Yup, it's not about punishing an aggressive nation that's unjustly invading another and killing innocent people, nope, cheerleading for the US' global hegemony, yup yup.
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If it were about the former, it would be applied with something approaching a degree of consistency.
Yes, "what about" what our nations have done and, for that matter, are doing right now?
They won't be. It won't even be considered.
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Supporting these sanctions is just cheerleading for the advancement of US global hegemony. The United States and friends are using this to harm a rival. They couldn't give less of a shit about Ukraine.
We have two sides, then, who don't give a shit about Ukraine. One whose actions include invading and annexing it, bombing its civilians, children and hospitals; and the other whose actions include... locking a country out of a payment system.
To you, the former warrants no mention, and the latter is far more objectionable.
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In other news, it's the 7th anniversary of the assassination of Boris Nemtsov, a critic of Vladimir Putin who protested the 2014 annexation of Crimea. He was gunned down in a public Moscow street, within walking distance of the Kremlin.
His assassin was a former member of the security force for Ramzan Kadyrov, former member of the Chechen independence movement, turned Putin loyalist. The assassin was paid to carry out the act, but Russian police/ security forces never bothered to investigate who ordered the hit. Wonder why?
The UK did that during World War 2. Probably not as big a deal now since GPS is a thing and they can loot an atlas from a petrol station, but I dig the attitude behind the move.
Not sure if true, but if it is, based.
"And you are lynching Negroes"
The Soviets as well, on a massive scale, maps of the USSR were intentionally misleading.
Not as useful nowdays, true, but helping the enemy potentially make mistakes and waste small amounts of valuable time is still worthwhie, especially as the fighting is likely to be fierce but short, at least until possibly an occupation happens.
Are you aware that other countries exist other than the US?
Other actions include training members of Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups and meddling in Ukrainian politics in order to unconstitutionally remove an elected government from power and promote hostility toward Russia and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, but OK
And doing both precisely and roughly what you think warrants locking countries out of payment systems many times over elsewhere.
That situation has not improved as much as we should like. Anyway, the hypocrisy of the United States and its allies should not be ignored or dismissed.
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Even if we were to pretend that's all true, none of it justifies Russia invasion of Ukraine nor your bootlicking defense of Russia's actions.
If the goal of sanctions and other manipulations of international trade is to stop war, then they should be deployed against all those who engage in them, not just the ones who do not have the blessing of the United States (and are not the United States themselves). Otherwise these sanctions are just a tool of imperialist intrigue and have nothing to do with morality, peace, or humanitarian principle.
"Promote hostility" on a level completely incomparable to that promoted by Putin himself in the land he controls. Putin also funds and sponsors violent far-right groups on a level that dwarfs anything Ukraine has done. So if you want either of those factors reduced, the aim should be to ensure it rests outside of Putin's control.
Regarding "an elected government": you're literally advocating for an unelected government which is invading with the stated intention of deposing an elected one. What a farcical reply.
I agree.
But let's be honest: if these sanctions were in place against the US and UK machines, you would be here arguing until you're blue in the face that they shouldn't be used against Russia anyway. Because your objection has nothing to do with consistency (which you have displayed none of), and nothing to do with battling imperialism (which you have displayed enormous sympathy for).
This is that "whataboutery" you're so fond of pointing out. The fact of the matter is that the United States was a significant player in the Maidan movement that overthrew Yanukovych, and that movement was avowedly anti-Russian and showed it in various ways once in power. US intelligence has actually been involved with Ukrainian nationalists since 1946.
The United States and the European Union also, for some reason, decided that it should do various things which alienate Russia after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. They did not have to do that. I had forgotten, but I was reminded while watching this video that Russia under Putin had actually tried to join both NATO and the EU in the early 2000s.
The United States participated in various ways with the movement that overthrew Yanukovych, who had won an election that was as good as any in the United States.
Because they are being applied so incredibly inconsistently, these sanctions are just a tool of imperialist intrigue and have nothing to do with morality, peace, or humanitarian principle.
Bullshit. If such sanctions were in place against your country and my country in proportion to the crimes they've committed the entire world would be unrecognizable.
You know, tanks are cool and all, but I have to wonder if they've been made obsolete in most theaters by handheld anti-tank missiles. Like, if a tank, basically any tank, has to slow down for any reason, it becomes a "peasant with gun vs fully armored knight" situation
