In no developed, reasonable country would a mourner be forcibly pulled by the arm from their relative's grave. Even if work needed to commence. Besides which, you're simply assuming this is the case, though no such heavy machinery is even visible.
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No, I googled the situation and read a few sources before commenting. It's a pretty good general practice.
But also, go back to post 502, click play on the video, and there's an actively working backhoe in the background like 50 feet away.
They've been demolishing graves there since 2004, so you'll forgive me if I'm not taking them at their word this time around.
Palestinians vow to defend graves in Jerusalem cemetery
Palestinians have been protesting against Israel excavating a Muslim cemetery in Jerusalem to build a national park.
"Dig an adjacent grave". The only reference I can find to their work in the area mentions that they're demolishing the graveyard to build a park. And they've been demolishing graves for years, so this would be perfectly in line with past behaviour.
What sources are you looking at, out of interest? Because nothing I can see supports the "nothing to see here" position.
incoming 4chan post summarizing an OAN story based on an Ann Coulter tweet
A few things before pulling up my browser history: first, I'm not claiming that they were there to dig up an adjacent grave, that was a hypothetical for comparison, and you've already doubled down on that not being an acceptable reason to remove her anyway, so that part of the argument is irrelevant anyway. Second, I'm not saying there's nothing to see here, I'm saying that almost everything Seanchaidh posts from Twitter is deceitful. It is well within reason to question the decision to develop the landscaping so close to graves for a walking path for tourists, it is reasonable to be angry that they started digging next to a historic cemetery without radaring the ground first, there is lots of reasonable criticism. "Ethnic cleansing of the dead" is not it. Shamelessly floating the implication that they destroyed the grave she was on really isn't it. If all you read is that tweet Seanchaidh posted, you'd be left believing that they were demolishing the cemetery and this woman was throwing herself in the way of the bulldozer coming for her sons grave. Some of the most reasonable users on this forum accepted that tweet as accurate. It's not "nothing to see here", but it is "quit your bs" (not directed at you, at the person posting fake nonsense from twitter).
But anyway, I googled the event and read these:
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Israel demolishes Muslim graves near Al-Aqsa mosque
Municipality vehicles leave after Palestinians gather on reports of bones found at cemetery during demolition operation - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr
The graves that were disturbed were those of soldiers "hurriedly buried" in the cemetery following the ceasefire in 1967. "After Palestinians gathered on reports of bones found at the cemetery during the demolition operation, the municipality vehicles left the scene." The disturbed graves were unmarked graves in what otherwise appears to be a vacant lot in the middle of Jerusalem. When they encountered bones, people started protesting, which suggests that people in general didn't know before the work that there were bones there to dig up. I suspect some (likely not all) of the people planning the park knew there were people buried there, and if they didn't that's not an excuse, but that's still so very, very far removed from the implication they were assaulting a woman so that they could destroy her son's grave from underneath her.
Moral of the story: don't trust Seanchaidh twitter posts.
I mean, they aren't going to stop, just like the two previous times they didn't stop destroying graves in the same location.
Other than reporting that they were the graves of people hurriedly buried at the end of a war, and the construction was in the space adjacent to the cemetery, and that people's reactions changed when bones were discovered, and that none of the reporting has stated that grave markers were destroyed? I mean, what would you consider adequate justification?
Edit: Like, if there were smashed headstones, people would be posting pictures of that rather than the bones.
I mean I do, and I barely care about bones. Historically, you're very bad at knowing what other people are thinking
So you actually think people care more about headstones than the remains of their loved ones? Wow.
No, but it isn't the remains of their loved ones that were disturbed. It was people who died in a war 65 years ago, buried there by people who didn't even necessarily know them. Smashing the headstones of fallen soldiers would be a more significant act of aggression than just disturbing the earth.
Which you all know, or you wouldn't even be arguing with me about whether or not they were marked graves.
No, it wasn't for "comparison". It was offering a specific explanation without any supporting evidence, specifically to make the soldiers' actions look more reasonable. It's not relevant to that whether I myself find that explanation insufficient. It's relevant that you did.
OK, stop, stop stop stop.
I did not just mindlessly accept what a 1-minute twitter video showed as proof of ethnic cleansing. What I did take it as, is evidence of heavy-handedness and lack of concern towards a mourner. That much is shown explicitly in the video itself. But you saw fit to act dismissively even towards that.
With regards to the wider statement on ethnic cleansing, there is significant additional context. There is documented evidence, going back for decades, of deliberate destruction of Palestinian gravesites. And there is a clear difference in how Muslim graves specifically are treated. When you see a video like this, showing something pretty fucking iffy, then you recall the recent-historical context.
I used the words "if" and "would". It was an explicitly counterfactual assessment.
I never said that you did. You stepped into the middle of an argument with Seanchaidh, none of my arguments are going to apply to any reasonable human being when catered to someone so far away from reason. I understand you all have fun disagreeing with me, and I really do appreciate it, but I wish you'd all stop jumping into arguments against positions you don't agree with and trying to use your own positions as a counterpoint. Again, the moral hear is don't trust tweets posted by Seanchaidh. I don't think you personally jumped to conclusions about ethnic cleansing, but that is what another user here wants you to do, so please just let me bury that user's silly nonsense unimpeded.
You've still never made an argument to me ever.
The nation that has been oppressing your people for nigh on half a decade come in and start digging up the bodies of your dead, and you'll just say "eh, have at it"?