95% sure most of that was made up by people who rely on outrage clicks for a living
Another thread about sexism in video games.
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I'm an anime fan who was not into comics past the golden age of comic based cartoons from the 90s with batman, xmen and spiderman (the one that had blade in it) so I have no attachment to captain marvel (apparently Rogue from Xmen stole her powers which is why she could fly and punch things?) but Alita legit was amazing and creative while Captain was like an atihero feminist power fantasy that felt mean-spirited. Neither of them were bad movies of course (though I am not familiar with Captain's source material, maybe she just is very differently characterized) but if you think Alita was worse I am just confused by that lol. I think most of the issues with that film was due to the main starlet spouting sexist nonsense to trigger nerds and then those nerds being triggered acting as one does when in that state, and not as much tied to the film itself.
And I totally missed the Sonic thing, I don't even know what Birds of Prey are, only birds I know are of paradise. I just remember people being salty that Sonic makers listened to the fans and adjusted Sonic's design, so it wasn't in relation to something else. People were just mad that fans were being respected, not in relation to any other film, just cause they don't like fans of things or something. All sorts of dumb.
I don't think Angry Joe does that but people were trying to get him banned from I dunno, reddit or something? For his critical review of last of us 2, I think the ratio is closer to 50-50 than 95-5. I dunno, maybe I don't follow enough of the other ones.
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Where the heck did you get that? Anyone that spoke favourably about TLoU2 at its release got a wave of anger and hate hurdled their way. Even Digital Foundry got hate for saying positive things about the technical side of the game, since at the peak of the outrage TLoU2 was allowed 0.0 percent praise by scorned fanboys and the usual crowd of people that see scary LGBTQ+ under their bed at night.
No backlash against Ghost of Tsushima in any way measures up to the absolute royal, snarling shitfit people had over TLoU2.
Most marvel stories are told chronologically. CM is piecing things together. (With the possible exception of the time heist in Endgame but that not really what I mean. That's a different non-chronological structure.) Usually they just involve beating/exploding up the bad guy without much thinking being involved. CM is more like Winter Solider in that the good guys are being tricked. While there is a fight (its a Marvel movie after all), it's only a distraction (similar to Thor Ragnorok)
It not a big change. But its a Marvel movie. They are very formulaic. And I am just looking for something... anything different after 20+ movies
Lastly, imo, Alita was the worst thing about Alita. To me, it felt as fake as the characters in Mean Girls. But I see something very similar in CM. They are both meant to be a amnesiacs, which shows up as some of their personality is wiped from them (not just memories.)
Man, it would not suprise me that some of that activism is just studios making bot accounts to cause drama
I remember that and those assholes cans still fuck off. I didn't like the Sonic movie, but I am actually looking forwards towards the sequel. BoP has its problems, but it's a much better film and I still enjoy it. Though I've met people that love both and there is nothing wrong with that.
Alita is great movie regardless. If you can get my parents to love something that is based off a sci-fi manga, than you have done something more than right. Granted my mom actually does not mind some anime depending on what its (she usually prefer Western Animations shows), but dad on the other hand tends to look down on anime or animation in general with some exceptions. Ferngully being one of those exceptions. Don't ask!
Captain Marvel is average and generic. I don't hate it, but I see no reason to watch it again. The sequel will most likely be better, so let's hope it gets their. I never cared for the idiotic fuck nuts who do this constant "us vs. them" just to get themselves off, or to give their very shallow and pathetic lives meaning. Similar to Sonic and BoP, there are plenty of people that like both Alita and Captain Marvel.
With all of that said, peace between these fandoms. The actual fans, and not a bunch of sexists and racists reactionaries with no action going on in their lives.
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Who said the reaction ghost of tsushima got when people were saying it should be the game of the year was larger than the reaction last of us 2 got?
And who is even talking about the window of time surrounding the release of last of us 2 ?
My comment was about discussions months after both games released (ghost came later, and it was months after it had come out too) when people were attacked for trying to say it should be the game of the year.
I also did not contrast and did not compare that reaction to the reaction last of us 2 got initially, I didn't reference the reaction it got initially, I didn't even think about it. I legit have no idea why you're mentioning that random irrelevant fact.
Can fans of the last of us 2 shit on everything ever, as long as they shit on it less than their game was shat on? Is that how this works? What?
Fans of a thing are, of course, going to say that their thing is better than some other thing. Considering that Ghosts of Tsushima didn't exactly get snubbed in the awards category means that the supposed backlash didn't actually mean anything.
And we aren't talking about the hate TLoU2 got initially, we're talking about all the bullshit it gets constantly, now and forever, everywhere. Like, dozens of pages of discussions in multiple threads over a year and a half about how muscle lady's muscles are too big, it's an SJW takeover. Months of discourse over Abby being trans and isn't that terrible only for the game to come out and she isn't but the argument kept going regardless.
You're getting your feelings twisted because some chump on YouTube needed to manufacture some outrage for clicks and Naughty Dog was being performatively woke, so they decided to put that and a Real Videogame against each other and morons ate it up. There's zero logical reason to compare those games. There's zero logical reason to put Sonic and BoP in opposition. There's zero logical reason Captain Marvel and Alita were competing. It's Doomguy and Isabell as told by people who need nerds to fight to
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Well then I don't know what you're talking about either. If your point was that some TLoU2 fans hated on fans who thought Ghost should've won GOTY then sure, yeah, I guess.
If your point was that Ghost was subjected to some large hate compain, I'm going to say no. That game was pretty much the AAA darling of that year.
Look, having concerns that an American company making a game about a foreign country and culture is gonna fuck it up is not a "hate campaign", and the fact that it dried up as soon as the game came out is proof of that.
I could list a fairly expansive list of reasons that I'm afraid for how Splatoon 3 is gonna shake out, and as long as Nintendo doesn't actually fuck it up then it's just pre-launch concerns. A topic of discussion that has zero post-launch merit.
Was I uncomfy with the idea of an American company making a Japanese historical drama? Naturally, given historical precedent. Glad it worked out, glad the Japanese market liked it, glad it was good.
I could list a fairly expansive list of reasons that I'm afraid for how Splatoon 3 is gonna shake out, and as long as Nintendo doesn't actually fuck it up then it's just pre-launch concerns. A topic of discussion that has zero post-launch merit.
Was I uncomfy with the idea of an American company making a Japanese historical drama? Naturally, given historical precedent. Glad it worked out, glad the Japanese market liked it, glad it was good.
Most I heard pre-release was that the katana didn't exist yet during the age the game is set in. Then later on I heard one or two grumblings about how the representation of the mongols was a little questionable to say the least. Though I'm not at all an expert on either of those subjects.
Well in the case of #notmyAriel it was found to be bots starting and spreading it, well I say bots it might just be paid Indian spammers because they're cheaper to hire than making bots.
I think it was Moviebob who mentioned that there have been a number of companies opening in Hollywood specialising in "Managing fan reaction online" for films, AKA deliberately setting this kind of activism stuff in motion. I wouldn't be shocked to find out some studios have in house divisions doing this now too or trying to.
Or the backlash wasn't really reported on widely because gotta maintain the narrative. Like when ReyLos harassed Star Wars social media manager off twitter......
I mean you're right the level was quite different because it was quite pathetic the attempts to take down Ghost of Tsushima by claiming it was pro colonialism or supporting the far right or calling it historically inaccurate. It was desperate flailing for some angle to attack it and it was obvious. The funny thing being there's still people salty on twitter to this day that TLOU2 didn't win the Players choice award at The Game Awards, it won a ton but they're still bitter it lost the player vote.
Once again Liana K went over the muscle thing and yes in the name of realism they are too big and not just for the setting and she pointed out Abby's own body model can't maintain that look for I think it was more than 2 weeks in every 6 -10 because it's literally tricking the body to act how it does to get that look and yes it is true of some men too unless you're like The Rock eating 7 meals a day.
The funny thing is there are people on twitter who still defend TLOU2 because they think Abby is trans and because they've not actually played the game to find out otherwise lol.
Things is it started because a bunch of people were disappointed with TLOU2 and some people online went "Hey this Samuri game is pretty good" and it basically spread from there with more people looking into it and picking it up. There wasn't some pitting against one another as much as people disappointed by one game went towards the next game out.
There's no logical sense but TLOU2 fans still went out to review bomb Ghost to Tsushima. There's 0 logical reason for BOP to be pitted against Sonic but as you saw from those tweets which were a sample of many that were made some twitter fan accounts did just that because they saw Sonic as a threat to BOP.
Yes on the needing nerds to fight to make money because how else will they get to push the success of their sensitivity consultation services and cultural readers and all kinds of other stuff if they can't make something fail or show there is a need and an enemy to fight? Such things need pressure from people thinking they're "Saving the world and ending rape and racism" by yelling that the Samuri game is racist and offensive.
Alita vs Captain Marvel was a case of Alita seeing a DVD sale resurgence as people were like "This film actually isn't that bad" at the same time Captain Marvel marketing and stans were trying to push her as "The first female superhero to ever get a movie" and some giant leap forward for films with female leads and everyone was just like "Did Alita not happen to you lot?"
There were a small handful of vague social media types rumbling. Nothing like the outrage that culture war YouTubers would have you believe though.
No it didn't dry up though
From arguing it's racist, arguing it's open world is empty arguing it's right wing, arguing it's representation is lacking, arguing it's not historically accurate enough, arguing it's imperialist and getting upset it's not a genre deconstructionist piece but instead a love letter to the genre.
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Pretty sure he meant figurative boxes, like those found on a checklist. Which is fine, as well all have our own personal tastes.
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That's not how backlash works. It can't just be swept under the rug by not reporting on it. Just look at TLoU2; news outlets were generally positive on it, yet the backlash was still spilling out from all sides completely taking over the entire launch and post-launch of the game.
Also, maintaining what narrative?
You're right, complaining about historical accuracy and colonialism is certainly on a different level than complaining about a woman having muscles and calling someone "Cuckmann".
And Ghost was historically inaccurate. And the veneration of the samurai is questionable, as they were generally just a bunch of thugs. Calling that out in a game that takes place during an actual moment in history that it appears to try and depict accurately is not a hate campaign - Nearly all historic pieces of fiction are held under extreme scrutiny, and rightfully so. Sending anti-semitic posts and death threats to a director and an actor who played a woman with muscles is a hate campaign.
If you think such critique is reasonable you sound like those turkish people who thought the depiction of the Persians in 300 as being offensive, when 300 was a movie based on a comic book, and it was not depicting actual historical persians or spartans. And trust me, I know, I've been to sparta, nobody gets kicked off of cliffs.
This is not that sort of thing. It's a samurai fantasy tale set in a historic period, not a historical novel, a samurai fantasy. It's a strawman to criticize a Kurosawa homage for not being a documentary.
Yes it actually can. Did you hears about the death threats sent to Rose Leslie who is the wife of Kit Harrington and played Ygritte in Game of Thrones?
Probably not because it wasn't widely reported on.
Same with the Star Wars social media manager being harassed off social media
The grand new audience narrative. You don't want or need Toxic pissbaby manchildren as your audience anymore and if your audience is mostly male then you're clearly catering to toxic masculinity and need to change to pull in the caring empathetic minorities who will fix your franchise and be it's future customers for many years to come and make you rich due to the mass appeal of your franchise. It's kind of ironic really though that the argument is basically peak capitalism of "Well you should aim for more money by trying for mass appeal right? rather than make something that may be niche but get a dedicated following that could get popular because it is clear in what it does and people want it"
Yes it is because Ghost of Tsushima never claimed historical accuracy, I'm betting the film that inspired it probably have some minor historical inaccuracies too, I mean I dunno how common blade wagons were in ancient Japan but I'm willing to be not that common.
It was a pathetic attempt at a gotcha from activists who watched the historical accuracy argument be levelled at Battlefield V and were trying to turn it round on "Dem evil Gamers™"
See my comment above about how it was meant to be more based on Kurosawa samurai films not historical documents, that's what it was trying to replicate. The game never claimed to be historically accurate, it presented itself and in all interviews etc as trying to be a homage to Kurosawa films.
Also it was people who seemingly were stanning for TLOU2 who sent the abuse to the actress.
That's because it was kinda offensive, as was the comic. No surprise considering who wrote it.
That's not it being swept under the rug, that's it not making enough of a splash online. It says enough that people generally don't care if people are getting harressed, but they light themselves on fire if a woman in a game isn't sexy.
Ah, that narrative. Oh yeah, I'm lovin' it!
Accept it clearly depicts itself as grounded and realistic. One of its flaws. This isn't Yakuza or Metal Gear Solid. There was also much talk pre-release from the developers how this was based on a real event in history. Then there's the many ingame collectables meant to teach you about the history of the mongols.
Seemingly? Based on what? There were also a lot of people seemingly stanning TLoU1 that flipped out over Ellie kissing a girl in that one trailer.
No it was clearly an over the top, zany depiction full of absurdist elements. If you take yourself so seriously that you can't comprehend that then it's your fault for being offended.