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I can appreciate that by agreeing to work for an employer you agree to limits to what you can say in the work environment. That's obviously relevant in academia and the retail environment mentioned in Mysterious GX's post. But I still think there is a difference in simply not saying something that might offend customers, and being compelled to say something that contradicts your own beliefs.
Not Lying is one of the big 10 "what not to do"s in Christianity. Being in retail means lying *a lot*, but I'm not getting a $400,000 payout unless Not Lying somehow ties into "being a dick to LGBT people"
 

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I don't think your own beliefs count for that much when you're on an employment contract or otherwise have a professional duty.

As for instance any medical doctor will find out if they start asking their patients to turn to Jesus instead of prescribing the right medicine, or any biology teacher who ignores the learning outcomes for their evolution class and teaches intelligent design instead.
That analogy doesn't really work though, since it's based on professionals not performing their duties correctly. It's perfectly possible for a medical doctor to hold religious beliefs while prescribing the right medicine.

I said there was a difference in not saying something that might offend customers, and being compelled to say something that contradicts your own beliefs. So perhaps the doctor might be instructed to not talk about their religious beliefs around a patient, but they shouldn't be required to state they don't have any religious beliefs to the patient.
 

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Not Lying is one of the big 10 "what not to do"s in Christianity. Being in retail means lying *a lot*, but I'm not getting a $400,000 payout unless Not Lying somehow ties into "being a dick to LGBT people"
So you're a Christian? I thought you said you didn't take it seriously any more?
 

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So you're a Christian? I thought you said you didn't take it seriously any more?
Shockingly, despite my issues with catholic theology in general and the Catholic Church in particular, I *still* have a belief system that generally involves not lying. Even back in my pre-apostate days this shit pissed me off. Pure sanctimonious bullshit with a payday attached.

But if I said my honest opinion about that while ringing up his groceries in casual conversation, I'd be out on my ass, beliefs be damned. This kinda bullshit being "religious exemptions" only works one way
 
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Most of the articles about I seemed to see and tweets etc about the show talking about how this would finally make Sci-Fi inclusive or some nonsense and how the show was so diverse (not how good it was how diverse it was)
Okay, but were those articles coming from the producers themselves, or from third party publications? Because there's a difference there in regards to how the show presents itself, and how observers present the show.

See I liked Clara's arc in that she was kinda a Mary Sue but that success came back to bite her in the butt in the end which I'm shocked didn't draw some outrage form other segments of the "Fanbase"
I agree, but I wouldn't quite put it like that. It's not so much that "Clara is a Sue, so she dies," it's more the idea of Clara getting over her head (arguably facilitated by the Doctor himself), and pays the price for it.

As for the lack of outrage...well, I wouldn't have really expected it. Clara was generally disliked, and even if she wasn't, I think her death was well handled. Plus, after it, you get one of the best DW episodes ever written IMO (Heaven Sent), which deals with the immediate aftermath of that, so there's that, as well.

Chibnall's issue was he didn't have any real arcs planned out fully to flesh out the companions beyond "Diverse group"
Alright, seriously, is this another "forced diversity" thing? Because saying that "diversity" is the reason why Thirteen's companions don't work is missing the forest for the trees at best. You could have any combination of companions for Thirteen and the issues would remain.

seemingly early on which really shows up far stronger with Yaz in the first two seasons where Season 1of Chibnall's run she's just there almost to be a possible love interest for Ryan and then Series 2 she's just there to be the one to walk off on her own or be left on her own and get into trouble. I think we learned more about Yaz's family than her in the first two seasons with Chibnall
I think of the first two seasons with Thirteen, Yaz gets the least development. Ryan and Graham at least have to deal with the issue of their wife/mother dying, and arguably bonding as father/step-son over the experience. Yaz doesn't even really get that. If anything, I was hoping that Flux would be a chance for the show to improve (or at least for Yaz to improve), since she could be fleshed out, but nup, Flux is terrible. :(
 

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Quote 'em then.

I don't know why you're still talking to him. His only goal with this argument is to put queer people back in the closet. I mean, look at his last reply. Sound doesn't move as fast as those goalposts.
This is a staple tactic of the alt-right. Slap people with labels so it's easier to dismiss and devalue what they have to say. No need to consider nuance, just treat your opposition as a hivemind that is simultaneously nefarious and dangerous while also being so incompetent and ineffectual as to be useless. Yes, these are contradictory assessments. No, fascists don't care.

Because trolls, dude.
'You mean, of all the LGBTQ+ people in the world some of them do terrible things? Well geez, I guess that must mean we should keep a close eye on all of them and be very careful when leaving them with children. Maybe not leave them with children at all, you know, just to be sure. That's not bigoted at all. I mean, you wouldn't want the Klu Klux Clan educating our children, right?' (Though considering Florida and Texas at the moment, they probably really wouldn't mind.)

Yeah, that's one hell of a pathetic reach. Unsurprisingly. Nice job comparing the LGBTQ+ community to an actual hate group that wants gay people dead. Super classy right there.
Because to right wingers, gay people have no identity outside of sex. Makes it easier to dehumanize them.
You asked me to do so.
 

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Okay, but were those articles coming from the producers themselves, or from third party publications? Because there's a difference there in regards to how the show presents itself, and how observers present the show.
Some 3rd party but a lot from social media or what I'm guessing were PR pieces being pushed out to some of the media.


I agree, but I wouldn't quite put it like that. It's not so much that "Clara is a Sue, so she dies," it's more the idea of Clara getting over her head (arguably facilitated by the Doctor himself), and pays the price for it.

As for the lack of outrage...well, I wouldn't have really expected it. Clara was generally disliked, and even if she wasn't, I think her death was well handled. Plus, after it, you get one of the best DW episodes ever written IMO (Heaven Sent), which deals with the immediate aftermath of that, so there's that, as well.
True but well, modern age and all and I'm shocked certain people didn't read the worst possible interpretation into the events.

Pretty easy to twist the narrative into "Uppity single woman gets put in her place by TV show in highly sexist display" or something.


Alright, seriously, is this another "forced diversity" thing? Because saying that "diversity" is the reason why Thirteen's companions don't work is missing the forest for the trees at best. You could have any combination of companions for Thirteen and the issues would remain.
No that's the thing. It's the reason they failed because Chibnall and others didn't think much beyond that they went "We have a diverse range of people, that's all we need. The thing being the moment anyone objects to the characters etc people they just cry bigot / racist / sexist to try and shut them down and present all those objecting as "Not the real fans just angry Alt-right Nazi bigots."


I think of the first two seasons with Thirteen, Yaz gets the least development. Ryan and Graham at least have to deal with the issue of their wife/mother dying, and arguably bonding as father/step-son over the experience. Yaz doesn't even really get that. If anything, I was hoping that Flux would be a chance for the show to improve (or at least for Yaz to improve), since she could be fleshed out, but nup, Flux is terrible. :(
I'm hoping T Davies fixes the mess that Doctor Who has become.
 

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You asked me to do so.
Uhrm... whose identity is this denying?

Wait, you're not seriously going to argue that people being mean about your opinions on this forum is denying your identity just like transphobia, are you...?
 
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Do you think he'll get Twitter pregnant?
No, in finance a pump and dump is a type of fraud where an owned stock's value is artificially inflated through false and misleading statements, after which the owner then sells all of their stock, making a tidy profit, while the sold stock tends to crash in value afterwards because of supply/demand. Wouldn't be the first time Musk pulled one.
 

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Uhrm... whose identity is this denying?

Wait, you're not seriously going to argue that people being mean about your opinions on this forum is denying your identity just like transphobia, are you...?
I'm not going to argue that because that's not my quote!
 

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No, in finance a pump and dump is a type of fraud where an owned stock's value is artificially inflated through false and misleading statements, after which the owner then sells all of their stock, making a tidy profit, while the sold stock tends to crash in value afterwards because of supply/demand. Wouldn't be the first time Musk pulled one.
He did that with meme coins that I know of, but I don't see any indication he is trying to hype up the value of twitter. If anything him buying it would lower the value thanks to the leftist who think he is the second coming of Stalin.
 

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He did that with meme coins that I know of, but I don't see any indication he is trying to hype up the value of twitter. If anything him buying it would lower the value thanks to the leftist who think he is the second coming of Stalin.
Musk doesn't do anything unless he feels there's something in it for him. If not financial gain, then perhaps power and influence. Or maybe he just being a petty dick again.