No, I think she's saying that the boundary for a transwoman to be officially recognised as a woman should be medical transition.
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I would say that she has slightly changed her mind about things and that, despite a lot of ink being spilt over it, is pretty wishy washy about it
Well, she gets to say what she think but no, it's not her call.
As a thought exercise, thinking about if its Silvanus version or Agema version... it's still exclusionary. The lines just different
Also, it's only ever leveled at trans women by Rowling funnily enough, not trans men. Which I'm sure has nothing to do with the mindset that trans women are creepy men who just want to invade women spaces. Something Rowling sure does love to perpetuate.
Same standards a lot of those posting in Anti-woke world operate under.
Don't hate the player hate the game and the rules that have been laid out.
Ah yes cause women totally are going to claim to be men to use the mens toilets to try and be pervy and are so totally such a threat with a claimed 41% of women sex offenders claiming to be men.
Oh wait
Are sex offenders exploiting trans rights?
A few years ago, there was some controversy about the facts relating to people in prison who identify as transgender, and the proportion of those people jailed for committing sexual offences. The controversy started in 2018 when Fair Play for Women, a feminist campaign group, analysed English...
www.spectator.co.uk
One in 50 prisoners identifies as transgender amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks
One in 50 male offenders in prisons are self-identifying as transgender, according to a survey by the official jail watchdog, amid concerns inmates may be attempting to secure extra perks.
Now to be clear yes #Notalltranswomen but part of the point is about what standards get used to judge do they have to have socially transitioned (I'd say this should be a minimum). Do they have to have physically transitioned which can take some time? Part of the issue come in with the idea of people being able to choose their gender more at will with no restrictions on that and considering that as the way to go because it allows bad actors to far more easily exploit the system to cause trouble. I'm shocked there not been more Trans women going "Ok as a start how about the standards that no-one can go into the women's toilets if they have a full beard and or moustache" and go from there.
K. Next time someone posts a single tweet as indicative of right-wing outrage, just remember that you've heartily endorsed the same standard, so it's perfectly valid and you've agreed that constitutes an outrage.
Oh man, single tweets with no support counts as outrage now? The anti-woke thread is gonna crack the spine of this website
Not your personal one, your take on what Rowling has stated. Agema didn't state theirs either
No, it's not her call. But what's the point of such a comment? For the most part, it's not yours or mine or any other single person's, either.
The context in which this debate occurs is inherently one of exclusion, given its relation to gender specific places.
You could... just not do any excluding
For me personally, I find this all incredibly stupid. Anyone who pretends that a dress, necklace or job is inherently female is just nuts. I don't care if the conservatives are doing it or the transpeople. It's just propaganda to enforce beliefs through cancelling
The only thing we determine is female is the ones we PICKED to be female. It has nothing to do with genes. It's based on our own biases
So, for me, if some tranperson says their female - cool. Makes about as much sense as the conservative definition. Thus, the only time I poke my head out for this is when someone else is trying to determine fe/male for someone else
But hey, totally exclusionary
People being abused and raped. In a prison. What a shockAh yes cause women totally are going to claim to be men to use the mens toilets to try and be pervy and are so totally such a threat with a claimed 41% of women sex offenders claiming to be men.
Oh wait
Are sex offenders exploiting trans rights?
A few years ago, there was some controversy about the facts relating to people in prison who identify as transgender, and the proportion of those people jailed for committing sexual offences. The controversy started in 2018 when Fair Play for Women, a feminist campaign group, analysed English...
One in 50 prisoners identifies as transgender amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks
One in 50 male offenders in prisons are self-identifying as transgender, according to a survey by the official jail watchdog, amid concerns inmates may be attempting to secure extra perks.www.telegraph.co.uk
Now to be clear yes #Notalltranswomen but part of the point is about what standards get used to judge do they have to have socially transitioned (I'd say this should be a minimum). Do they have to have physically transitioned which can take some time? Part of the issue come in with the idea of people being able to choose their gender more at will with no restrictions on that and considering that as the way to go because it allows bad actors to far more easily exploit the system to cause trouble. I'm shocked there not been more Trans women going "Ok as a start how about the standards that no-one can go into the women's toilets if they have a full beard and or moustache" and go from there.
Maybe prisons are the problem?
How much does she think they have to medically transition?
"Medical transition" isn't a single procedure. What exactly do you have to do before you can be considered a woman?
Currently in the UK we don't determine whether someone is legally recognized as a woman by any degree of medical transition, it's determined by possession of a gender recognition certificate. Most trans people in the UK, regardless of the degree of medical transition, don't have a GRC.
Getting a GRC is an invasive, humiliating and expensive process that exists only for the sake of putting an obstacle in the path of trans people. It requires you to disclose intimate details of your life to complete strangers. These strangers will never meet you or be in the same room as you, but they will require two doctors to confirm that you have a mental illness that most medical professional bodies no longer recognize as an illness.
If you want to see how much these people care, ask them what they think happens to "medically transitioned" (god I hate that term) trans women without GRCs who get housed in male prisons.
I mean, Rowling doesn't like trans men either.
She just thinks they're confused girls who became trans in order to be socially accepted (because being trans is a well known path to social acceptance).
She also thinks they have a mental disorder which totally exists and isn't something TERFs intentionally fabricated using the same technique used to fabricate the claim that the MMR vaccine caused autism.
Honestly, Rowling has actually been far more directly insulting to trans men than trans women. With trans women she just likes to vaguely imply they're not women because they don't menstruate like proper women, and then try to weasel out of that by gushing about how much she loves and supports trans women despite intentionally trying to exclude them from services they need.
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One notes that the people exploiting loopholes (or making big displays about how they could) generally aren't transgender. Punishing trans people because some cis people have decided to be awful might be par for the course, but it's exactly helpful, oddly enough.
My comment was in response to you saying Rowling actually thinks trans women should only be considered women when they medically transition, as this was seemingly a correction to Trunkage saying Rowling said she likes trans women but doesn't think they are women. Both of which are equally not in her wheelhouse to say anything about, other than that she's a cis-woman and therefor feels she has more say than a trans woman on what it means to be a woman. Which is the crux of Rowling's entire stance (and most people who are trans exclusionary) on the trans community; she thinks she knows better than them about their own orientation.
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You can't blame cis men. That would be mean. Haven't you been to your anti-CRT class yet
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If we have a principle that there's a tleast some stuff gender-specific for men and women, then transpeople pose us the question of where the boundary is for access to them.
I think Rowling is too restrictive or "exclusionary" as you put it. But on the other hand, hers is a view shared by a huge proportion of the population (often without much understanding), on top of the substantial chunk who simply refuse to accept gender transition is even possible. In many cases, there are practical difficulties that require consideration. This is something open to public debate: I suspect that screaming down Rowling as a TERF is not winning hearts and minds, and at worst simply gives the right wing ammunition to depict the left as authoritarian and intimidatory.