SCOTUS leak suggests Roe v. Wade to be overturned

[Trunkage]

So Louisiana's taking its shot against regular hormonal birth control and IUDs:




Probably their test case to overturn Griswold, which would mean restricted/banned birth control

This has been the biggest mistake of Lefties and Liberals over this whole issue over the last few decades. Roe v Wade is NOT the target. It's a stepping stone to bigger things

 

[Buyetyen]

Greg Abbott wants to use Alito's ruling as precedent to abolish public education.

https://www.statesman.com/story/new...g-education-undocumented-children/9652463002/

Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that Texas would consider challenging a 1982 U.S. Supreme Court decision requiring states to offer free public education to all children, including those of undocumented immigrants.

"Texas already long ago sued the federal government about having to incur the costs of the education program, in a case called Plyler versus Doe," Abbott said, speaking during an appearance on the Joe Pags show, a conservative radio talk show. "And the Supreme Court ruled against us on the issue. ... I think we will resurrect that case and challenge this issue again, because the expenses are extraordinary and the times are different than when Plyler versus Doe was issued many decades ago."

The remarks came days after a leaked draft of a forthcoming U.S. Supreme Court opinion revealed that a majority of justices are poised to revoke Roe v. Wade, the landmark case establishing the right to abortion.

Although the court has yet to officially issue a ruling in the case, civil rights advocates have raised concerns that the court's conservative majority might be amenable to other attempts to overturn established precedent, including those related to LGBTQ rights and interracial marriage.

Abbott raised the possibility of challenging the ruling on education during a discussion about border security, after Pagliarulo asked whether the state could take steps to reduce the "burden" of educating the children of undocumented migrants living in Texas.

Here's the exchange in full:

"We're talking about public tax dollars, public property tax dollars going to fund these schools to teach children who are 5, 6, 7, 10 years old, who don't even have remedial English skills," Pagliarulo said. "This is a real burden on communities. What can you do about that?"

"The challenges put on our public systems is extraordinary," Abbott said in reply. "Texas already long ago sued the federal government about having to incur the costs of the education program, in a case called Plyler versus Doe. And the Supreme Court ruled against us on the issue about denying, or let's say Texas having to bear that burden. I think we will resurrect that case and challenge this issue again, because the expenses are extraordinary and the times are different than when Plyler versus Doe was issued many decades ago."

 

[Trunkage]

Your intense fatalism is noted. I believe in progress.

Just remember, when you sit down with your congregation, there are going to be 7 to 12 women sitting beside you, telling you personally how much they and their god despises abortions, who have also already had an abortion. And they will never tell you because they know what you would do

That's just an estimated number, I don't know how big your congregation is. Scale appropriately for congregation above 150

This is not fatalism. This is just me talking to women about what's going on. And I DO NOT mean liberals. I mean highly conservative women

Edit: I forgot to add earlier, you stance on privacy is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard on this website. And we are talking about abortions here

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

Greg Abbott wants to use Alito's ruling as precedent to abolish public education.

https://www.statesman.com/story/new...g-education-undocumented-children/9652463002/

They beat democracy by packing the courts. A law is passed by the Democrats or they don't like a law they can just fight to the courts and change it to what they like.

This case is the signal to the Republicans that they do not have to listen to anyone in this country anymore.

 

[Agema]

They beat democracy by packing the courts. A law is passed by the Democrats or they don't like a law they can just fight to the courts and change it to what they like.

No, the Republicans packed the courts by winning at democracy. Or at least, the rather uneven democracy that is the US electoral system. If SCOTUS does kill Roe v. Wade, it is literally what the USA voted for.

The best caveat to that is merely that Trump lost the popular vote - although by a sufficiently narrow margin that he won the seats. One can argue that many people may have voted Republican in 2016 without wanting or intending abortion rights to be canned, but their ignorance and lack of foresight for the consequences doesn't change the fact that they got what they voted for.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

No, the Republicans packed the courts by winning at democracy. Or at least, the rather uneven democracy that is the US electoral system. If SCOTUS does kill Roe v. Wade, it is literally what the USA voted for.

The best caveat to that is merely that Trump lost the popular vote - although by a sufficiently narrow margin that he won the seats. One can argue that many people may have voted Republican in 2016 without wanting or intending abortion rights to be canned, but their ignorance and lack of foresight for the consequences doesn't change the fact that they got what they voted for.

The biggest issue with that logic is the court members were asked if they over turn Roe vs Wade and they LIE.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/03/supreme-court-conservatives-lied/

They straight-up lied and no way to punish them for it. They're doing this because they realize that there's nothing we can do. No one can hold them accountable for their lies.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Louisiana legislators.

 

[Jarrito3002]

This honestly how many feel but won't say it out right. I aprreciate this guys honesty. He can still take his ass on ride to assclown town but thanks for being upfront.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

This honestly how many feel but won't say it out right. I aprreciate this guys honesty. He can still take his ass on ride to assclown town but thanks for being upfront.

As it turns out, no


But take a consolation prize.

 

[Buyetyen]

But take a consolation prize.

Called it. No exceptions.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Just a side note, assuming it's not just my screen, I appreciate his picture in the tweet is just framed like a foot too high so you only get the top of his head and then a lot of blue space.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Err, doesn't that argument also mean you almost can't regulate the medical industry at all?

No. It means you cannot do it in arbitrary fashion.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Moot point, since banning abortion is far from "arbitrary control"

Wrong.

 

[Bedinsis]

No, the Republicans packed the courts by winning at democracy. Or at least, the rather uneven democracy that is the US electoral system. If SCOTUS does kill Roe v. Wade, it is literally what the USA voted for.

The best caveat to that is merely that Trump lost the popular vote - although by a sufficiently narrow margin that he won the seats. One can argue that many people may have voted Republican in 2016 without wanting or intending abortion rights to be canned, but their ignorance and lack of foresight for the consequences doesn't change the fact that they got what they voted for.

Another good caveat is that president Obama's supreme court justice nominee Merrick Garland was not even allowed confirmation hearings.

 

[Seanchaidh]

No, the Republicans packed the courts by winning at democracy. Or at least, the rather uneven democracy that is the US electoral system. If SCOTUS does kill Roe v. Wade, it is literally what the USA voted for.

lol

The United States is an oligarchy. Calling it a democracy is a form of abuse.

 

[Kwak]

This has been the biggest mistake of Lefties and Liberals over this whole issue over the last few decades. Roe v Wade is NOT the target. It's a stepping stone to bigger things

Don't 'true leftists' call anyone who cares about anything other than improving class struggle due to capitalism a liberal?
If you care about anything other than that you're just a cursed liberal.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Don't 'true leftists' call anyone who cares about anything other than improving class struggle due to capitalism a liberal?
If you care about anything other than that you're just a cursed liberal.

I mean, "true leftists" are online community organizers who can't even talk to their roommates about the dishes. Who cares what they think?

That said, there's a lot of brain dead takes floating around of "how dare they do this thing, but they definitely won't do this other related thing they also said they'd do"

Hell, the Dems will probably run Hillary again in 2024. No way she'd lose to Donald Trump this time.

 

[tstorm823]

They straight-up lied and no way to punish them for it.

No they didn't.

Just remember, when you sit down with your congregation, there are going to be 7 to 12 women sitting beside you, telling you personally how much they and their god despises abortions, who have also already had an abortion. And they will never tell you because they know what you would do

That's just an estimated number, I don't know how big your congregation is. Scale appropriately for congregation above 150

This is not fatalism. This is just me talking to women about what's going on. And I DO NOT mean liberals. I mean highly conservative women

Edit: I forgot to add earlier, you stance on privacy is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard on this website. And we are talking about abortions here

I'm a Catholic, there are dozens of parishes I attend in any given year. It's funny how little you understand about people.

At any rate, if you'd care to extend beyond your personal experience (which I actually doubt is true, because nobody straw polls their community for who had abortions, and I don't want to believe you're that big a jerk), it's just amazing that you can take the stance "nothing can change how many abortions people get!" while the rate of abortions continually drops.

I want you to explain your legal standard and why it should be acceptable, not throw around words you don't understand to shut down debate.

You want me to write an essay for you to find one flaw and "dunk on it" because you can't turn around simple answers. You know the law already holds parents to higher standards regarding their children than any other human relationship, that's not a law I need to invent, that is the current state of things. You definitely agree with my example, because instead of sticking to the principle and saying "yes, that dad should be allowed to refuse", you started trying to push it sideways to break the limit of it. How about you take a stance on the example first?

 

[Trunkage]

I'm a Catholic, there are dozens of parishes I attend in any given year. It's funny how little you understand about people.

Is this meant to mean.... anything? What's it got to do with understanding people?

Like, I knew you were Catholic. That's why I bring up that most abortions are done on Christians in the US.

At any rate, if you'd care to extend beyond your personal experience (which I actually doubt is true, because nobody straw polls their community for who had abortions, and I don't want to believe you're that big a jerk), it's just amazing that you can take the stance "nothing can change how many abortions people get!" while the rate of abortions continually drops.

Nothing? No, I specifically said getting rid of Roe and banning abortion wont stop people getting abortions. ONLY. I never said anything about 'nothing.'

There are plenty of things that help people not have abortions. Planned Parenthood, for example. Normal sex ed, not puritan. Parents being actual parents and teaching their kids about sex instead of fucking them up with religious stuff. Banning Purity Culture. That last one I'm not so keen on because I don't think it's the government place to ban parents fucking up their kids on religious grounds.

See, I'd prefer that we try to help people rather than just punishing them. If you can provide something that help overcome the punishment, you might succeed in changing things. Lumping more punishment on and making it mandatory doesn't sit well with people and sure doesn't make people change their minds