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I've said this earlier in the topic but the reasons Scott funded the Republicans really aren't relevant. Because even in the charitable interpretation such funding's were made with the belief that trans people should just get sacrificed for Scott to get the policies he wanted personally. If people being deprived of their rights is considered acceptable collateral damage to get what you want then this says something about you. In this case this argument especially doesn't work because the policies that Scott wants so badly are those of McConnell and Trump. If Scott gets hyped about policies that stem from a seething hatred of poor people, or those designed to replace democracy with Trump then that says something about Scott, and makes his willingness to sacrifice trans rights even more telling.

I find it curious you consider the Democrats to have the worse covid policy. This is quite the feat considering one half of the Republican holds the view that covid doesn't exist, and the other half acknowledges covid does exist but that peoples should be sacrificed to the economy.
Then sorry the same argument can be made that it doesn't matter why people funded Democrats it just means they're fine with people killing off Jewish people to get the policies they want
 

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Then sorry the same argument can be made that it doesn't matter why people funded Democrats it just means they're fine with people killing off Jewish people to get the policies they want
I don't think the Democrats have it as either their official or unofficial policy that Jews should be killed.
 
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Killed? Maybe not. Denied the same basic rights as every other citizen, brainwashed out of existence, and/or jailed, absolutely.

"Sodomy laws" were all the rage back in my "isn't it normal to fantasize for hours about waking up as another gender, too bad that's only a thing in comedy movies" phase.
 

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Then sorry the same argument can be made that it doesn't matter why people funded Democrats it just means they're fine with people killing off Jewish people to get the policies they want
So for this to be 'the same' as you claim there would have to be a long history of Democrats trying to pass bills that impact Jewish people, I'm sure you can provide such evidence of course?
 

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So for this to be 'the same' as you claim there would have to be a long history of Democrats trying to pass bills that impact Jewish people, I'm sure you can provide such evidence of course?




 

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Really? Like a Empath able to change the minds of people with just a word and change normal people into murderous fiends without a second thought?

Or how someone can shoot a person in broad daylight and everyone looks away like he was invisible?

Or having the ability to change reality in a second?

Or someone able to Spawn henchmen in a moment's notice to overwhelm you?
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how these are counterpoints, nor am I sure what part of the post you're responding to. I mean, the issues you raise are, well, issues, but the questions of unfair application of law and mob rule have been universal issues for human history. You don't need a metaphor to encasulate that, you can replicate it in a work of fiction easily.
 

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(Sorry for the multiple posts, forum's being weird)

The subversion of comic books is what if the minority in the world had actual true power instead of the majority.

Completely disagree.

I mean, sure, there's no doubt comic books that exist that explore such scenarios, but every comic book ever? Really?

That's the twist that everyone lies, like what if Superman was evil? But while that is the subversion, the message is still the kicker.
I disagree that there's an inherent message with Supes going evil, it depends entirely on the context. Stuff like Injustice, Red Son, and Brightburn may all explore that take for instance, but the circumstances and themes differ in each case. And that's even assuming that there's a theme to begin with. It's not as if superhero comics are exactly known for in-depth themes.

It doesn't matter if you can control weather, become strong enough to throw a Truck hundreds of km away, or fly. The Majority will still band together to put you in your place. And even with that vast power... you would still be scared of them. Because they will all turn on you and eventually get you.
Okay, but the entire conceit of the X-Men is that if all of humanity ("the majority") banded together to take out mutants ("the minority"), then there's a strong chance that mutants would win. Hence why it doesn't work well as a metaphor, where in the real world, "the majority" and "the minority" are on equal footing on a 1:1 basis. And even then, most of history has been small groups (kings, emperors) controlling large groups (everyone else), and you can find "minoritarian regimes" in the world today (e.g. Syria and Iraq), so we can flip this around. It arguably HAS been flipped around in fiction (e.g. The Reckoners).

Hence part of why I don't think the X-Men work well as a metaphor for any oppressed/disadvantaged group. It's actually something I think the X-Men films did reasonably well in that a lot of it was framed in the context of evolution and specism. As in, Homo sapiens outcompeted every other species of human and became the top dogs, what happens when a new species of human appears that's inherently better than you, is going to increase in numbers with every passing generation, and has people who want you either eradicated or subordinated? That doesn't work well as an allagory for oppression, but it does work as an allagory for evolution/survival of the fittest.

And hey, on point, in the article about how White Supremacy is on the rise, did you notice the Confederate Flag and Trump flags flown close together? It's stuff like that which draws people to make the automatic assumption that Republicanism is tied to Racism and ideas that will harm others. If you want us to stop making that correlation, start telling others to stop showing it to us constantly.
I'm sorry, what?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've mentioned "Republicanism" in this entire thread, and I certainly haven't mentioned Confederate flags. Where have I told anyone not to make that correlation? I mean, the correlation's pretty clear, least in the threads you linked to.

Also, I'm not really in a position to tell people not to wave Confederate flags, since I, y'know, don't live in the US, and I don't know anyone online or real life who actually does wave such flags. I mean, you're not going to find many Confederate flags down here.
 
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To be fair, I don't think either side wants compromise.
The Republcians became known as "The Party of No" for a reason...

I mean, we all know how extremely racially diverse Scandinavia has been, historically. In the case of Idris Elba, he was also playing Heimdall, based on Heimdallr, and at this point I'm just going to quote the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article:

So, yeah, I can see some issue with casting the "Shining God" with the "whitest skin" to a black actor.
Okay, but the asgardians aren't the actual Norse gods, and Marvel takes all manner of liberties with the myths, so this is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Really, I can play this game of "deity from culture/myth X doesn't look right," and it's not a game I want to play.

Bishop could have been a good choice for him, and there are several other black comic characters out there that would have been better choices to introduce than race bending Heimdall. But that's kinda the thing - no one wants to use black characters that already exist, or create new ones - they specifically want to rebrand white characters as black.
Ooh, the horror.

I mean, look, there's some circumstances where it would be better to create a new character, but again, mountains out of molehills. So the skin colour is different. Yes, and?

Interesting note: Have you ever noticed that when a previously white character gets cast/redesigned as black over the last decade or so, it's a ginger way more often than chance would suggest?
Gingers don't have souls. We need to expunge them from media. :p

(In seriousness, not really.)

I mean, I would have preferred her to be an Asian actress, FWIW. I get the pressure to have at least one big name in a movie to draw marketing attention though.
But still, it's a moot point.

There's nothing in-universe (at least in the film) that dictates that the protagonist be a certain ethnicity, and as far as I'm aware, it was never an issue in the original anime.





Most of those examples are Israel, not Jews per se.

I agree that the left does generally have a blind spot on antisemitism, granted.
 

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If people aren't willing to reason, then nothing is going to change.
True, but not in the way you seem to mean. People who disagreed with Trump got fired. He didn't want to listen, and so talking to him didn't help. Explaining that covid is bad and people should wear masks hasn't gotten through to anti-vaxxers. Climate change denial remains popular despite decades of explaining it a thing.
 

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none of that is relevant
 

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Explaining that covid is bad and people should wear masks hasn't gotten through to anti-vaxxers.
I mean, this is the boomerang effect in action. Vaccine hesitance was lower when they got approved than when people started trying to "convince" others to get it. The moment the phrase "vaccine passport" entered public discourse, desire to get vaccinated dropped tremendously.
 

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I don't think either party has it as official policy that any demographic should be killed.
Perhaps not but Republicans do have it as their policy, either officially or unofficially that some groups deserve to have less rights then others. Its simply a known fact that Republicans will put up roadblocks for trans people.
 

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Perhaps not but Republicans do have it as their policy, either officially or unofficially that some groups deserve to have less rights then others. Its simply a known fact that Republicans will put up roadblocks for trans people.
You would have a tough time naming such a right, though.
 

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The left does try. They've even tried doing something where both parties benefits, but the Republicans usually said no or wanted to add extra caveats. The reasoning being was because those in the lower class would benefit and that just wrestles their jimmies apparently. Fuck all of them! They even screwing others far less than more times than any of us can count. If they get costly screwed over, I'm not going to cry for them. As far as I'm concerned the Republican party are dicks, pussies, and assholes all rolled into one. AKA B!tch-In-A-Boxstand Party. If you think my hatred for them is bad, wait until you meet my parents. They have even less patience and empathy for a majority of them.
The left tries to try, they say they want to do things that they really don't want to do. Both parties are funded my the same kind of people that give money to keep or extend their privileges. Why do you think the democrats keep saying "we need a strong republican party"? It's so they don't have such a majority that the republicans can't push back against because the democrats really don't want to do most of the things most people actually want. Democrats want to have the "but the republicans" excuse so when the public is like "why didn't you actually do that?", the democrats can blame the republicans. Lastly, the lower class has benefited far more in republican states over republican states with regards to covid (just compare the small business closures).

I've said this earlier in the topic but the reasons Scott funded the Republicans really aren't relevant. Because even in the charitable interpretation such funding's were made with the belief that trans people should just get sacrificed for Scott to get the policies he wanted personally. If people being deprived of their rights is considered acceptable collateral damage to get what you want then this says something about you. In this case this argument especially doesn't work because the policies that Scott wants so badly are those of McConnell and Trump. If Scott gets hyped about policies that stem from a seething hatred of poor people, or those designed to replace democracy with Trump then that says something about Scott, and makes his willingness to sacrifice trans rights even more telling.

I find it curious you consider the Democrats to have the worse covid policy. This is quite the feat considering one half of the Republican holds the view that covid doesn't exist, and the other half acknowledges covid does exist but that peoples should be sacrificed to the economy.
I really don't get how this a valid argument. Democrats put legislation in place that harms people too. There isn't ever going to be a party or just single politician that is 100% good. You will have good policy coupled with bad policy all the time. Do you not realize that around half of Americans prefer the republican party, you just gonna cancel half the country? You really think half of Americans want to cause other people harm? That's a ridiculous way of thinking. Saying the republicans want to replace democracy is on the same level as republicans claiming the democrats want socialism. Lastly, in my opinion, anyone that donates to or votes for either democrats or republicans is part of the problem, you need people in there not tied to corporate money to get anything important done. You think I'm going get mad at over 90% of the country because they are republican or democrat? That's beyond ridiculous, ignoring/canceling people is not how you get things to a better place.

You keep making ridiculous claims, republicans don't think covid doesn't exist. Florida's governor brought in experts to discus covid policy, and Florida did better than average. Texas, along with Florida, was condemned to be some apocalyptic wasteland, yet they did better than several democrat states like New York, Michigan, Illinois. California with all their restrictions didn't do much better than Florida. Republican states kept more small business in business (you know, helping the poorer people) and had schools open. Republican states are banning vaccine passports, yet democrat states are enacting them, look at how ridiculous New York is with their Excelsior Pass. Whereas you have packed sporting events in Texas, Florida, or Indiana (Indy 500 with over 130,000 people) with no vaccine passports and where's all the doom at? Vaccine passports only segregate people for no reason. About half the country already had covid, they don't need vaccination. There's people that can't get the vaccine for medical reasons. There's people that were in the Novavax trials and literally don't count as being vaccinated and they can't do things that require vaccine passports. And of course, kids can't get vaccinated and don't have vaccine passports obviously. Why are kids not allowed to be kids when covid is less dangerous to them than the flu and we let them play and go to school before? This is all so nonsensical. Either everyone can do things or nobody can do things, and that's all there should be to it.

From the 30+ pages of conversation in other threads, this is the group that Phoenixmgs falls into. He just pretends to justify it by claiming covid isn't "that bad."
Democrat states with all these restrictions haven't done better than republican states with much fewer restrictions. You do realize much of the country is carrying on perfectly normal and they don't have mass graves of death. In Indianapolis Indiana (I've been there for work for like 2 months now), the Indy 500 happened with 130,000+ people, about a week after the CDC announcement that vaccinated don't need masks, nobody is wearing masks anywhere beside the hospital I work at; no masks at restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, sporting events (that includes not just customers but employees at all these places too). I don't even bring a mask anywhere with me except work now. And the county Indianapolis is in is one of the 5 blue counties in Indiana. And by the way, the county fell short of it's 50% vaccination goal by the 4th. This is what the vast majority of the country looks like if you didn't know and no more death than anywhere else.
 
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Uh, really? Objecting to Israels obliteration of palestinians = "being fine with people killing off Jewish people" to you?
 
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Uh, really? Objecting to Israels obliteration of palestinians = "being fine with people killing off Jewish people" to you?
It's funny that rightoids(and some liberals) have to try and pin antisemitism on Ilhan Omar, whenever she opens her mouth, like they care.
Meanwhile all you have to do, is to throw a rock in general right direction to hit racists, homo/transphobes and all around bigots including antisemites.
 

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That's probably a fair assessment. And to be frank i think people on both sides think the other side is insane to at least some degree.

And I think that there are points from both sides that are perfectly valid. The real question is, "Is there a middle ground solution?" Because i think it is only a matter of time before big companies start ignoring the "woke" demands in favor of just making things for normal fucking people again. Namely I think film and television will start to pull away from the extreme left as they hemorrhage viewers and sponsors because people aren't watching their dogshit.
I think the notion that they've ever been catering to "the extreme left" is complete delusion.