Lifting Masks = Back to Getting Down With The Sickness

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Isn't that mostly bogus, based on claims by big pharma that can't be reproduced.
Which part?

1) We know 5-HT levels go up rapidly, because we can administer SSRIs and take samples (usually, of course, on animals).

2) The aetiology of depression bogus? Research suggests major depression is not "low 5-HT", but is associated with forms of neuronal dysregulation and synaptic degradation, low levels of certain chemicals that promote cell health (growth factors like BDNF). Thus improving mood also requires time to restore structural and functional activity of neurones with much longer-term activity.

3) In terms of clinical efficacy, most clinical studies are done by Big Pharma initially because it's their responsibility to prove their drug works. There are however other subsequent studies in one form another which broadly concur which gradually roll out.

Meta-analyses on the effectiveness of antidepressants do not show great results overall compared to placebo. But finer grain analysis shows that their efficacy relates to severity of depression: the more severe, the more effective they are. The overall picture can look quite drab because an awful lot of people are given antidepressants who have mild depression and see litttle or no improvement. The other thing is that some people are depressed because their lives are hard. Ideally, we might want to improve their lives, but improving welfare or the amount of jobs with decent salaries, or stopping their partner cheating on them is a very complex intervention beyond the healthcare profession. So, psychological therapy is really the recommended treatment, although in practice many health services do not have sufficient mental health provision to cope with need, so patients get packed off home with their sertraline or whatever, and it's potentially not what they need most. So, short answer, whilst antidepressants are almost certainly overprescribed, they are effective drugs.
 
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Because of the Delta variant raising new cases to an all-time high including in my area, I've had to wear a mask to the supermarket. Not for the first time, because I've visited my folks who live in a "hotter" part of the country, but still can't say I'm fucking pleased. This uptick will certainly make another miserable autumn.
 
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Because of the Delta variant raising new cases to an all-time high including in my area, I've had to wear a mask to the supermarket. Not for the first time, because I've visited my folks who live in a "hotter" part of the country, but still can't say I'm fucking pleased. This uptick will certainly make another miserable autumn.
Don't worry too much, I suspect the infections in the current delta surge will be a lot less severe than the Dec/Jan surge, and with previous infections and immunity, the damage in terms of hospitalisations and deaths is sure to be much, much lower.

This delta surge may well be the last we need to give significant concern about for a while (hopefully years) because I suspect it will take years for enough virus evolution to occur to develop significant vaccine resistance. There will probably be a long trickle of hospitalisations and deaths, mind, pretty much forever, like flu. But really, after this surge, there's hopefully just not going to be enough vulnerability left for any major problems for a good ling while.

That said, the heavy slowing of the USA's vaccination rate is definitely not a good thing and will result in plenty more losses than it should. It's vaccination levels have been overtaken by numerous EU countries whose vaccination programs started in earnest a month or two later (although kudos to those EU nations for redeeming themselves after a late start - they have really got things done).
 
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THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE ANY VACCINE RESISTANT VARIANTS, it's basically a scientific impossibility.
Stop. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You started this whole thing off with a whiny little opinion piece saying that you shouldn't have to isolate or mask up, that it's those oldies and those sickies who should be locked away while you gallivant around in the face of a disease that was obviously never going to affect you. Every single post you've made on the topic since then has been a frantic rearguard action to defend your self-serving sniveling, to the point where you have posted literally dozens of scientific articles and pages that directly contradict the points you make in those very posts. And now this? At long last, have you no decency?

There's just one thing you should do now, and it's post these three words in this exact order: "I was wrong."
 

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Everyone just needs to be weeb enough to consider wearing mask something cool because of feeling like you're doing Tokyo Ghoul cosplay, then the virus will die.

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On a more serious note, whoever politicized this is to blame. Just let idiots die, lot more normal people on the right would prolly wear the mask if it wasn't tied to being a left-wing thing.
 

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Don't worry too much, I suspect the infections in the current delta surge will be a lot less severe than the Dec/Jan surge, and with previous infections and immunity, the damage in terms of hospitalisations and deaths is sure to be much, much lower.
I'm a university student and student events are MOST of my social life. They will be canceled again. Our government views the service sector as its enemy while the service sector seems to have zero leverage on how they could improve on their safety. I understand why they aren't even trying that much: politicians restrict their business even though they don't contribute to the spread. Protecting the healthcare system was understandable before, but it's not under threat anymore. Politicians are protecting their egos.
 

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Which part?

1) We know 5-HT levels go up rapidly, because we can administer SSRIs and take samples (usually, of course, on animals).

2) The aetiology of depression bogus? Research suggests major depression is not "low 5-HT", but is associated with forms of neuronal dysregulation and synaptic degradation, low levels of certain chemicals that promote cell health (growth factors like BDNF). Thus improving mood also requires time to restore structural and functional activity of neurones with much longer-term activity.

3) In terms of clinical efficacy, most clinical studies are done by Big Pharma initially because it's their responsibility to prove their drug works. There are however other subsequent studies in one form another which broadly concur which gradually roll out.

Meta-analyses on the effectiveness of antidepressants do not show great results overall compared to placebo. But finer grain analysis shows that their efficacy relates to severity of depression: the more severe, the more effective they are. The overall picture can look quite drab because an awful lot of people are given antidepressants who have mild depression and see litttle or no improvement. The other thing is that some people are depressed because their lives are hard. Ideally, we might want to improve their lives, but improving welfare or the amount of jobs with decent salaries, or stopping their partner cheating on them is a very complex intervention beyond the healthcare profession. So, psychological therapy is really the recommended treatment, although in practice many health services do not have sufficient mental health provision to cope with need, so patients get packed off home with their sertraline or whatever, and it's potentially not what they need most. So, short answer, whilst antidepressants are almost certainly overprescribed, they are effective drugs.
The link between serotonine and depression is tenuous at best, but you're probably right that severe chronic depression affects nerve cells. I also read anti-depressants can be effective for severe depression but big pharma has pushed the dubious narrative that all depression is to blame on faulty 'brain chemistry' to the extent that for many years now doctors prescribe antidepressants like smarties just to fill the pockets of the corporate overlords(and maybe get a nice vacation on the company's expense). The medication itself can also come with some serious side-effects like severe agitation and disinhibition to such an extent that people have had reduced sentences for committing crimes while under influence of antidepressants. The campaigns of big pharma to push for antidepressants might not be as dubious as their push for opiate painkillers but it's close.

The problem is not so much that antidepressants are prescribed for chronic, severe depression but rather that they are prescribed almost as soon as someone complains of depressive feelings even if antidepressants are ineffective for minor/mild depression and come with a host of side-effects and dependance.

Don't worry too much, I suspect the infections in the current delta surge will be a lot less severe than the Dec/Jan surge, and with previous infections and immunity, the damage in terms of hospitalisations and deaths is sure to be much, much lower.

This delta surge may well be the last we need to give significant concern about for a while (hopefully years) because I suspect it will take years for enough virus evolution to occur to develop significant vaccine resistance. There will probably be a long trickle of hospitalisations and deaths, mind, pretty much forever, like flu. But really, after this surge, there's hopefully just not going to be enough vulnerability left for any major problems for a good ling while.

That said, the heavy slowing of the USA's vaccination rate is definitely not a good thing and will result in plenty more losses than it should. It's vaccination levels have been overtaken by numerous EU countries whose vaccination programs started in earnest a month or two later (although kudos to those EU nations for redeeming themselves after a late start - they have really got things done).
A giant reservoir of unvaccinated people(espescially worldwide) will continue to put selective pressure on the virus to bypass the vaccine on top of the risk for mutations b/c covid circulates in such high numbers among so many different populations. There is also the question of how long immunity lasts and how effective fading immunity is on variants. Delta showed how infectious variants are through mutations in the spike protein and how quickly the reproduction rate can explode(and subsequently decline) without necessarily leading to a high amount of hospitalizations thanks to the vaccine. It's also summer when there is smaller circulation of respiratory viruses then in fall/winter. I think the foreseeable future will probably look like small pockets of outbreaks, annual booster shots for those at high-risk and risk of reduced vaccine efficacy due to fading immunity and/or viariants. The international situation will most likely also continue to be dire, espescially the third world(with all risk for mutations). To be honest I don't see a return to 'normal' until atleast 80% of people are fully vaccinated.
 

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What's even the point of forcing people to get vaccinated anyway? Doesn't Covid still spread to other people even if you've been vaccinated, or is that bogus? So the only people that need to be vaccinated are those at risk or that want it. Forcing people to do it serves no purpose and I would've expected a lot of people here to just look at it has the potential for people they don't like to suffer and/or die.
 

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What's even the point of forcing people to get vaccinated anyway? Doesn't Covid still spread to other people even if you've been vaccinated, or is that bogus? So the only people that need to be vaccinated are those at risk or that want it. Forcing people to do it serves no purpose and I would've expected a lot of people here to just look at it has the potential for people they don't like to suffer and/or die.
Vaccination prevents the transmission of most strains of the virus and also slows its rate of genetic drift, decreasing the likelihood that a new strain will develop that the vaccine is less effective against. Without herd immunity, the virus will continue to mutate and evolve and likely become worse in the process.
 

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Vaccination prevents the transmission of most strains of the virus and also slows its rate of genetic drift, decreasing the likelihood that a new strain will develop that the vaccine is less effective against. Without herd immunity, the virus will continue to mutate and evolve and likely become worse in the process.
I see, thank you for the clarification.
 

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What's even the point of forcing people to get vaccinated anyway? Doesn't Covid still spread to other people even if you've been vaccinated, or is that bogus? So the only people that need to be vaccinated are those at risk or that want it. Forcing people to do it serves no purpose and I would've expected a lot of people here to just look at it has the potential for people they don't like to suffer and/or die.
Getting the vaccine greatly decreases the chances of you spreading it to other people, and it also makes the severity of COVID much less if you do happen to get infected. It's not a 100% immunity, but the Moderna vaccine (the one I got, and the one that is recommended unless you have underlying health conditions) is "94.1% effective at preventing symptomatic infection in people with no evidence of previous COVID-19 infection (although the efficacy rate drops to 86.4% for people aged 65 or older)", according to Yale Medicine. In addition, the same link mentions a CDC study showing 90% effectiveness in real-world conditions, although that seems to be a smaller study, and also specifically used medical workers and other frontline personnel.
 

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Vaccination prevents the transmission of most strains of the virus and also slows its rate of genetic drift, decreasing the likelihood that a new strain will develop that the vaccine is less effective against. Without herd immunity, the virus will continue to mutate and evolve and likely become worse in the process.
Plus, the risk of covid infection being fatal falls drastically in the vaccinated populace.
 

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Having mentioned horse medication here before somewhat flippantly, should probably elaborate on the source to contextualise for it and any future references...



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These geniuses have been convinced to pass on the vaccine and raid rural farm stores so they can suck down “sheep drench” and take swine injections.

It’s not snake oil, literally. But as bogus COVID-19 miracle drugs go, horse paste comes pretty close.

As coronavirus infections rage among the unvaccinated, those suspicious of the shot are championing a new supposed COVID-19 cure. Thanks to a dubious study of ivermectin, a drug used in humans to treat parasites like scabies, cranks have seized on the drug as the new solution to coronavirus prevention and treatment.

Devotees have besieged pharmacists with prescriptions from shady online prescribers, forcing pharmacies to crack down and treat the antiparasitic drugs like opioids. As human-approved ivermectin prescriptions have been harder to come by, enthusiasts have taken to raiding rural tractor supply stores in search of ivermectin horse paste (packed with “apple flavor!”) and weighed the benefits of taking ivermectin “sheep drench” and a noromectin “injection for swine and cattle.”

“There is certainly a noticeable increase in calls to poison centers regarding ivermectin being misused,” a Texas-based poison control specialist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions, told The Daily Beast via email. “It’s clear that a vast majority are associated with a belief that it will prevent or treat COVID. That said, I do want to be careful not to be sensational—there’s no epidemic of ivermectin overdoses in hospitals, but it’s needless suffering given the lack of conclusive evidence of a benefit.”

All to treat and prevent a disease for which there’s a free and widely available vaccine.

In some textbook cases, Facebook users have recommended using the drug against doctors’ orders.

“Personally I haven’t had this situation, but if I did, I would sneak horse paste into the hospital and would rub it into the armpit myself to save my loved one,” a member of an ivermectin Facebook group advised another.

Like the Trumpist miracle cure hydroxychloroquine before it, the hype for ivermectin comes against the advice of the medical community, which has been skeptical of the drug’s purported benefits. Although ivermectin optimists point to a few trials of the drug on COVID patients, two of the flashiest studies have either been withdrawn or heavily criticized due to errors. A recent review of existing ivermectin studies by the medical research group Cochrane did not rule in the drug’s favor.

“Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19,” the Cochrane report, released July 28 read. “The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality […] Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.” The report called for further randomized trials of ivermectin on COVID patients.

“Most overdoses will be mild and simply result in some gastrointestinal distress and maybe some drowsiness, but severe overdose can cause significant neurological toxicity,” the Texas poison control worker said. “The irony is, in a severe ivermectin overdose (which is rare, you really have to be slamming this stuff to achieve that) patients will end up needing to be intubated to protect their airway, meanwhile, a lot of them are taking the ivermectin to allegedly treat their COVID… to avoid ultimately being intubated and placed on a ventilator.”

As vaccine skeptics suck down tubes of horse paste and hit up poison control centers with calls, the FDA has patiently explained why people should not take medicine intended for livestock. Though they contain the same active ingredient approved for use in people, animal medications are “highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do” and as a result “Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans.”

That kind of scientific caution is hard to find on the internet, where users on Telegram, Facebook groups, and Amazon comments sections guide each other on how to find and use the drug and evangelize it to others.

Facebook groups offer support and answers to users who are confused, scared, and ignorant. When a poster has a question about how to convert horse doses to people doses, commenters are only too happy to provide suggestions. Their answers may prove a threat to your liver health, but they fill the vacuum of information for those committed to exploring the frontiers of COVID medical quackery.

Posters ask questions not readily answered by the legitimate medical community, like what size dose of the phoney miracle drug to give an 8-year old recently diagnosed with COVID-19. Group members respond with a chart that lists suggested doses in human-approved ivermectin tablets or “notches” for the markings on tubes of horse paste listed according to patient weight.

The chart, a frequently pasted image in Facebook groups touting the drug, is sourced to Gustavo Aguirre Chang, a Peruvian doctor and evangelist for ivermectin’s use in treating COVID-19.

On Amazon, where customers can buy horse paste ivermectin without a prescription, purchasers speak in coded reviews to extol the drug’s supposed benefits against COVID-19. “My ‘horse’ had no negative side effects, and now he tells me he feels like a million bucks and is now COVID free,” one customer wrote. “If you are intelligent enough to be able to weigh yourself and smart enough to do fractions you can do this safely” another assured readers.

Amazon has become so popular as a source for horse-to-human ivermectin that the purchases are starting to warp the company’s recommendation engines.

Amazon’s popularity as a backdoor for people to obtain Amazon’s recommendation systems are only too happy to push similar. show a suspicious number of customers purchased zinc, vitamin C, and quercetin—other popular (and bogus) coronavirus home remedies—alongside pulse oximeters, often purchased by those infected with COVID-19 to monitor their oxygen levels.

“This is actually the primary situation we get called about,” the Texas poison control worker said. “The big headache for poison control centers is that people are circumventing their physician and going to animal supply stores and acquiring ivermectin which can be purchased without a prescription with the understanding it’s for large animal veterinary use only. However, this form of ivermectin is a 1.87% paste [in delicious apple flavor]—it’s so concentrated because it’s formulated for 1,500-pound horses, not humans. Unless someone knows what they’re doing, it’s very easy to overdose on the paste.”

When horse ivermectin isn’t available, believers will scour the animal kingdom for other sources. On one forum, a European ivermectin fan complained that he could only find the drug in quantities approved for pet parrots, leading to an expensive cost-per-dosage. On Facebook, an ivermectin-curious woman shared a picture of “sheep drench,” asking if the ovine de-louser would help fight COVID-19. The bold label printed on the bottle warning “NOT SAFE OR APPROVED FOR HUMAN USE, WHICH COULD CAUSE SEVERE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH” in the image did little to deter curiosity.

Off-label ivermectin requests are also hitting legitimate pharmacies, to pharmacists’ displeasure.

One pharmacist, who has worked in Missouri and Illinois over the course of the pandemic, said they’d received approximately 10 ivermectin prescriptions in recent months: an uncommon number for a drug typically used to treat scabies or serious lice infestations in humans. About six of those 10 prescriptions raised red flags, like weirdly large dosages or doctors who canceled orders when questioned.

“If I could verify based on current dosage information for its available indications that the prescription appeared to be for a valid diagnosis I would dispense with no issue,” the pharmacist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions at work, told The Daily Beast. For the six unusual orders, the pharmacist called the prescriber. Half of those doctors never answered. Of the three that responded, “two canceled the prescription—one electronically and one verbally while on the phone. The third verbally confirmed it was for the treatment of acute COVID infection and did not deem to cancel it.”

The electronic cancellation came from a prescriber far out of state, in California.

An Arizona-based pharmacist told The Daily Beast that their pharmacy had been inundated with ivermectin prescriptions from America’s Frontline Doctors.

The group was founded in 2020 by Dr Simone Gold, currently awaiting trial on charges related to her alleged participation in the Jan. 6 insurrection, and pushed an anti-lockdown, pro-hydroxychloroquine agenda with the help of Dr. Stella Immanuel, the so-called “demon sperm” doctor who has professed a belief in aliens and “reptilian” overlords.

After spending much of the pandemic touting hydroxychloroquine, America’s Frontline Doctors now offers tele-health consults for $90 and directs prospective patients and visitors looking to get scripts for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin filled to Ravkoo, an online pharmacy startup based in Florida.

“At the peak we were getting between 5-10 scripts per week. (Demon sperm ‘MD’ was calling them into our voicemail). Recently, it’s been 1-2 a month thankfully,” the Arizona pharmacist messaged The Daily Beast.

“Our biggest problem was when one other Rph [registered pharmacist] filled a script for it and the floodgates opened after that. Those being from the TX demon sperm MD (I forget her name, honestly). The office would never answer the phone when we called to question it but we would just write down the info and document it before we destroyed the rx.”

Although the pharmacist had been able to reason with would-be ivermectin patients, some colleagues had found themselves facing “ladies threatening to sue, being accused of overstepping our boundaries, etc,” the Arizona pharmacist said.

Pharmacies’ reluctance to fill dubious ivermectin scripts has prompted America’s Frontline Doctors to start recruiting plaintiffs for a lawsuit. The group published a plaintiff intake form on its website to screen for doctors and patients who’ve had pharmacies refuse to fill their ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine prescriptions.

Still, at least one customer changed their mind after learning more about the drug.

“Only one person I spoke with actually agreed to not wanting to pick it up after she told me her friend referred her to the telemedicine appointment,” the Arizona pharmacist said. “She had no idea what she was getting or that it was useless.”
Pro tip: Just don't. Stick to the Ketamine cupboards instead.
 

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The link between serotonine and depression is tenuous at best... but big pharma has pushed the dubious narrative that all depression is to blame on faulty 'brain chemistry' to the extent that for many years now doctors prescribe antidepressants like smarties just to fill the pockets of the corporate overlords
The serotonin theory of depression was created in the 1960s, and predates Big Pharma's interest. It was the serotonin theory of depression that caused drugs companies to look at drugs targetting serotonergic transmission in the first place, and hence the discovery of SSRIs. The theory rolled over and died in the 1990s (although similar "descendant" theories still hold validity), but 30 years is a lot of time to embed the idea in popular consciousness. It's hard to remove, not least because SSRIs are easier to explain to the public as "serotonin goes up you get happier", even though it's not a serotonin deficit that causes depression.

The medication itself can also come with some serious side-effects like severe agitation and disinhibition to such an extent that people have had reduced sentences for committing crimes while under influence of antidepressants. The campaigns of big pharma to push for antidepressants might not be as dubious as their push for opiate painkillers but it's close.

The problem is not so much that antidepressants are prescribed for chronic, severe depression but rather that they are prescribed almost as soon as someone complains of depressive feelings even if antidepressants are ineffective for minor/mild depression and come with a host of side-effects and dependance.
A lot of the problem here is not drugs companies, but the medical profession and health services. Someone comes into a GP surgery and seems depressed. What does a GP do? Sign them up for psychological therapy with a nine month waiting list? Just tell them to try be happier - what happens if they commit suicide, and the GP could be deemed liable? Of course they're going to hand them pills. They have literally nothing else that they can do except send them home with comforting words. Some of it is likely to just be that if they've got a tool, they'll just find an excuse to use it. Medical doctors, of course, also tend to have a low opinion of psychological therapy, because they're prejudiced that way. Some of the blame also probably lies with the public: "I'm unhappy I want pills for it". Well, easy way for a GP to shut that annoying, demanding patient up then.

A giant reservoir of unvaccinated people(espescially worldwide) will continue to put selective pressure on the virus to bypass the vaccine on top of the risk for mutations b/c covid circulates in such high numbers among so many different populations. There is also the question of how long immunity lasts and how effective fading immunity is on variants. Delta showed how infectious variants are through mutations in the spike protein and how quickly the reproduction rate can explode(and subsequently decline) without necessarily leading to a high amount of hospitalizations thanks to the vaccine. It's also summer when there is smaller circulation of respiratory viruses then in fall/winter. I think the foreseeable future will probably look like small pockets of outbreaks, annual booster shots for those at high-risk and risk of reduced vaccine efficacy due to fading immunity and/or viariants. The international situation will most likely also continue to be dire, espescially the third world(with all risk for mutations). To be honest I don't see a return to 'normal' until atleast 80% of people are fully vaccinated.
Western Europe will be around 80% reasonably soon, I think. The USA, mm... the slowing there has been so heavy I don't know they ever will, or not for a long time, so I get why Gergar is impatient. It's very nice for Fox News to start telling people they should vaccinate, but it's all a bit too late.
 
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THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE ANY VACCINE RESISTANT VARIANTS, it's basically a scientific impossibility. And why are unvaccinated Americans the cause of these variants? If we could keep using the names of where the variants came from as their names instead of asinine Delta and Lambda bullshit, they didn't come from America and they came from places with low vaccination rates that still make up the vast majority of places on earth like India and Peru (where these variants came from). America only makes up about 4% of the worlds population and we have a pretty high vaccination rate (and natural immunity rate) in comparison to much of the world, America is not very likely to be the breeding ground for new variants.
I mean, America hoarding vaccines while enforcing vaccine patents is directly responsible for areas with low vaccination rates causing new mutations of the virus. Also, America big. Having a "bad put higher than normal" vaccination rate matters dick all when the multiple country sized areas that make up the United States have vastly different rates of vaccination.
 

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Having mentioned horse medication here before somewhat flippantly, should probably elaborate on the source to contextualise for it and any future references...



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Pro tip: Just don't. Stick to the Ketamine cupboards instead.
I Can't even....I just can't even with these people anymore.

I swear 2020 and 2021 are gonna full of darwin award winners/nominees.

I'd make a joke about telling them that eating literal human feces would protect them against covid but I know somebody will totally pick up on that and we'll have a shit eating epidemic going on in truther land.
 
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I Can't even....I just can't even with these people anymore.

I swear 2020 and 2021 are gonna full of darwin award winners/nominees.

I'd make a joke about telling them that eating literal human feces would protect them against covid but I know somebody will totally pick up on that and we'll have a shit eating epidemic going on in truther land.
Oh, sweet summer child, they're almost there. Allow me to introduce you to "urine therapy" ... 😔

https://www.facebook.com/UrineTherapyIndia/posts



People have been claiming and believing it cures cancer (and pretty much anything else) for some while now, hardly any extra effort throwing Covid in there too.

These practices often includes "aged urine enemas" also, in case you weren't sufficiently horrified enough.
 

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What's even the point of forcing people to get vaccinated anyway? Doesn't Covid still spread to other people even if you've been vaccinated, or is that bogus? So the only people that need to be vaccinated are those at risk or that want it. Forcing people to do it serves no purpose and I would've expected a lot of people here to just look at it has the potential for people they don't like to suffer and/or die.
Ugh, my head. Ok, so being vaccinated against covid is a numbers game. You can still get sick but you are less likely too and you will be less sick if you do manage to catch it. If enough people are vaccinated then you can eliminate the disease since it has such a hard time being transmitted that it just dies off. If you could force people to get vaccinated and get 90% of a population to be vaccinated that way then you should 100% do it since that is around herd immunity which means the disease is no longer a threat and will probably die off. People right now are really vaccine hesitant which gives the disease much more chance to mutate.

Now mutation of a disease can be good or bad, its possible for it to mutate into something benign but its also possible it will mutate into something deadlier, as we see with the delta variant of covid. Covid was already really easy to transmit since you are contagious before you show symptoms but the new delta variant is much more contagious then that since those with it have like 1000 times as much virus in a sneeze. Just getting one virus in you isn't enough to make you sick, its a numbers game, so the more exposure you have the more likely you are to catch it, so the more virus someone is putting out the more it will spread, especially among those with no immunities.
 
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Oh, sweet summer child, they're almost there. Allow me to introduce you to "urine therapy" ... 😔
For an early use:

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dentem atque russam defricare gingivam,
ut quo iste vester expolitior dens est,
hoc te amplius bibisse praedicet loti.

This roughly translates as

"Now you are a Celtiberian: in the land of the Celtiberians
they piss in the morning
and brush their teeth and pink gums with it,
so that the more polished their teeth,
the more it shows they have drunk their piss."

The Celtiberians, incidentally, were the main pre-Roman inhabitants of Spain and Portugal.
 
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