Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Trunkage]

"Who cares how it will be used, we just want to know if we can" is the reason why students going to school for engineering need to take multiple ethics classes.

Who are you to determine what their ethical obligation is? Are you their Sage King?

I mean, multiple ethics classes should be necessary for every profession. I think that would benefit society greatly. Business owners for one. Politicians would be another

But, unfortunately in this Culture War era, unless it's what Tucker believes should happen, he'll send his minions in to stalk and yell death threats at you

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So some more woke world stuff

Biden becomes Mr Trump*

Shocked Camilla ‘hasn’t stopped talking about’ hearing Biden ‘break wind’ at Cop26

‘It was long and loud and impossible to ignore,’ source quoted as saying

www.independent.co.uk

Here's another you every been so woke you want to take away black peoples right to vote? Well here's some-one pushing that idea because how dare black people not vote how she wants



* To trump is an English euphemism meaning to fart based on the longer phrase "trouser trumpeting"

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I mean, multiple ethics classes should be necessary for every profession. I think that would benefit society greatly. Business owners for one. Politicians would be another

But, unfortunately in this Culture War era, unless it's what Tucker believes should happen, he'll send his minions in to stalk and yell death threats at you

Yeh no.

The issue these days is we have the post modern deconstructionists who have taken control of the pushes this everything must be deconstructed and operate how they see fit or it's bad.

Science? Gotta deconstruct that it's racist because it doesn't acknowledge bush magic as real and that's "African Science" or some nonsense.

Teaching your kid to read? Racist because some black families don't have time to do that so all kinds should only learn to read in school no extra teaching ever.

Too many boys in certain subjects? Sexist, clearly the subject needs changing to get more women studying it, ignore the fact women actually outnumber men in college overall there's too many men in these subjects.

Maths? Well 2+2 =5 now because you must respect everyone's views because in some circumstances it does so the very core basis and understanding of maths needs to be changed

 

[Gordon_4]

So some more woke world stuff

Biden becomes Mr Trump*

Shocked Camilla ‘hasn’t stopped talking about’ hearing Biden ‘break wind’ at Cop26

‘It was long and loud and impossible to ignore,’ source quoted as saying

www.independent.co.uk

Here's another you every been so woke you want to take away black peoples right to vote? Well here's some-one pushing that idea because how dare black people not vote how she wants



* To trump is an English euphemism meaning to fart based on the longer phrase "trouser trumpeting"

Never in my life with all my English grown family have they ever used the term 'trump' to mean fart. Or their relatives. Or other people I know from the UK. Been used a million times to describe getting one up on someone.

Also Helen, resign and go home, you're fucking drunk. Or just too damn stupid to hold office. One of the two.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You don't need to get more information by stopping someone else using something they think is worth using, and you don't make the case for that by just talking about random irrelevant subjects like racism.

My claim is that nobody knows someone else's obligations better than themselves, to not dictate it to other people. If you're an anthropologist and YOU want to stop telling skeletons apart and you think this will further science and humanity...cool. Go do that. Nobody's stopping you.

Literally zero people are saying "we need to stop telling skeletons apart" outside of some dramatically bullshit outrage peddlers.

You are literally dictating what somebody else's ethics should be. You see the self-defeating argument, yes? And that this paper is making an argument, not dictating terms?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Literally zero people are saying "we need to stop spelling skelletons apart" outside of some dramatically bullshit outrage peddlers.

You are literally dictating what somebody else's ethics should be. You see the self-defeating argument, yes? And that this paper is making an argument, not dictating terms?

But this whole argument was about people objecting to the race of skeletons being brought up................

 

[Trunkage]

Yeh no.

The issue these days is we have the post modern deconstructionists who have taken control of the pushes this everything must be deconstructed and operate how they see fit or it's bad.

Science? Gotta deconstruct that it's racist because it doesn't acknowledge bush magic as real and that's "African Science" or some nonsense.

Teaching your kid to read? Racist because some black families don't have time to do that so all kinds should only learn to read in school no extra teaching ever.

Too many boys in certain subjects? Sexist, clearly the subject needs changing to get more women studying it, ignore the fact women actually outnumber men in college overall there's too many men in these subjects.

Maths? Well 2+2 =5 now because you must respect everyone's views because in some circumstances it does so the very core basis and understanding of maths needs to be changed

When you say 2+2=5, just know thats how everyone thinks of conservatives.

They've been shown time and again to be wrong for well over 2 centuries. And then pretend they are right.

Case in point. Your example of 'sexist' classes. You gave an answer of 5. You then pretended someone else point gave an answer of 5 (otherwise known as strawmanning), and gave a very good demonstration that you didn't understand what theh said. Then you wonder why people disagree with you.

But sure. Go on about that evil post-modern people

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

When you say 2+2=5, just know thats how everyone thinks of conservatives.

They've been shown time and again to be wrong for well over 2 centuries. And then pretend they are right.

So tell me how did all those oh so progressive communist revolutions end up going in the end?

2+2 = 5 was literally a thing pushed on twitter the other year to try and push the idea that objectivity as a concept is impossible and everything must be acknowledged as absolute subjectivity. Thus 2+2=5 must be a correct answer because in some situations with extra factors it could be. That's the modern idea of progress to eliminate any concept of socially accepted standards that society relies upon to function.

I mean remember how vaccine passports were a right wing conspiracy theory? How about the Wuhan Lab leak theory? The claims about awful shit happening and being covered up in Hollywood? Hillary Clinton actually not being well? Jesus even Alex jones was partially right about chemicals in the water affecting frogs and that dude was probably only doing it to shill tap water filters.

Case in point. Your example of 'sexist' classes. You gave an answer of 5. You then pretended someone else point gave an answer of 5 (otherwise known as strawmanning), and gave a very good demonstration that you didn't understand what theh said. Then you wonder why people disagree with you.

But sure. Go on about that evil post-modern people

I gave 5 examples as part of a larger trend of ethics issues becoming a playground for activists to try and portray all kinds of things as ethics issues. I mean come on there's presently an argument going on that stating the race of ancient skeletal remains should be stopped because it's harmful and that's before you get to groups like the Fallists and people pushing "Indigenous Science" crap.

Do I need to list group after group or does 5 count as an acceptable number to show part of the trend and yes people are trying to convince people to hire them to teach these classes under the guise of ethics in certain fields.

 

[Agema]

Case in point. Your example of 'sexist' classes.

Let me guess. This is one of those situations when 100 of the most ludicrous Twitter denizens are claimed to be a serious attempt to reform whole academic disciplines despite the fact they'll clearly never get any traction.

Strawman indeed.

 

[Dreiko]

Let me guess. This is one of those situations when 100 of the most ludicrous Twitter denizens are claimed to be a serious attempt to reform whole academic disciplines despite the fact they'll clearly never get any traction.

Strawman indeed.

I wish this standard was always what we used, even when it's not crazy sjw twitter people but rape-threat-sending 12 year old kids. Cause I totally am with you on not painting a whole group by what a crazy minority does, but somehow when it's thought to be gamers or something like that people seem to be fine with smearing everyone with those acts.


Pretty sure those rape and death threats got no traction either, but that never seemed to matter, people just spun it as some sort of "culture" that can just exist without gaining traction yet still be malicious somehow.

 

[Trunkage]

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So tell me how did all those oh so progressive communist revolutions end up going in the end?

2+2 = 5 was literally a thing pushed on twitter the other year to try and push the idea that objectivity as a concept is impossible and everything must be acknowledged as absolute subjectivity. Thus 2+2=5 must be a correct answer because in some situations with extra factors it could be. That's the modern idea of progress to eliminate any concept of socially accepted standards that society relies upon to function.

I mean remember how vaccine passports were a right wing conspiracy theory? How about the Wuhan Lab leak theory? The claims about awful shit happening and being covered up in Hollywood? Hillary Clinton actually not being well? Jesus even Alex jones was partially right about chemicals in the water affecting frogs and that dude was probably only doing it to shill tap water filters.

1. Progressive =/= Communist. Some can be. Most are not
2. Progressive =/= revolutionary. Some can be. Most are not
3. Clinton is def =/= Progressive. It's got nothing really to do with what you said. Just want to be clear.
4. That picture of Winston Churchill you provided is a VERY good example of conservatives doing 2+2=5. He's trying to look 'masculine'. With his clothes, stance and facial expression. Unfortunately, none of these are related to genes. It's all social make believe. Role playing, LARPIng. I.e. its a made up answer
5. Alex Jones may have had a small fact but blew it ridiculous out of proportion, including making it look intentional, rather than a screw up.
6. As for passports, its like Alex Jones. They made a mountain out of a mole hill. THAT was the conspiracy theory.
7. Hollywood? Right wing conspiracy? I'm pretty sure many on the Left was pointing out that nonsense as well
8. Still making not much of a comment on the Lab. We still dont know. And, since its been 2 years, we may never know.
9. *Looks around at the West, which is definitely not caused by conservatives, and mainly by progressives* I think that progressive are doing quite well.
10. The problem with 2 + 2 = 5, to me, is that all those things are made up. 2 is not a real thing. It's made up by humans. As far as I understand, that's what they were trying to point to

I gave 5 examples as part of a larger trend of ethics issues becoming a playground for activists to try and portray all kinds of things as ethics issues. I mean come on there's presently an argument going on that stating the race of ancient skeletal remains should be stopped because it's harmful and that's before you get to groups like the Fallists and people pushing "Indigenous Science" crap.

Do I need to list group after group or does 5 count as an acceptable number to show part of the trend and yes people are trying to convince people to hire them to teach these classes under the guise of ethics in certain fields.

No, just take each case individually. Like a normal person.

People used to say that girls weren't good at math. We found out that was just a lie but it hurt a bunch of women's futures. That doesn't mean that some girl being rejected from an engineering course is sexist.

Just personally, if you going to allow Ivermectin to be tested as Covid cure, you should let in the Indigenous medicine. It makes about as much sense

 

[Buyetyen]

Pretty sure those rape and death threats got no traction either, but that never seemed to matter, people just spun it as some sort of "culture" that can just exist without gaining traction yet still be malicious somehow.

Just to be clear, you do know that in the US, sending threatening messages of any kind is a felony, right? Being wrong on the internet, not so much. No, I don't think the people sending those threats speak for everyone on their side of the aisle, but again, you know... felony. Not quite the same as just being dumb.

 

[Agema]

I wish this standard was always what we used, even when it's not crazy sjw twitter people but rape-threat-sending 12 year old kids. Cause I totally am with you on not painting a whole group by what a crazy minority does, but somehow when it's thought to be gamers or something like that people seem to be fine with smearing everyone with those acts.

Christ. What is wrong with you?

It is not the same as death and rape threats, because the recipient of such threats has no way of knowing whether they are being threatened by a 12-year-old for lols or a 30-year-old Nazi-admirer with an extensive history of violence. And the unfortunate truth is that, although relatively rare, some people really do get murdered. Thus receiving copious threats by email is for many people highly disturbing.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

1. Progressive =/= Communist. Some can be. Most are not
2. Progressive =/= revolutionary. Some can be. Most are not
3. Clinton is def =/= Progressive. It's got nothing really to do with what you said. Just want to be clear.
4. That picture of Winston Churchill you provided is a VERY good example of conservatives doing 2+2=5. He's trying to look 'masculine'. With his clothes, stance and facial expression. Unfortunately, none of these are related to genes. It's all social make believe. Role playing, LARPIng. I.e. its a made up answer
5. Alex Jones may have had a small fact but blew it ridiculous out of proportion, including making it look intentional, rather than a screw up.
6. As for passports, its like Alex Jones. They made a mountain out of a mole hill. THAT was the conspiracy theory.
7. Hollywood? Right wing conspiracy? I'm pretty sure many on the Left was pointing out that nonsense as well
8. Still making not much of a comment on the Lab. We still dont know. And, since its been 2 years, we may never know.
9. *Looks around at the West, which is definitely not caused by conservatives, and mainly by progressives* I think that progressive are doing quite well.
10. The problem with 2 + 2 = 5, to me, is that all those things are made up. 2 is not a real thing. It's made up by humans. As far as I understand, that's what they were trying to point to

1) These days it is with many so called progressives adopting tactics seen by and used by communist groups of the past.
2) If you don't support the revolution then you're not progressive enough as such and don't support progress enough.
3) Yet that is the joke of modern progressives. Hillary had to be supported because she's a woman, the stack says she is more progressive all hail the stack.
4) I'm guessing you missed the point of the photo. "Conservatives have consistently been proved wrong". So Churchill was wrong in you view to stand up the the Nazis?
5) That's kind of his brand at this point.
6) No it was being said to be a conspiracy theory that they'd even happen or come in.
7) Because it was that obvious lol
8) We don't know for sure but it going from conspiracy theory to considered possibility shows something there.
9) Ah yes the oh so conservative San Fran tech triangle etc lol
10) Yes so? It's how we understand the world and required to function though but those pointing it out are doing so like some-how things should change to how they wish because everything is perception based but they're trying to argue their position is valid when it's doubtful they actually are perceiving anything different to others just making outrageous claims. Just because 1 and 2 from our perspective are 1 and two when they may in reality be the same thing doesn't mean we have to acknowledge that 2+2 = 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 as right just because from the perspective of Flob the alien from the planet Omitorc 7 percieves the multiverse so sees the 1 and 2 because using their rules based on their perspective would likely match up with our own on some level.

No, just take each case individually. Like a normal person.

I do, but again I'm pointing out an issue with a trend being pushed in terms of ethics classes etc.

People used to say that girls weren't good at math. We found out that was just a lie but it hurt a bunch of women's futures. That doesn't mean that some girl being rejected from an engineering course is sexist.

If you believe certain people yes it does because she was clearly only rejected due to unconscious bias either on the part of the board interviewing her or society as a whole. Because modern progressive theory not supported by most science suggests men and women would be exactly the same except for genitals / external stuff if society weren't sexist. (ignore all the generalised behavioural and cultural differences between the sexes in basically all of nature)

Just personally, if you going to allow Ivermectin to be tested as Covid cure, you should let in the Indigenous medicine. It makes about as much sense

I mean they likely are testing stuff derived from said ideas and things. But generally they start looking to see if it has actual beneficial effects to start with then trying to find and extract the active ingredients to make a purified form of it. Also people rather object to testing other stuff like snorting ground rhino horn and other stuff.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

One from woke world

Brothel Offers People 30 Minutes With 'Lady Of Their Choice' In Exchange For Covid Jab

The Fun Palast brothel in Vienna, Austria, is offering customers 30 minutes with a 'lady of their choice' in exchange for the jab

www.ladbible.com

Why woke world?
Because it's trying to encourage people to get the vaccine while entirely failing at the science.
So people who get vaccinated on site get 30 minutes with a lady of their choice, ok but at no point is that identified as a token or something else.
Why would that matter you ask?
Well the vaccine takes 7-14 days to fully take effect so if you're getting the jab then having a session you're not actually properly protected. It's also being suggested you can transmit the virus sexually

Do Not Neglect the Covid-19 Transmission Through Sexual Intercourse - PubMed

Transmission of the virus through semen should be taken seriously in patients and the necessary education should be given to men and their sexual partners. Health care providers need to increase their knowledge and awareness to provide the best practices to reduction the risks related to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Another woke world event.

Superman Artists, Studio Call for LAPD Patrols After Bi Backlash & Threats

Jon Kent kissing a guy led to threats being made.

www.tmz.com

DC Comics illustrators are ‘receiving death threats’ over Superman’s bisexuality

‘The extra protection comes after major backlash that included some so-called fans making threats,’ an LAPD source said

www.independent.co.uk

LAPD police called to protect the homes of the writer and illustrator for DC's bisexual Superman comic.

Only problem with it

No DC Comics Police Calls Over Bisexual Superman Death Threats

A couple of days ago, TMZ reported under the headline "SUPERMAN Bisexual Backlash Spurs LAPD PROTECTION FOR ARTISTS, STUDIO" that "LAPD officers were

bleedingcool.com

The writer lives in Australia and the illustrator lives in Costa Rica.
Funny of them to call the LAPD isn't it? Man the LAPD budget will be stretched having to send officers to patrol houses of creators in other countries lol

 

[Terminal Blue]

I think you can list differences without placing value on them.

Humans are different from each other in an incredibly range and variety of ways. Most of those ways have little value placed on them, which is why they are not important and why noone talks about them. They can be relevant to research, but mostly to the degree that they relate to other things that have meaningful value.

Race is not one of those differences. Race is not even a real difference between people at all. It's a made up division of the world into "types" of people. The characteristics which are used to determine what "race" someone falls into may be real physical properties, but the idea that those properties are enough to constitute a thing called "race" has no basis in reality at all. At the end of the day, having more or less melanin in your skin means you have more or less melanin in your skin. It may correlate with other physical differences between human bodies, but it does not create new types of people without someone deciding that that physical difference has some kind of metaphysical value.

The only reason race exists, the only reason it matters to anyone is because race is saturated with ideas about the nature and value of people, ideas that have no place in any kind of scientific understanding of the world. If you want to study the global distribution of lactose intolerance, do that. But it does no credit to anyone to pretend that by doing that you're bringing these magical categories of people into existence.

 

[Dreiko]

Christ. What is wrong with you?

It is not the same as death and rape threats, because the recipient of such threats has no way of knowing whether they are being threatened by a 12-year-old for lols or a 30-year-old Nazi-admirer with an extensive history of violence. And the unfortunate truth is that, although relatively rare, some people really do get murdered. Thus receiving copious threats by email is for many people highly disturbing.

Yes and some people do get cancelled too but that also doesn't somehow make it into a big issue. And again someone being cancelled has no way of knowing if they're just being targeted by some random twitter denizen or if it's some D list e-celebrity with a campaign to get em fired, against which they have no recourse just like the victim of a physical crime. The principle is the same, and while the degree is different it shouldn't really matter with regards to the correctness of such generalizations.

Both lightly shoving someone and hitting them over the head with a chair are wrong.

Just to be clear, you do know that in the US, sending threatening messages of any kind is a felony, right? Being wrong on the internet, not so much. No, I don't think the people sending those threats speak for everyone on their side of the aisle, but again, you know... felony. Not quite the same as just being dumb.

Sure, and I think trying to get people fired when you have no authority on the matter as a form of punishing them outside of the confines of the justice system should also be a crime but this is a relatively new phenomenon and the law is notoriously slow in adapting to these technology-based things, since most people who make laws are too old to grasp those technologies.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Humans are different from each other in an incredibly range and variety of ways. Most of those ways have little value placed on them, which is why they are not important and why noone talks about them. They can be relevant to research, but mostly to the degree that they relate to other things that have meaningful value.

Race is not one of those differences. Race is not even a real difference between people at all. It's a made up division of the world into "types" of people. The characteristics which are used to determine what "race" someone falls into may be real physical properties, but the idea that those properties are enough to constitute a thing called "race" has no basis in reality at all. At the end of the day, having more or less melanin in your skin means you have more or less melanin in your skin. It may correlate with other physical differences between human bodies, but it does not create new types of people without someone deciding that that physical difference has some kind of metaphysical value.

The only reason race exists, the only reason it matters to anyone is because race is saturated with ideas about the nature and value of people, ideas that have no place in any kind of scientific understanding of the world. If you want to study the global distribution of lactose intolerance, do that. But it does no credit to anyone to pretend that by doing that you're bringing these magical categories of people into existence.

Except it would kind of be important if you suddenly found a person whose heritage just didn't match like if you found an Ancient Chinese Skeleton buried in ta US desert dated to before the USA was stumbled upon by the Columbus

 

[Agema]

Yes and some people do get cancelled too

Maybe you're in the wrong thread. We're discussing whether a few people on Twitter allegedly claiming we should teach African bush magic as science are ever going to be anything but a few weirdos who are going to be roundly ignored, which you inappropriately equate with sending people rape threats.

And when this is pointed out you, you move the goalposts to "cancelling", which is just a feeble attempt to pretend you haven't made a thoroughly stupid comparison.