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[TheMysteriousGX]

And for the record: if Age Doesn't Matter, then it's statistically weird how often these characters aren't adults.



EDIT: side rant about related manga: there's a couple yuri series I'm reading involving adults, one boobs-out fluff, the other a more serious situation, and the High School Vortex is so powerful that, out of the four main characters involved, three of them are high school teachers.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

The idea of pre-crime was stupid in Minority Report, and its stupid here. And perhaps instead of deciding to stop a violent subjugation and genocide with another violent subjugation they could have oh, I don't know, obtained all the possible viable intelligence about Germany's invasion of Poland and forewarned the rest of Western Europe so that they could be better prepared? You know, literally anything than the one thing that will inspire resistance - and in an era where firearm ownership in most Europe is actually pretty fuckin' common - and lots of dead Wizards who never learnt the spell 'thirty-ought six'.

Actual legit real magical future vision. And yeah: if the heroes stopped the wizardly bad guy and did *fucking anything* to stop the Holocaust happening, that would be a good point. They knew it was real, they knew the bad guy wasn't lying

But they didn't. Zero wizardly power spent trying to prevent the worst atrocities of human history

 

[Gordon_4]

Actual legit real magical future vision. And yeah: if the heroes stopped the wizardly bad guy and did *fucking anything* to stop the Holocaust happening, that would be a good point. They knew it was real, they knew the bad guy wasn't lying

But they didn't. Zero wizardly power spent trying to prevent the worst atrocities of human history

Yeah, all the other magic users knew it was legit. Next step, convincing the Governments of Western Europe that its real and you're not just a deranged crank. Especially since the apparatus of Magical Government is very much concerned with making sure, much like the Men in Black and Aliens, the wider society remain completely unaware of this whole other world and are not above altering the memories of ordinary people against their will to maintain that masquerade. The Holocaust is a 'muggle problem'. Ergo, it is not a Wizard's job to prevent it. Just like Grindlewald and Voldemort were wizard problems and were not the muggle's job to fix. No matter how much in both cases the intervention of the other would have made a great deal of difference and done the world of good.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Yeah, all the other magic users knew it was legit. Next step, convincing the Governments of Western Europe that its real and you're not just a deranged crank. Especially since the apparatus of Magical Government is very much concerned with making sure, much like the Men in Black and Aliens, the wider society remain completely unaware of this whole other world and are not above altering the memories of ordinary people against their will to maintain that masquerade. The Holocaust is a 'muggle problem'. Ergo, it is not a Wizard's job to prevent it. Just like Grindlewald and Voldemort were wizard problems and were not the muggle's job to fix.

...sigh...

No matter how much in both cases the intervention of the other would have made a great deal of difference and done the world of good.

Yes, I know. Hence the comment

 

[Gordon_4]

...sigh...
Yes, I know. Hence the comment

Its only true that the heroes are taking up arms to stop someone from stopping the holocaust in the sense of that the person who says they'll stop it is the Wizarding World's own analogue of Hitler himself; incidentally why the fuck does Grindlewald even care that we're going to do the Holocaust? He fuckin' hates muggles and should see that as a damn good step one for him to build on. Dumbledore and co. screwing the pooch by not slipping a few words of warning into Neville Chamberlain's pocket or explaining to Albert Lebrun that the French defences just weren't up to par doens't make them evil or complicit, especially since future sight and prophecy are notorious for being vague, and spotty. It just makes them unfortunate and stupid. Like most people seem to be.

Of course this discourse is academic but I think we can probably agree that the writer's decision to try and couple Grindlewald's uprising with the Holocaust is appallingly tone deaf and stupid. Which honestly describes most of Harry Potter after Half Blood Prince. God I hope Jude Law is getting just, the fattest payday for this tripe.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Ya know the author of this manga is a woman right? Also maybe stop being a decrepit old man that's insecure about sex and telling people to stop having fun because of your feelings. The two primary characters are the same age, people that read the manga that are around the same age aren't going to see this as an issue and a lot of comments I see on the sexuality in the manga are about how it pertains to the two characters and things like, "Oh I remember when I was that age" rather than someone talking about jerking off to a 15 year old.

Would you like me to plum the depths of the internet and send ya the actual dark shit that you should be complaining about? Because trust me, it wouldn't be hard for me to find stuff that would make your skin crawl off your body. There is some very horrid shit out there that deserves far more criticism than a fucking rom/com about cosplay and teenage hormones.

Wow, if being 23 means I'm a decrepit old man, then I guess I'll crumble into dust my next birthday.

And no, I would not like you to plumb the depths for things that sicken me. I didn't plumb the depths for this anime, its been recommended to me for a good month or two now. This anime didn't sicken me. I was merely criticizing an annoying part of an anime that I still plan on watching. It's hardly a groundbreaking opinion that anime and manga need to take a step back with sexualizing minors.

I don't normally try to start up anything in these forums, but I think you sir need to take a chill pill. Defend this show all you want, that's the point of this thread, but maybe do so without implying other people are conservative incels. The last thing any of my friends, or my SO, would describe me as is insecure about sex.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Honestly, none of them ever needed "redemption" in the first place. Even during The Amazing Spider-Man run, Andrew had plenty of defenders, or those that felt that he got unnecessary hate. The ones praising the loudest are either bandwagon jumpers, or those that cooled down after a while. Robert Pattison especially has no need for redemption. He admitted during Twilight's heyday, that he did not like acting in those movies, and that he and many of his co-stars, thought Steph Myers is creepy and insane.

Personally I was always fine with Andrew, and yeah he definitely didn't fade from the limelight like Christensen did. I guess the redemption for more of for the character of Peter Parker/Spider-man. As for Pattinson, fair enough. The only thing I ever thought about him was that he looked really weird in the Twilight movies. I wonder how Stephenie "I should resolve this love triangle by making the third wheel fall in love with the couple's baby" Meyer is doing these days.

 

[BrawlMan]

I wonder how Stephenie "I should resolve this love triangle by making the third wheel fall in love with the couple's baby" Meyer is doing these days.

Nothing more than a one-trick pony and a memory, as predicted.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Recent anime output has me on my "why the fuck are these characters in high school" soapbox.

My Dress Up Darling is the latest "yes it's really horny but it's also a sweet character anime I swear" anime weebs are raving about and just...they're 15. Not that them being in high school is particularly relevant to the plot, seeing as how they don't have a problem securing r18 materials, having plentiful free time, and, the bit that inspired this rant, renting a room in a love hotel for a photo shoot. At some point a reasonable business proprietor is gonna check an ID, right?

But if they were first year college students or just graduated high school? Absolutely zero objections to things like content, plot points, abnormal amounts of free time, how society currently functions, etc, etc, etc

Like, in shows about high school and they have a party with alcohol, they're stealing alcohol or otherwise getting alcohol illicitly; they aren't like, just going to the liquor store. Change that one tiny thing and everything about the story flows much smoother

'They' are not 15, the girls are 15, as that's what this kinda shit is always about in anime; getting underaged girls as close to naked as possible. And ofcourse there's a loli character, because why the fuck wouldn't there be.

And the characters don't even get to fuck, it's just endless dick teasing. Like, can anyone name me one or two anime that has a healthy sexual encounter between two characters? Because all I got is Macross Plus and Kare Kano, and that second one mentions a relationship between a 16-year old side character and a 28-year old dentist like it's totally fucking normal.

 

[BrawlMan]

Like, can anyone name me one or two anime that has a healthy sexual encounter between two characters?

• Wicked City
• Highlander Anime
• Dragonball Z/GT/Super
• Various Gundam anime I can't bother to remember at the moment.
• Change 123

 

[Gordon_4]

'They' are not 15, the girls are 15, as that's what this kinda shit is always about in anime; getting underaged girls as close to naked as possible. And ofcourse there's a loli character, because why the fuck wouldn't there be.

And the characters don't even get to fuck, it's just endless dick teasing. Like, can anyone name me one or two anime that has a healthy sexual encounter between two characters? Because all I got is Macross Plus and Kare Kano, and that second one mentions a relationship between a 16-year old side character and a 28-year old dentist like it's totally fucking normal.

My Lovely Ghost Kana would be my suggestion, except for the fact that Kana is a ghost. Which come think of it still makes it less weird than most.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Wicked City

Yeah, but that's only after atleast two explicit situations where the woman gets sexually assaulted. 80's anime still required it's aggressive rapey stuff I guess.

Dragonball Z/GT/Super

The Dragon Ball universe is weird in that sex never seems to occur yet kids still pop up. Although that universe has problems with healthy relationships period.

 

[BrawlMan]

Yeah, but that's only after atleast two explicit situations where the woman gets sexually assaulted. 80's anime still required it's aggressive rapey stuff I guess.

Ironic, because it and the Highlander anime are done by the same guy. Though the Highlander anime does not have the rapey stuff involved.

Although that universe has problems with healthy relationships period

• Gohan and Videl
• Krillin and 18
• Bulma and Vegeta (as much as I hate and despise the pairing)

They have healthy relationships. Especially Krillin & 18 in Super

There's also JoJo Part 1: Phantom Blood. Jonathan and Erena.

 

[Casual Shinji]

• Gohan and Videl
• Krillin and 18
• Bulma and Vegeta (as much as I hate and despise the pairing)

They have healthy relationships. Especially Krillin & 18 in Super

I'll give you Krillin and 18, though I think that has mostly to do with Krillin being relegated to a non-fighter, making the only time we ever saw him anymore when he was spending time with his family. It is the one pairing I like though. Gohan and Videl I really don't remember much of. And were Bulma and Vegeta ever really a couple? I think the most Vegeta did was get Bulma preggers, grow a mustach, and then he pretty much just fucked off.

 

[BrawlMan]

Gohan and Videl I really don't remember much

They're in a good, healthy, relationship and care about Pan. That's all that matters.

And were Bulma and Vegeta ever really a couple? I think the most Vegeta did was get Bulma preggers, grow a mustach, and then he pretty much just fucked off.

That was mainly Z and GT. Super does some actual attempts that work. Like I said before, I despise the pairing, as it is nothing more than Toriyama appealing to bad fan fic writers.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

'They' are not 15, the girls are 15, as that's what this kinda shit is always about in anime; getting underaged girls as close to naked as possible. And ofcourse there's a loli character, because why the fuck wouldn't there be.

And the characters don't even get to fuck, it's just endless dick teasing. Like, can anyone name me one or two anime that has a healthy sexual encounter between two characters? Because all I got is Macross Plus and Kare Kano, and that second one mentions a relationship between a 16-year old side character and a 28-year old dentist like it's totally fucking normal.

Much as I hate to defend the horny teenager show, the dude in it is pulling a Jotaro and is also 15 years old.

Honestly with how weird the ages make this show, my conspiracy theory is that the author was writing a manga about college kids and the editors told her to put them in high school because they think very little of their otaku audience.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Much as I hate to defend the horny teenager show, the dude in it is pulling a Jotaro and is also 15 years old.

Yeah, I know, I was trying to be cheeky. The dude is 15, but then we don't get weird shots of him in his jockies, or coming out of the shower with a towel barely covering his junk - that's only reserved for the 15-year old girls.

 

[Mister Mumbler]

Its only true that the heroes are taking up arms to stop someone from stopping the holocaust in the sense of that the person who says they'll stop it is the Wizarding World's own analogue of Hitler himself; incidentally why the fuck does Grindlewald even care that we're going to do the Holocaust? He fuckin' hates muggles and should see that as a damn good step one for him to build on. Dumbledore and co. screwing the pooch by not slipping a few words of warning into Neville Chamberlain's pocket or explaining to Albert Lebrun that the French defences just weren't up to par doens't make them evil or complicit, especially since future sight and prophecy are notorious for being vague, and spotty. It just makes them unfortunate and stupid. Like most people seem to be.

Of course this discourse is academic but I think we can probably agree that the writer's decision to try and couple Grindlewald's uprising with the Holocaust is appallingly tone deaf and stupid. Which honestly describes most of Harry Potter after Half Blood Prince. God I hope Jude Law is getting just, the fattest payday for this tripe.

Ok, so this whole discussion got me curious enough to seek out said clip of the WW2 visions as I have not seen this movie, and it is an incredibly vague vision. This isn't Bakshi's Wizards with actual Nazi footage and such, but rather just a general scene of a city being destroyed, a tank, some airplanes, some people walking around before ending with a nuclear explosion (the whole vision is like 30 seconds long).

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

 

[BrawlMan]

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