate kids into the notion that copyright infringement is the same as plagiarism.

So while the VGVN appears to be a pro freedom you can bet the ESA would support a draconian three-strikes law similar to what France just passed: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/0942227/In-France-Hadopi-Reporting-Begins-With-Only-10000-IP-Addresses-Per-Day
That was a minor shit in my danish, but it doesn't mean that they can't do any good in this case.
 

I_am_acting

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AnneSQF said:
I have looked at the site and it is looking good. Great of you to mention it. But I'm 16 and not American so I wish you the best of luck.

By the way: Is video game violent a big problem in Europe? Here in Denmark we don't hear anything about it, what's up in the other countries?
well i do remember germany attempting to ban violent video games and crytek threaten to close down their german studio there
 

alexbaxthedarkside

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Excellent Stuff yahtzee, you summed up the subject Beautifully,
I will do my bit to help!

At least if gaming is under threat, maybe this is the kick up the arse game developers need to grow up and start telling some really compelling and meaning games.

Anyway,

Will do my Bit to help the cause! ^_^
 

Lightslei

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Fangobra said:
I was with Yahtzee up until he mentioned free speech. Only stupid Americans pretend they have free speech anymore and even then they can all see they don't, it's just in their constitution.

Free speech is something that on paper sounded like a good idea, but in practice really doesn't work and just has unfortunate consequences for people who try to exercise it.

You know what else sounded like a good idea on paper but in practice really doesn't work and just has unfortunate consequences for people who try to exercise it? Communism. Athankyew.
Can I smack you? Really really hard?

Free Speech simply means the right to say what you think.

As for communism, you are aware a true communist state has never existed, correct? How about instead of following the media around like a lapdog you do your research? Every single country that has claimed to be communist was actually a blend between fascism and socialism - NOT communism. Communism can't be "created" nor "enforced" but you wouldn't know that because you couldn't be bothered to pick up the damn Communist Manifesto and read it. Communism can only come about on it's own once ALL the world's workers are exploited.

If people stopped believing everything they were told in school and did their own research, the world would be a better place.

Also the Constitution does not say free speech, what it does say is this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Ike Jager said:
If you can't vote, that's no excuse to just sit on your lazy asses. Do what Yahtzee did, spread the word! Tell all your friends to spread the word untill it's known worldwide. American Government doesn't like being printed as bad. Now, I want to see tons of VGVN banners on facebook!
I don't use facebook so no :p.
 

imnot

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SirBryghtside said:
Wait, ZP on a Friday? THIS IS MADNESS!

Anyway, I'm British, so apparently have no ay in the matter.
Madness, THIS IS YAHTZEE!!!!!!!!!

OT: UK so I cant really help, just hope we dont jump on the Us bandwagon.
 

MonsterZero74

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I would've appreciated this more if not for the F*CKING COMMERCIAL to start the vid. You'd think a PSA would be ad-free. Maybe I'm deluded or something. The funny part is that the ad is for an M-rated game. Oh the irony.

Nice video from Yahtzee though! :)