Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Terminal Blue]

Just saying "Oh but that won't happen" doesn't excuse the point of suggest they'd like to see it because it would give a hard cutoff for their kids rather than having to figure out how to get them to stop.

And?

Are we getting to the point of literal thought-crime now?

If it were just about manipulative practices the Guardian could have written about that and you know not brought in the China angle or present it as some kind of possible solution that could work and not a rather terrible solution.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think you didn't actually read the article, because they literally did all that.

From collectible card game Hearthstone to Zelda-esque hit Genshin Impact, a Chinese-made blockbuster on both sides of the Great Firewall, it’s all too common for games to be free to play, attracting huge audiences, and then funded by what is effectively a casino. Even games without that fundamentally exploitative underpinning can be all too manipulative. Daily and weekly use-it-or-lose-it quests, login rewards for continuous streaks of play, season passes that ask a player to grind out enough playtime over a couple of months to unlock everything: all are habit-forming practices that are explicitly designed to override a player’s sense of what a normal amount of play actually is.

Tencent’s age verification system wasn’t implemented out of the goodness of the company’s heart and last month a state media editorial attacked the gaming industry for peddling “spiritual opium”. But even against that background, the limits seem excessive.

Again, I really cannot stress how little I love I have for the Guardian. But where exactly is the lie?

Because some people have to be realists and not just do things because it feels good without thinking through the consequences that could happen from it. People were waiting for it because we people who said there was an issue here were getting insulted and shamed for not blindly supporting some idea that would only work in a perfect fantasy world, which we don't live in.

An idea has been implemented in dozens of countries and is being proposed by many more, has the backing of the medical and scientific majority and is generally accepted to be best practice for the treatment of trans people. But sure, keep whining about your very important feelings on the matter. We're all very impressed by them.

Imagine for one moment what would happen if this "realism" were applied to cis men. For one, no more heterosexual marriage. That's banned. No heterosexual cohabitation either. Frankly, all cishet men should really just wear chastity belts. They should have to fill out a form with their prospective partner every time they want to have sex, and even then the sex should be carried out with a camera and bright lighting so that it can be used in the (comparatively likely) event that it goes to court.

See, I don't think you've quite clocked what you're really saying with all this nonsense about self-ID, because what you're actually saying is that men are pigs. Men are animals who cannot be trusted or given any leeway. So, why do trans people have to be punished for that? If you want to be an actual realist, let's just ban men. Ban men from everything. Treat them like the subhumans they are. They'll probably come to enjoy it, because let's be honest, deep down most cis men hate themselves even more than they hate women.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

So we shouldn't try to make laws so they aren't easily abused and should instead forge on ahead with feel good move massively open to abuse the the people hurt by those abusing said laws don't matter?

I'm certain that a black person has, in fact, assaulted somebody in a locker room, but that doesn't mean we should bar black people from locker rooms

Wait, shit, wrong panic

I'm certain that a gay person has, in fact, assaulted somebody in a locker room, but that doesn't mean we should bar gay people from locker rooms

Hold on, that's from when I was a kid. What conservative panic are we on now?

I'm waiting around not salivating but to keep saying "I told you so" every time people push feel good ideas and they go wrong in the exact kind of ways people said they would. Because the actual progress won't be made if the foundations keep collapsing because people were too keep to forge on ahead.

Man, I told you we gotta bar women from being teachers, look at that

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Just so we do some fair and balanced stuff, here is what China is also trying to do

China bans ‘sissy’ and ‘effeminate’ men under new macho media rules - National | Globalnews.ca

China told broadcasters to stick to 'traditional' depictions of men, amid sweeping new media rules.

www.google.com

Broadcaster must:
Reducing celebrity status
Removing vulgar Youtubers (or more specifically the Chinese version). I.e. anyone not traditional
Making sure men are 'masculine'

Two points. 1. Does this not sound exactly like an old president of the US? This law is Trump's wet dreams
2. Does this not sound way worse than a gaming ban? But let's focus on that...

This has been building in background for like the past year or so and is more a weird attack on celebrity culture in general to an extent as they removed I think it was celebrity badges on Weibo (Chinese twitter).

Also the reason for pushing macho men over effeminate men is it's better for the Party and it's workforce. They want a workforce of the kind of people Dylan Moran calls in when something goes wrong


They don't want Dyan Moran type men because they're more bourgeois types and that's a Western Capitalist idea that they should enjoy themselves and not work purely for the benefit and betterment of the party.

Oddly it's also the same kind of attitude pushed in North Korea according to reporting I've heard.

So yeh dunno where on the Woke / Anti-Woke scale it really falls here really because it's not so much harkening back to some supposed bygone era as much as it is the state trying to stop out individuality and people seeing themselves as anything other than workers for the state.

China cracks down on celebrity online culture

Weibo is to remove a list ranking celebrities by popularity on social media amid state criticism.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

And?

Are we getting to the point of literal thought-crime now?

Bit of a difference between thought crime and expressing the desire for said restrictions to be implemented. They can say it, people can and will mock them for such a stupid position.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think you didn't actually read the article, because they literally did all that.

Except the major point being they did bring in the China angle so as I said if they had NOT brought in that angle they could have still covered said stuff but the China angle muddied the water so much it's a case of making it look like China were offering a good solution.

Again, I really cannot stress how little I love I have for the Guardian. But where exactly is the lie?

There is no lie but it can still be badly presented. I never said they did lie. It was you who said I lied.

An idea has been implemented in dozens of countries and is being proposed by many more, has the backing of the medical and scientific majority and is generally accepted to be best practice for the treatment of trans people. But sure, keep whining about your very important feelings on the matter. We're all very impressed by them.

Imagine for one moment what would happen if this "realism" were applied to cis men. For one, no more heterosexual marriage. That's banned. No heterosexual cohabitation either. Frankly, all cishet men should really just wear chastity belts. They should have to fill out a form with their prospective partner every time they want to have sex, and even then the sex should be carried out with a camera and bright lighting so that it can be used in the (comparatively likely) event that it goes to court.

See, I don't think you've quite clocked what you're really saying with all this nonsense about self-ID, because what you're actually saying is that men are pigs. Men are animals who cannot be trusted or given any leeway. So, why do trans people have to be punished for that? If you want to be an actual realist, let's just ban men. Ban men from everything. Treat them like the subhumans they are. They'll probably come to enjoy it, because let's be honest, deep down most cis men hate themselves even more than they hate women.

Pretty sure the implementation is still more social transition rather than pure self identification. Thus as an example your driving licence or some documents showing said transition and there being some show of a social transition having happened. But hey as you've decided to go full on I guess I'll go full on and say I guess any women that will get harmed by malicious individuals abusing such a system as pure self identification are just acceptable casualties in the name of progress right?

As for the comment about Hetrosexual men........yeh it's not only them and I can probably pull reports and stats to show just pinning it on Cishet men doesn't truly show the scale of the issue.

You're last point. Well it's pretty simple. Do you lock your door when you leave the house?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I'm certain that a black person has, in fact, assaulted somebody in a locker room, but that doesn't mean we should bar black people from locker rooms

Wait, shit, wrong panic

I'm certain that a gay person has, in fact, assaulted somebody in a locker room, but that doesn't mean we should bar gay people from locker rooms

Probably but then there's very much not a I think it's minimum of 14% strength difference just because you're gay thus there's very much the position of if they try there is more of a chance of an equal footing fight happening as the person they tried to attack fights back.

I get it's seen as rather awful backwards and sexist these days the idea of protecting the weaker but well yeh it comes down to a that biological difference because testosterone it's a hell of a drug. Hold on, that's from when I was a kid. What conservative panic are we on now?

Man, I told you we gotta bar women from being teachers, look at that

Well there is or was a push for men to go into teaching due to lack of men and "positive Male role models" for some kids.

 

[Hawki]

Graphic Novels Are Comic Books, But Gentrified

In the age of gentrification, a financial logic shapes cultural products just as much as the neighborhoods we live in. The rise of graphic novels is a case of aesthetic gentrification — the transformation of comic books into a glossier product marked by high prices and middle-class values.

jacobinmag.com

God damn it, who knew that every time I purchased a graphic novel I was a damn dirty gentrifier?

Good thing most of the comics I read are on Kindle or Dark Horse Digital.

Or does that mean I'm taking part in Internet supremacy and exacerbating the digital divide?

 

[Terminal Blue]

Thus as an example your driving licence or some documents showing said transition and there being some show of a social transition having happened.

No. That literally never happens in any case when someone applies to change their legal sex, self-declared or not, because it would be weird and unnecessary, not to mention a huge breach of privacy. Your driving license is a legal document. If you medically transition or are diagnosed with GD, that goes on your medical records because it's medically relevant, it's not relevant to your legal/bureaucratic identity in government records.

Also, how would this influence who is allowed in changing rooms?

"Socially transitioning" is really none of anyone's business. Noone keeps track of whether or not you have socially transitioned. Also, socially transitioning doesn't require you to "pass" as your acquired gender, all it means is that you are living openly as your acquired gender, whatever that means in context.

As for the comment about Hetrosexual men........yeh it's not only them and I can probably pull reports and stats to show just pinning it on Cishet men doesn't truly show the scale of the issue.

Of course not. It just shows almost all of the scale of the issue.

And you know it. Of course you know it. You know that it's reasonable for women to be frightened of men, your entire argument depends on it. You just won't admit what you're actually saying because it scares you. Men are pigs. Men will find ways to abuse everyone around them. They are soulless empty husks driven by a pathological need to abuse others. So why not be a "realist" about that, why not admit that something needs to be done about the real problem. Men have too much freedom, and they do nothing but abuse it. If men want to be animals, let them be treated like animals. Let them find out what domestication feels like. Again, I'm sure most of them will love it.

By the way, this is a joke. I assume most of you figured that, but just in case.

You're last point. Well it's pretty simple. Do you lock your door when you leave the house?

Sure I do, but not because I think I'm going to be burgled by trans people.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

No. That literally never happens in any case when someone applies to change their legal sex, self-declared or not, because it would be weird and unnecessary, not to mention a huge breach of privacy. Your driving license is a legal document. If you medically transition or are diagnosed with GD, that goes on your medical records because it's medically relevant, it's not relevant to your legal/bureaucratic identity in government records.

Also, how would this influence who is allowed in changing rooms?

"Socially transitioning" is really none of anyone's business. Noone keeps track of whether or not you have socially transitioned. Also, socially transitioning doesn't require you to "pass" as your acquired gender, all it means is that you are living openly as your acquired gender, whatever that means in context.

You get the Self Identification idea would require none of that right? No documents changed, no diagnosis, no actual attempt to show any kind of transition just a persons say so and any challenge to that could potentially face discrimination charges in court right? That's the difference between social transition standards and self identification standards.

Of course not. It just shows almost all of the scale of the issue.

And you know it. Of course you know it. You know that it's reasonable for women to be frightened of men, your entire argument depends on it. You just won't admit what you're actually saying because it scares you. Men are pigs. Men will find ways to abuse everyone around them. They are soulless empty husks driven by a pathological need to abuse others. So why not be a "realist" about that, why not admit that something needs to be done about the real problem. Men have too much freedom, and they do nothing but abuse it. If men want to be animals, let them be treated like animals. Let them find out what domestication feels like. Again, I'm sure most of them will love it.

By the way, this is a joke. I assume most of you figured that, but just in case.

Admit what?
It's a minority of men who do it.
The present approach would almost certainly be leaving the door open for said minority to take massive advantage of.
Oh and it would be in a place where there are only women about.
The guys who would do this shouldn't be considered Trans Women feel free to call them scumbag men.

Sure I do, but not because I think I'm going to be burgled by trans people.

No but it's only a minority of people who would burgle you right?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So Roy Chubby Brown a UK comedian known for being very offensive has had his latest show cancelled in a city because people were offended by his comedy

Protest planned in Sheffield as Roy ‘Chubby’ Brown show cancelled

A PROTEST is expected to take place at Sheffield City Hall after Roy "Chubby" Brown's show was cancelled following complaints of the nature of the comic's material.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Seanchaidh]

No documents changed, no diagnosis, no actual attempt to show any kind of transition just a persons say so and any challenge to that could potentially face discrimination charges in court right?

oh no! anyway,

So Roy Chubby Brown a UK comedian known for being very offensive

Had you ever heard of this guy before?

 

[AnxietyProne]

So Roy Chubby Brown a UK comedian known for being very offensive has had his latest show cancelled in a city because people were offended by his comedy

Protest planned in Sheffield as Roy ‘Chubby’ Brown show cancelled

A PROTEST is expected to take place at Sheffield City Hall after Roy "Chubby" Brown's show was cancelled following complaints of the nature of the comic's material.

www.express.co.uk

If I were his agent, this would be me....


Right wing sympathy bux ahoy! "Roy, love, play your cards right with this and you'll have a paid gig as a Fox News Contributor before the year's out!"

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Had you ever heard of this guy before?

Yes, not a fan personally but I've definitely heard of him

 

[Baffle]

Had you ever heard of this guy before?

He's a VHS-era comedian (generous description) who's whole bit was just being offensive in that terribly 80s way. Surprised and a little disappointed to find out he's still alive.

 

[Agema]

Had you ever heard of this guy before?

He's fairly well known in the UK.

I saw an interview with him about how he started up. Apparently he was not a terribly successful stand-up comedian in the 80s, and then during one gig where he was faring particularly poorly and the audience were restive, he sort of snapped and starting swearing about why he should have to put up with such shit... and people started laughing. So, quick on the uptake, he started swearing a lot more and being gratuitously rude, and it went down well. Thus, a career was born. Obviously, it excludes him from a lot of the big money in TV, etc. but he's done well on the comedy circuit.

 

[Terminal Blue]

You get the Self Identification idea would require none of that right?

Yes it would.

No documents changed, no diagnosis, no actual attempt to show any kind of transition just a persons say so and any challenge to that could potentially face discrimination charges in court right?

That's not what self-identification means.

Self-identification means you can apply to legally change your sex without requiring extensive medical evidence from a doctor that you have gender dysphoria.

Where are you getting your information from?

It's a minority of men who do it.

Even if that's true, which is frankly debatable, does that matter now?

I can't believe you're willing to sacrifice the safety of women and girls in the name of some utopian, idealistic idea of male equality. I guess all the women who are victims of abuse by men are just acceptable casualties in the name of progress, right?

The present approach would almost certainly be leaving the door open for said minority to take massive advantage of.

And again, there's a much more obvious solution to that minority which correctly apportions blame, rather than expecting an unrelated minority to bear the cost.

If men can't keep their house in order, why do they deserve rights?

Oh and it would be in a place where there are only women about.

And?

Do you think having more men around would make things safer. Do you think men will actually do anything if they witness the abuse of women?

If that's the way you wanna go, just integrate all changing rooms. If there are men around, everyone is safe right?

The guys who would do this shouldn't be considered Trans Women feel free to call them scumbag men.

No.

Going back to all seriousness for a moment, a person's gender identity is not predicated on them being a good person, and believing that it is is a massive insult to every other trans person, because what it actually shows is that you view trans identities as so inauthentic that their existence is contingent on your personal approval. That's not how it works, knock that shit off.

No but it's only a minority of people who would burgle you right?

Sure, but let's not pretend that minority isn't demographically skewed.

Indulging the metaphor, the main problem here is that a group of people, pretty much from birth, have been taught to believe that they have a right to walk through any unlocked door and that the responsibility is on everyone else to protect themselves against them. Trying to shift the debate towards the risk of being burgled by trans people is merely a deflection from that fact, because at the end of the day, the only reason anyone is worried about transwomen at all is because of the perceived resemblance to cis men. Sure, the men who overtly and deliberately abuse women may be "a minority", but those men grew up in the same environment as all the other men, they learned the same lessons and have (broadly speaking) the same mentality. That's why so many men who don't abuse women nonetheless tolerate or participate in the abuse of women.

The reason everyone locks their doors is because everyone knows they can't trust men. Why are you so unwilling to admit where the problem here actually is? You know it. Your entire argument hinges on it.

 

[Hades]

The democratic party cares more about the elite than their own people, not to mention people around the world.

Kinda. But they still care less about the elites than the competition does, and more about the people than the competition does too.

 

[Hades]

People like Jason Schreier are fuckin' retarded.

Eh. Even the people who HATE Schreier don't believe that. Otherwise they wouldn't make gleeful use of the information Scrheier digs up. Its always funny to see these alt right ''gamer channels for the true gamers'' gratefully use the information provided to dunk on the likes of EA because that's what their audience want but still maintain the stance that Schreier is some sort of freak who's always wrong because that's also what their audience wants since he leans to the left and is jewish.

 

[Trunkage]

Well there is or was a push for men to go into teaching due to lack of men and "positive Male role models" for some kids.

How does this relate to some TERF pretending someone is trans when they were cis because they look at certain way?

 

[Hawki]

So I'm editing a Word document and I use the term "puppet master."

Turns out there's an inclusiveness setting in Word now - apparently, "A gender neutral term would be more inclusive."

Suggestions: Expert, Head, Primary

...yeah, sorry Microsoft, I'm going to click on "Ignore Once."

 

[bluegate]

So I'm editing a Word document and I use the term "puppet master."

Turns out there's an inclusiveness setting in Word now - apparently, "A gender neutral term would be more inclusive."

Suggestions: Expert, Head, Primary

...yeah, sorry Microsoft, I'm going to click on "Ignore Once."

Can't wait for redcaps trying to cancel Microsoft and boycotting them.