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That said, how does said volunteer asshole filming you know how you voted? At best said asshole knows *that* you voted. At worst, he's seen you dump an armload of ballots in the box and thinks you are violating ballot harvesting rules.
Interestingly enough, the other day I saw an ad made by an environmental activist group saying that nobody will see how you voted, but who voted is a matter of public record, so if you don't vote, all your friends and family will be able to see you didn't vote to save the planet.

It was like a non-voter intimidation campaign. They wanted to intimidate the non-voters.
There is a reason why schools don't listen to this.
The reason schools don't listen to this is that teaching the youth about evolution has positive consequences for the nation and society.
 

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The reason schools don't listen to this is that teaching the youth about evolution has positive consequences for the nation and society.
It's a verifiable fact that teaching comprehensive sex education starting in kindergarten lowers teen std rates, teen pregnancy rates, teen abortion rates, and child sex abuse rates.
 

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You.... genuinely don't think that sounds like intimidation? I'd be fucking intimidated if some "volunteer" asshole was filming me put the vote in the box with his phone. I'd be thinking he and his mates were going to bump into me later in the day if I didn't vote the way he wanted.
This. Obviously.
 

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Monstrous!!!
I think it's a matter of purity for a lot of people. They want to keep their kids pure and untainted for as long as possible, even at the risk of them having a higher likelihood for negatives to happen to them later. It's a very classic religious thinking, that knowledge corrupts instead of elevating people. That's what evicted Adam and Eve from eden too.


I think they believe they can protect their kids, so they shouldn't have to corrupt them because someone else can't protect their kids. And you can't really solve this unless we all as a society become way more comfortable with sexual acts and don't put em on a pedestal or treat em as taboo or as crimes.
 
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah guys, Ben Shapiro told me it's not even supposed to get wet. It's like a mogwai that way.
I mean... in a technical sense, he's not wrong. It's just that it's a moral stance that should be so universally acknowledged that it's shouldn't be seriously under question.

Its a moral stance just like "people should be kind when possible and within reason" is a moral stance. No reasonable person objects. And yeah, I have zero problem with schools imparting moral lessons that boil down to basic human decency. And I have a feeling tstorm also wouldn't object to schools telling kids not to pointlessly hit eachother, which is also a "moral stance".
 
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I mean... in a technical sense, he's not wrong. It's just that it's a moral stance that should be so universally acknowledged that it's shouldn't be seriously under question.

Its a moral stance just like "people should be kind when possible and within reason" is a moral stance. No reasonable person objects. And yeah, I have zero problem with schools imparting moral lessons that boil down to basic human decency. And I have a feeling tstorm also wouldn't object to schools telling kids not to pointlessly hit eachother, which is also a "moral stance".
Man I love that "Why should I make my partner cum?" is a thing people are saying out loud.
 
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Tstorm genuinely thought he was taking some profound swings with these statements. He forgot to engage his empity circuits and check if being a sexual prude was still popular.

Man actually said handjobs are a sin 😂
 

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Why are we just comparing it to another form of voter intimidation, and saying that because A is worse, B is therefore fine?
Because the government (aka DOJ) under a democrat administration decided that that wasn't voter intimidation to the point that the accused didn't bother to show to the initial hearing and then the lawyers handling the case were ordered to drop it from above. So it's less severe than something our favorite constitutional scholar and last decent president specifically considered not voter intimidation.

It's not exactly difficult to catch a glimpse of a piece of paper with a thick mark on it, particularly if you have footage to go over.
Mail ballots generally come with an envelope you have to put them in, that hides who you voted for from passerby and mail handlers. Unless something is going very wrong, even a team of idiots with cameras circling you looking as close as possible should only be able to see that you are dropping of a ballot, but not what you voted (or even if the ballot is actually yours). Like, it's a stupid pointless plan on their part unless the same people show up repeatedly to drop ballots or someone shows up with armfuls of them or something.
 

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Because the government (aka DOJ) under a democrat administration decided that that wasn't voter intimidation to the point that the accused didn't bother to show to the initial hearing and then the lawyers handling the case were ordered to drop it from above. So it's less severe than something our favorite constitutional scholar and last decent president specifically considered not voter intimidation.
Right but you get how that only works as an argument if Silvanus agrees with that earlier decision right? It has no bearing on their views if someone else is a hypocrite? Or are you doing that thing where you pretend the left loves Obama?
 
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Or are you doing that thing where you pretend the left loves Obama?
I'm doing that thing where I pretend that most folks will basically agree that Obama was generally competent and that being generally competent has been basically unique for 21st century US presidents. Aside from him we have an idiot, a conman, and that borderline senile guy who was only elected because people were afraid of the conman getting a second term. This was one of the early things done in his term, lawyers involved in the case resigned over it and it...just wasn't really publically challenged that much comparatively.
 

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It's a verifiable fact that teaching comprehensive sex education starting in kindergarten lowers teen std rates, teen pregnancy rates, teen abortion rates, and child sex abuse rates.
Comprehensive sex education does not include how to give pleasurable hand jobs.
Tstorm genuinely thought he was taking some profound swings with these statements. He forgot to engage his empity circuits and check if being a sexual prude was still popular.
I'm not taking any profound swings, but everyone in here taking the position of "schools should be teaching kids to jerk each other off" is making a pretty substantial point for me.

"None of these books are pornographic, nobody is supposed to derive sexual pleasure from them... but also schools should be teaching kids of all ages how to get sexual pleasure because that's a good thing!"
 

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No one is teaching kids to jerk each other off. There is discussion of materials which talk about understanding your own and your peers bodies, how they work, what's safe, and what is pleasurable.

Contrary to your Christian beliefs, being open and communicative about sex is not some path to abuse and evil. Just as acknowledging sex can be fun is not evil.
 

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Because the government (aka DOJ) under a democrat administration decided that that wasn't voter intimidation to the point that the accused didn't bother to show to the initial hearing and then the lawyers handling the case were ordered to drop it from above. So it's less severe than something our favorite constitutional scholar and last decent president specifically considered not voter intimidation.
OK. I mean, I'd still say someone filming you at the ballot box is more intimidating than someone standing outside, but whatever.

Why should we be using that standard here, then? You don't seem to like the standard. And I never invoked it. So why are you now insisting we work by it?


Mail ballots generally come with an envelope you have to put them in, that hides who you voted for from passerby and mail handlers. Unless something is going very wrong, even a team of idiots with cameras circling you looking as close as possible should only be able to see that you are dropping of a ballot, but not what you voted (or even if the ballot is actually yours). Like, it's a stupid pointless plan on their part unless the same people show up repeatedly to drop ballots or someone shows up with armfuls of them or something.
Mail ballots, sure. Not all ballots.

But regardless of this, the message they're sending is clear: "we're watching you". Say if I turned up to vote looking like a bit of a hippy, and the person filming me at the ballot box was a skinhead.

It's very obvious that they're likelier to make certain assumptions about me and the way I voted. And it's very obvious they want me to know.
 

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I agree 100% with the sentence I quoted, but that training and interaction is not teaching children sexuality. Their sexuality has nothing at all to do with child molestation.
That is a very dangerous and harmful misconception.

How do you deal with a child who has been groomed? How do you deal with a teenager who is dating someone a few years older than them but who seems really happy, who feels incredibly lucky that someone older and cooler is showing interest in them? How do you deal with a teenage boy who feels like he's living out some real life porn fantasy because he's having sex with an adult woman? How do you deal with a teenage girl who feels incredibly powerful because an adult man is cheating on his wife with her? How do you deal with a teenager who feels like the luckiest person in the world because some internet personality or musician or religious leader they admire showed interest in them and all they had to do in return was provide sexual favors. How do you deal with a teenager who is so happy to have an older partner they can talk about literature or music with because noone their own age seems to get them? How do you deal with a teenage girl who posts provocative pictures of herself in online spaces frequented by adults or who self-identifies as a lolita or an AAM? How do you deal with a teenager who loves sex and feels liberated by sex and feels like it's the only time anyone treats them like the adult they feel they are?

The stereotypical image of a child sex abuse victim is a pre-pubescent child, but in reality the risks of a child being sexually abused increase as they age. Abusers who target teenagers generally work by exploiting a child's developing sexuality, often singling out children who are easier to manipulate because they have have already picked up unhealthy views about sexuality. If you refuse to consider a child's sexuality or sexual development as important, you're leaving that child open to manipulation by people who do consider it important.
 

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No one is teaching kids to jerk each other off.
Why not? Are you willing to assert that teaching kids to jerk each other off is bad?
The stereotypical image of a child sex abuse victim is a pre-pubescent child, but in reality the risks of a child being sexually abused increase as they age. Abusers who target teenagers generally work by exploiting a child's developing sexuality, often singling out children who are easier to manipulate because they have have already picked up unhealthy views about sexuality. If you refuse to consider a child's sexuality or sexual development as important, you're leaving that child open to manipulation by people who do consider it important.
The books being protested frequently actively normalize this sort of behavior. I don't know if you saw my post to Trunkage about "This Book is Gay", but one section has people telling the story of how they lost their virginity, and one is a gay man who had a married, adult store owner flirting with him when he was 15, and made physical sexual contact on his 16th birthday. That is a story of grooming, framed in the book as a perfectly normal thing. Again, you are saying things that are correct, that I agree with. But in context you are saying these things in defense of materials that don't mesh with what you are saying. If you want youth to know that they will feel sexual desires and adults might take advantage of them that way, the messaging should definitely not be "sex with an older man is normal."
 

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I'm doing that thing where I pretend that most folks will basically agree that Obama was generally competent and that being generally competent has been basically unique for 21st century US presidents. Aside from him we have an idiot, a conman, and that borderline senile guy who was only elected because people were afraid of the conman getting a second term. This was one of the early things done in his term, lawyers involved in the case resigned over it and it...just wasn't really publically challenged that much comparatively.
Okay fine. I think Obama is a vile war criminal who has sanctioned the slaughter of children. Now. Do you have an explanation as to why this isn't voter intimidation without using whataboutism over a former US president I firmly believe should be hanged? Because frankly that doesn't justify why the recent case is fine actually.