No wonder you have problems with women and Feminists
You strawmanned them and turned them evil
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You strawmanned them and turned them evil
That's fair enough. I tend to be a little sensitive to the subject, as I've been told on both sides that being male(ish), I cannot call myself a feminist. Either because of people who believe that being a feminist means wanting women and men to completely swap places in the gender-power dynamics (rather than wanting there to be NO gender-power dynamics at all, which is where I fall), or people who think that as a man (mostly), I cannot possibly understand how much women go through based on their gender (which is partially true, but that doesn't mean I can't support them from the sidelines as best as I can).
You got out before the slog, where he drowns the pages with unnecessary details and bickering
The thing about statements like this that I usually have a problem with is that it implies that only women have struggles strictly based on gender. But Men have a whole set of struggles that only men have because of their gender to. And what really grinds my gears is that feminists tend to imply that the life of a men is just peeing standing-up, having everything handed to us on a silver platter, while girls in Slave-Leia outfits serve our every need. And that's just not the fucking case.
Girls are shitty to men for being men, much the same that men are shitty to women for being women. One only needs to take a glance at the Johnny Depp case to see a nightmare walking there.
We all live different lives, we all have struggles, and some struggles are gender based (like periods), and some struggles are not. But we all have them, so I don't understand why one side acts like their life is expontential more hellish strictly because they are girls. Everybody stuggles in different ways, and these gender-based movements only serve to put victimhood on a pedestal. THAT is my big fucking problem with it.
It's been a long time since I read it but the sixth book definitely felt like that for me. I remember it starts with a recap of the earlier books which seemed to go on for about 200 pages. I heard books 7 to 10 were worse though.
See, you say that, but in my experience the ones who actually tend to show the most empathy and understanding towards male issues (such as the downplaying of domestic violence against men, or suicide rates among men) have been feminist women.
"Anti-feminist" men, on the other hand, tend to be dismissive of actual male issues, and just tell men to man up. They'll only bring up "male issues" as an argument against women's issues being addressed; not in a constructive or helpful way.
I find this is society in general. And old school fathers.
Why you depressed? Man Up!
What do you mean you don't feel good about your job? Man Up!
Feeling sick? Man Up!
Feeling scared? MAN UP!
I think there is a difference between "anti-feminist" men and people who are anti "Extreme feminism". I feel like most men, myself included, are completely down with everyone having equal rights under the law. Which is mostly the case now i believe (minus maybe abortion issues and other leftover things). But this extreme view where certain fictional characters are oppressive, and there needs to be equal or more women in a film or TV show, that kind of stuff is just stupid to me and every attempt at that kind of garbage is just garbage.
Look at the Charlie's Angel's reboot, the 2016 Ghostbusters, new SW trilogy, Batwoman and Supergirl on CW. These very feministic driven pieces of media are always dogshit because they are poorly written rushed feeling products clearly designed to try and engage a niche feminist group, and then the people behind the failure say shit like, "Toxic masculinity ruined any chance of success". There is no awareness that they made a piece of shit that nobody was interested in in the first place.
And i can't speak for women, but jesus, why is the media trying to ruin female attractiveness? It's like if a woman dares to try and be sexy it's just to be an object for the male gaze which alone is crazy talk. The whole fucking thing is just crazy to me and I don't understand that side of it. Unfortunately this crazy side is what gets all the attention because people like seeing a trainwreck or some shit. I dunno.
The only way to say this is if you have never read a book on the subject in your life. This is my problem with most men's critiques a feminism: when they're not coming from a place of bad faith, they're arguing against a ridiculous strawman that in no way represents the reality.
Why do I have to read a book to comment on the shit I see happening all over the place? I don't need to read a book to know why Anita Sarkesian is a snake-oil salesman. I can literally see it happening on video.
When your point of view requires someone to do homework to understand (according to you and those who make that same argument) then your point of view is too abstract to ever be recognized by the general audience. And your battles are lost before they've even begun.
Dude, you're telling people that think a thing is feminist that it's either A) automatically bad or B) not actually feminist.
It's bizzare and non-fallable.
"Feminist media is bad, because good media isn't feminist, and to prove that feminist media is bad, here's media that is bad, and the media you think is feminist and good isn't feminist" is not an argument a serious person makes
Case in point. Your only exposure to feminism is either people who are crap at it or people arguing in bad faith. You've decided based on these stereotypes that you know everything about the subject and have nothing to learn. You don't know what you don't know.
Then science in general is a failure because most people don't understand it without doing the homework. Do you really want to take the side of the Young Earth Creationists, anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers?
If it's rational, reasonable and well-argued feminism can't be feminism in the minds of anti-feminists because to them feminism isn't supposed to be reasonable.
This is not a good comparision. Those people do a LOT of very stupid homework to fall into those lines of thought. Just because something is well researched doesn't mean it's right. Humans are very good at finding patterns and statistics can be manipulated to paint information with almost whatever color you want. Which can be applied to your feminism books as well.
Let's also face a certain truth about this "we just want things to be equal". That's a lie. Feminists want more women in powerful positions, but they don't want women to serve the same jail time as men for the same offense. They don't want equal numbers of women taring roofs or laying bricks or getting certificates in plumbing. These people want the shit they think is glamourous, not actual equality. Come work as a lumberjack girl, let's get you axing down some fucking redwoods and let's see how firmly you wanna be equal.
It's a joke, they don't want to be equal they just want power. It's a corrupt desire wrapped in a nice sounding package.
Never happens, because it's not a reasonable movement. At least not anymore. The reasonable part of the movement got what it wanted in the late 70's which was equal rights. Congrats.
Women actual don't have all equal rights yet.
www.shrm.org
If you really think we solved all problems with sexism before we were even born...I don't know what to tell you, because we aren't even *close* to having men and women be treated equally.
Gender Pay Gap Improvement Slowed During the Pandemic
The pay gap between working women and men overall held steady into 2022, unchanged from a year earlier, a break from the steady improvement seen since 2015, new research shows.
www.shrm.org
If you really think we solved all problems with sexism before we were even born...I don't know what to tell you, because we aren't even *close* to having men and women be treated equally.
Proving me right, guy. You know jack shit but you think you know everything. And no, we are nowhere near equality for the sexes. Just because you have something on paper doesn't mean you have it in practice.
There are countless reports and studies as to why the gender pay gap isn't real. Women do have the same legal rights as men in this regard as it is absolutely illegal to pay a woman less for the same work with the same experience.Women actual don't have all equal rights yet.
Gender Pay Gap Improvement Slowed During the Pandemic
The pay gap between working women and men overall held steady into 2022, unchanged from a year earlier, a break from the steady improvement seen since 2015, new research shows.
If you really think we solved all problems with sexism before we were even born...I don't know what to tell you, because we aren't even *close* to having men and women be treated equally.
This has been so overly debunked it's like believing in flat earth.
Just because we have equal rights doesn't mean we have equal rights!!!!
I don't know what to tell you then. I guess we're done.
I would say that there are two types of MRAs. Some definitely focus on just issues. Some feminist even fall in this category. Others just blame women. Some blame women for what rich men do to men
But many of the 1st and 2nd waves feminist blamed men instead of reforming the idea and blaming the patriarchy when they realized poor men were being subjugated too. So it's probably going to be a learning process
If you can't tell the difference between theory and practice, that's your own intellectual failure.