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I don't know if I have mentioned this before but in my economic history class. I read that in the middle ages in Europe; due to the land being plentiful, and labor being relativity scared you were treated pretty well as a serf. You could even work for another lord, and lords were scared of this. It got worst as time went on, and populations increased. So my prediction is that when the immigrants run out in say the year 2100, corporations will still do human cloning of their workers since they don't like low amounts of labor or they just ax abortion laws entirely.
 

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I don't know if I have mentioned this before but in my economic history class. I read that in the middle ages in Europe; due to the land being plentiful, and labor being relativity scared you were treated pretty well as a serf. You could even work for another lord, and lords were scared of this. It got worst as time went on, and populations increased. So my prediction is that when the immigrants run out in say the year 2100, corporations will still do human cloning of their workers since they don't like low amounts of labor or they just ax abortion laws entirely.
Don't you think most labor will have been replaced by robots by then?
Cloning is also highly inefficient; it will take at least 15 years of upbringing before they could even enter the workforce.
 

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I don't know if I have mentioned this before but in my economic history class. I read that in the middle ages in Europe; due to the land being plentiful, and labor being relativity scared you were treated pretty well as a serf. You could even work for another lord, and lords were scared of this. It got worst as time went on, and populations increased. So my prediction is that when the immigrants run out in say the year 2100, corporations will still do human cloning of their workers since they don't like low amounts of labor or they just ax abortion laws entirely.
Why would immigrants "run out", exactly? Immigration has been an ongoing phenomena since the first proto-human decided to leave the trees and walk on two feet.
 

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Don't you think most labor will have been replaced by robots by then?
Nope. Enough will but other bullshit jobs that pay nowhere near enough to survive will pop up. The only way labour ends is with mass starvation or a UBI. We have to be kept on the desperation treadmill or the whole system comes down.
 

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Why would immigrants "run out", exactly? Immigration has been an ongoing phenomena since the first proto-human decided to leave the trees and walk on two feet.
Nationalism? The exact immigrants that countries like America and the UK have been fear mongering about are low skilled ones. The ones who are doing the jobs that Need to get done.
 

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I don't know if I have mentioned this before but in my economic history class. I read that in the middle ages in Europe; due to the land being plentiful, and labor being relativity scared you were treated pretty well as a serf. You could even work for another lord, and lords were scared of this. It got worst as time went on, and populations increased. So my prediction is that when the immigrants run out in say the year 2100, corporations will still do human cloning of their workers since they don't like low amounts of labor or they just ax abortion laws entirely.
This is complex, because there were lots of different countries and the Middle Ages spans a long period with quite a lot of social development. You might be referring perhaps to the period after the Black Death: some historians argue the labour scarcity after such massive population loss was instrumental in ensuring that in numerous countries the peasantry were given far more rights and respect, with serfdom gradually withering away and dying. Although in practice legal and economic changes tended to have bettered their lot throughout the period.
 

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This is complex, because there were lots of different countries and the Middle Ages spans a long period with quite a lot of social development. You might be referring perhaps to the period after the Black Death: some historians argue the labour scarcity after such massive population loss was instrumental in ensuring that in numerous countries the peasantry were given far more rights and respect, with serfdom gradually withering away and dying. Although in practice legal and economic changes tended to have bettered their lot throughout the period.
No, I refer to long before the Black death. Right before the black death, there was a allot of labor, but after the Roman Empire died, and the chaos died down. The manors that went up needed labor, so their working conditions were good.

Why would immigrants "run out", exactly? Immigration has been an ongoing phenomena since the first proto-human decided to leave the trees and walk on two feet.
When countries around the world all have low birth rates, and economic conditions improve in the Global South. Case in point Bangladesh's birth rate, the four Tiger's GDP growth, etc.

Economists have been pointing out the economic convergence due to trade which may be true, and it may not be.

Don't you think most labor will have been replaced by robots by then?
Cloning is also highly inefficient; it will take at least 15 years of upbringing before they could even enter the workforce.
Point granted, I didn't think about that, but mobile AI's costs need to go down, for example, you cannot today create a robot that can do fast-food work.
 

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I don't know if I have mentioned this before but in my economic history class. I read that in the middle ages in Europe; due to the land being plentiful, and labor being relativity scared you were treated pretty well as a serf. You could even work for another lord, and lords were scared of this. It got worst as time went on, and populations increased. So my prediction is that when the immigrants run out in say the year 2100, corporations will still do human cloning of their workers since they don't like low amounts of labor or they just ax abortion laws entirely.
I would also like to point out that medieval serfs actually worked less than current workers do today. Many worked less than 200 days a year, or only about half a year depending on the profession, and there were tons of religious holidays and festivals that everyone took off.

 
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I would also like to point out that medieval serfs actually worked less than current workers do today. Many worked less than 200 days a year, or only about half a year depending on the profession, and there were tons of religious holidays and festivals that everyone took off.
Appallingly inefficient. They could have been doing so much more to enrich their lords!
 
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No, I refer to long before the Black death. Right before the black death, there was a allot of labor, but after the Roman Empire died, and the chaos died down. The manors that went up needed labor, so their working conditions were good.
I would also like to point out that medieval serfs actually worked less than current workers do today. Many worked less than 200 days a year, or only about half a year depending on the profession, and there were tons of religious holidays and festivals that everyone took off.
I'd just like to point out that we should probably be using the term peasant here, as a serf is different from a peasant. Peasants were perhaps 80-90% of the population, of which around half were "free peasants" and the other half serfs (slaves were a third kind, but probably rare). Serfs had plenty fewer rights and more obligations (often taxes) than free peasants, although may not have differed that much in quality of life. Certainly it is likely a lord could have made things very unpleasant for a serf in ways he couldn't for a free peasant, because serfs were much more bound to the lord's will.
 

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Amazon shit.
So, as the forum's one and only (as far as I know) former Amazon worker, let me provide some insight.

Frankly, Amazon warehouses' shelter-in-place/violent weather EAP's are extraordinarily lacking. Kiva or legacy, few to no shelter locations exist in facilities. In mine, our primary shelter location was literally under the mezzanine, under and next to the labyrinthine collection of conveyors, diverts, and injects to and from AFE. In other words, right underneath a whole lot of suspended conveyors and a whole lot of other metal support that would easily come loose in the event of a direct tornado hit, underneath a fucking massive concrete slab held up by steel I-beam support.

Which is why during our violent weather drills and the handful of tornado warnings we had while I was there, I went to the break rooms which are solid concrete builds well within the safe confines of the warehouse itself. Assuming I didn't use PTO to just straight peace out before the potentially tornado-generating weather hit in the first place.

The worst part is, at least in my FC employees can't hear the severe weather klaxons in the mods. Fire alarms sure since they're everywhere and loud...but the shelter-in-place klaxons? Nope. Management literally has to walk the mod with a megaphone alerting people of a drill or warning. Good luck doing that in an Amazon warehouse, in the average twelve minutes' notice of an incoming tornado.

What does and doesn't surprise me, is the tornado took down the exterior wall. Those walls are built like a ************. But it did, and if one section went it's no surprise they dominoed.
 

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Why would immigrants "run out", exactly? Immigration has been an ongoing phenomena since the first proto-human decided to leave the trees and walk on two feet.
I think you'll find immigration - or at least proto-immigration - goes back ~3.5 billion years.

After all, do you really think our incredibly distant unicellular ancestors weren't busy finding and moving to new and exciting places in order to thrive?
 
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What logic? What are you talking about? Go to this page. That is who this thread is ultimately about.
You decided to make it about more than that in the very first post.

Also, I actually took your statement at face value and didn't bother to check that page myself, but it turns out you were cutting half the question off. Why?

That's not how words work.
Yes, it is.

If you're confused by the fact words can have multiple definitions depending on context (or in this case, convergent etymology), I don't know what to tell you..

You can't say "communists don't want to abolish the state", and when I point out that they generally do, you can't go "oh, that's the broad definition, I thought you were using a narrow one."
Okay, let me give you a teeny tiny concession.

Anarcho-communists want to abolish the state. Because anarcho-communists are anarchists. However, the fact that anarcho-communists are called "communists" is a historical coincidence that has basically no relationship to other positions described as communist. in the world we currently live in, communism has come to be very explicitly identified with Marx, and more specifically with the handful of official Marxist state ideologies which characterize actual communist regimes. This is why, relatively speaking, not many people even on the revolutionary left "self-identify" as a communists (other than anarcho-communists, because again anarcho-communists are not strictly speaking Marxists, their definition of communism is contemporaneous with and separate from that proposed by Marx, and the relationship between the two is a coincidence).

Marxist communists do not want to abolish the state. They may believe that in the distant, far off future the state will naturally wither away organically once its purpose is served, but in terms of actual political goals Marxist communists see the state as the most powerful tool available for delivering societal progress, and that is an entirely understandable position that is very likely true. No communist regime has ever abolished or minimized the institutions of the state. No communist regime has ever defunded the police. No communist regime has ever moved towards labour abolition. In fact, all the communist regimes that have ever existed have done the opposite of these things, and usually killed a lot of anarchists (including anarcho-communists) who didn't agree.
 

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In fact, all the communist regimes that have ever existed have done the opposite of these things, and usually killed a lot of anarchists (including anarcho-communists) who didn't agree.
Absolutely fascinating that they'd feel the need given how impotent anarchists seem to be in virtually every other circumstance.