Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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Anyway, did you ever check the dates on your articles @tstorm823 ? They're all Oct. 11.

Now, this one is Oct. 25, same day as the tweet:


And this one is Nov. 3:


Can you think of a simple explanation for why three articles from Oct. 11 wouldn't speak of an event described in a tweet from Oct. 25?
 

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JERUSALEM (AP) — Security researchers disclosed Monday that spyware from the notorious Israeli hacker-for-hire company NSO Group was detected on the cellphones of six Palestinian human rights activists, half affiliated with groups that Israel’s defense minister controversially claimed were involved in terrorism.

The revelation marks the first known instance of Palestinian activists being targeted by the military-grade Pegasus spyware. Its use against journalists, rights activists and political dissidents from Mexico to Saudi Arabia has been documented since 2015.

A successful Pegasus infection surreptitiously gives intruders access to everything a person stores and does on their phone, including real-time communications.

It’s not clear who placed the NSO spyware on the activists’ phones, said the researcher who first detected it, Mohammed al-Maskati of the nonprofit Frontline Defenders.

Shortly after the first two intrusions were identified in mid-October, Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz declared six Palestinian civil society groups to be terrorist organizations. Ireland-based Frontline Defenders and at least two of the victims say they consider Israel the main suspect and believe the designation may have been timed to try to overshadow the hacks’ discovery, though they have provided no evidence to substantiate those assertions.

Israel has provided little evidence publicly to support the terrorism designation, which the Palestinian groups say aims to dry up their funding and muzzle opposition to Israeli military rule. Three of the hacked Palestinians work for the civil society groups. The others do not, and wish to remain anonymous, Frontline Defenders says.

The forensic findings, independently confirmed by security researchers from Amnesty International and the University of Toronto’s Citizen Lab in a joint technical report, come as NSO Group faces growing condemnation over the abuse of its spyware and Israel takes heat for lax oversight of its digital surveillance industry.

Last week, the Biden administration blacklisted the NSO Group and a lesser-known Israeli competitor, Candiru, barring them from U.S. technology.

Asked about the allegations its software was used against the Palestinian activists, NSO Group said in a statement that it does not identify its customers for contractual and national security reasons, is not privy to whom they hack and sells only to government agencies for use against “serious crime and terror.”

An Israeli defense official said in a brief statement that the designation of the six organizations was based on solid evidence and that any claim it is related to the use of NSO software is unfounded. The statement had no other details, and officials declined requests for further comment. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss security matters.

Israel’s Defense Ministry approves the export of spyware produced by NSO Group and other private Israeli companies that recruit from the country’s top cyber-capable military units. Critics say the process is opaque.

It’s not known precisely when or how the phones were violated, the security researchers said. But four of the six hacked iPhones exclusively used SIM cards issued by Israeli telecom companies with Israeli +972 area code numbers, said the Citizen Lab and Amnesty researchers. That led them to question claims by NSO Group that exported versions of Pegasus cannot be used to hack Israeli phone numbers. NSO Group has also said it doesn’t target U.S. numbers.

Among those hacked was Ubai Aboudi, a 37-year-old economist and U.S. citizen. He runs the seven-person Bisan Center for Research and Development in Ramallah, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, one of the six groups Gantz slapped with terrorist designations on Oct. 22.

The other two hacked Palestinians who agreed to be named are researcher Ghassan Halaika of the Al-Haq rights group and attorney Salah Hammouri of Addameer, also a human rights organization. The other three designated groups are Defense for Children International-Palestine, the Union of Palestinian Women’s Committees and the Union of Agricultural Work Committees.

Aboudi said he lost “any sense of safety” through the “dehumanizing” hack of a phone that is at his side day and night and holds photos of his three children. He said his wife, the first three nights after learning of the hack, “didn’t sleep from the idea of having such deep intrusions into our privacy.”

He was especially concerned about eavesdroppers being privy to his communications with foreign diplomats. The researchers’ examination of Aboudi’s phone determined it was infected by Pegasus in February.

Aboudi accused Israel of “sticking the terrorist logo” on the groups after failing to persuade European governments and others to cut off financial support.

Israel says the groups are linked to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a leftist political faction with an armed wing that has killed Israelis. Israel and Western governments consider the PFLP a terror group. Aboudi was detained years ago on allegations of being a PFLP member but denies ever belonging to the group.

Tehilla Shwartz Altshuler, a legal expert at the Israel Democracy Institute, called the findings “really disturbing,” especially if it is proven that Israel’s security agencies, who are largely exempt from the country’s privacy laws, have been using NSO Group’s commercial spyware.


“This actually complicates the relationship of the government with NSO,” said Altshuler, if the government is indeed both a client and regulator in a relationship conducted under secrecy.


The executive director of Frontline Defenders, Andrew Anderson, said the NSO Group cannot be trusted to ensure its spyware is not used illegally by its customers and says Israel should face international reproach if it does not bring the company to heel.

“If the Israeli government refuses to take action then this should have consequences in terms of the regulation of trade with Israel,” he said via email.

Al-Maskati, the researcher who discovered the hacks, said he was first alerted on Oct. 16 by Halaika, whose phone was determined to have been hacked in July 2020. Al-Haq engages in sensitive communications with the International Criminal Court, among others, involving alleged human rights abuses.

“As human rights defenders living under occupation, we expect it was the (Israeli) occupation,” Halaika said when asked who he believed was behind the hack.

The phone of the third named hacking victim, Hammouri, was apparently compromised in April, the researchers said. A dual French national living in Jerusalem, Hammouri was notified by Israel on Oct. 18 of its intent to deport him, Frontline Defenders said.

Hammouri declined to speculate who was behind the hack, saying “we have to determine who had the ability and who had the motive.”

After Halaika alerted him, Al-Maskati said he scanned 75 phones of Palestinian activists, finding the six infections. He could not determine how the phones were hacked, he said, though the timeline of evidence encountered indicated the use of a so-called “iMessage zero-click” exploit NSO Group used on iPhones. The exploit is highly effective, requiring no user intervention, as phishing attempts typically do.

Facebook has sued NSO Group over the use of a somewhat similar exploit that allegedly intruded via its globally popular encrypted WhatsApp messaging app.

A snowballing of new revelations about the hacking of public figures — including Hungarian investigative journalists, the fiancée of slain Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi and an ex-wife of the ruler of Dubai — has occurred since a consortium of international news organizations reported in July on a list of possible NSO Group surveillance targets. The list was obtained from an unnamed source by Amnesty International and the Paris-based journalism nonprofit Forbidden Stories. Among those listed was an Associated Press journalist.

From that list of 50,000 phone numbers, reporters from various news organizations were able to confirm at least 47 additional successful hacks, the Washington Post has reported. NSO Group denied ever maintaining such a list.
 

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Anyway, did you ever check the dates on your articles @tstorm823 ? They're all Oct. 11.

Now, this one is Oct. 25, same day as the tweet:


And this one is Nov. 3:


Can you think of a simple explanation for why three articles from Oct. 11 wouldn't speak of an event described in a tweet from Oct. 25?
Did you read those articles?
" Over the last two weeks, the Israeli occupation authorities demolished part of the cemetery over the weekend, exposing human remains buried in a section where Jordanian soldiers killed during the 1967 war were laid to rest, WAFA reported. "

" the occupation authorities tightened their siege on the cemetery after working for a week to construct a wall separating the Martyrs’ Monument and the cemetery.”

Your newer sources not only do not mention the removal of any marked graves, not only confirm the disturbed remains are from the war, but add that they constructed a wall between the work site and the cemetery. Note: I would not describe the wall that way, as the contention is that the unmarked space is a cemetery for unknown soldiers, but your source chose to phrase it that way, suggesting once again that the area they are making into a "public garden" is not the cemetery.
 

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They're the same organization that made the tweet.
And? The lack of that tweet's content in their actual reporting is supposed to mean the tweet is more accurate?

Like, the tweet you posted is deceptive and misleading, while not be technically incorrect. Why? Because they didn't say "ethnic cleansing of the dead", they asked "ethnic cleansing of the dead?", and they didn't say they were trying to destroy the son's grave, only that she was trying to prevent them from destroying it. So they convince normal people that something horrendous is going on through implications while being able to say "we didn't technically lie to you". But they effectively lie. I know this. You know this. You've been trying to bait me into the technicality argument for pages, but (again) you aren't very good at semantic arguments.

Seriously, if anyone else is reading this right now, do not trust any of the tweets Seanchaidh posts. They use deceptive clickbait nonsense tactics that deliberately lead you to jump to the wrong conclusions, conclusions that organizations like this one wouldn't be willing to actually write on their websites where they'd be accountable for the reporting, and then Seanchaidh posts them here knowing that it's disseminating misinformation. If you see a tweet like this and think "That's excessively revulsive", stop yourself and remember that it's almost certainly not real.
 

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Neither of us know this. You're just jumping to the conclusion you want.
I don't believe you are the dumbest person alive. I believe you know exactly what you are doing when you post things like this. If you want to maintain that you are the dumbest person alive instead, that is your prerogative. I still won't believe that is the case personally, but you can tell everyone else that's the case if it makes you happy.
 

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I used the words "if" and "would". It was an explicitly counterfactual assessment.
Oh, OK.

And "if" the President was secretly a lizard person, we "would" be justified in storming the White House! I like this approach, we don't need to worry about pesky reason at all.

I never said that you did. You stepped into the middle of an argument with Seanchaidh, none of my arguments are going to apply to any reasonable human being when catered to someone so far away from reason. I understand you all have fun disagreeing with me, and I really do appreciate it, but I wish you'd all stop jumping into arguments against positions you don't agree with and trying to use your own positions as a counterpoint. Again, the moral hear is don't trust tweets posted by Seanchaidh. I don't think you personally jumped to conclusions about ethnic cleansing, but that is what another user here wants you to do, so please just let me bury that user's silly nonsense unimpeded.
Your point was not limited to just throwing shade at Seanchaidh*. I don't give a monkey about that. Your tone quite clearly conveyed that you didn't think there was a problem with what was happening in the video, and that those who were criticising it were being presumptuous. That clearly had wider appliance than just Seanchaidh.




* (Please appreciate the assonance in that sentence, if nothing else).
 
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