Our Covid Response

[gorfias]

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Apart from the state telling you to do something (and it having to do with clothes, I guess), there's no way that's comparable.

The Jewish Star was meant to "otherise" people. It was a step at dehumanizing them and then? Do as you like to them.

Edit: Our elite, like Nancy Pelosi and Newsom know more about Covid and our response and they did not follow the rules they made meant for those "untouchables" only. They were not afraid. Neither should we have been

More below.

Pants do nothing to benefit the user in summer, they even may be detrimental since they warm up the nethers which can result in a lower sperm count. You should be rallying against the tyranny of government mandated pant usage. We wouldn't have seen a strain of the flu die off if masks did nothing, pants on the other hand, unless its cold, are just tyranny.

I recall an African dealing with a Brit in shorts stating how offensive it was to him to have to put up with this Brit. It was uncivil to him to expose one's lower legs as the Brit was doing, while he wore a sheer set of pants that could "breath" and were comfortable even in that heat. Insisting that people wear culturally appropriate pants (or shorts) keeps people from seeing your privates. Or in the African's case, your knees. They don't want to see your knees. But people do want, and need, to see your face for many social, psychological, and developmental reasons. So there had better be a very good reason to insist on a face mask.

Let's be generous here and say you are 20% less likely to need to go to the hospital (much higher than found in the Copenhagen study but for the sake of argument). If EDIT with higher figures: 1-5% of people that caught Covid with masks require hospital, without them, the number rises to 1.2-6. That is still, statistically speaking, insignificant.

We are supposed to do a cost benefit analysis on this sort of thing. Example: Sony Bono and one of the Kennedy kids both were killed when skiing within 3 months of each other. Pretty scary. Should we outlaw skiing? Of course not.

And we should not have had to endure the outrage of having to wear the harmful masks in public, by force, either.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The Jewish Star was meant to "otherise" people. It was a step at dehumanizing them and then? Do as you like to them.

Sure. And the masks were (at least nominally) intended for everyone, the entire population (even if some people refused), for their protection and those of others.

Now, it's fair to complain about exemptions and people not following the rules, but if everyone is supposed to wear them, that's the exact opposite of othering people.

Secondly, the masks aren't harmful, nor are they outrageous (though this is a separate issue to the above). It just became another shibboleth for the usual suspects to complain about.

Yeah, it sucks that the government makes you wear masks, its a nuisance, but in a time of crisis we have to change to adapt. I'd also note that there's plenty of nominal patriots who say they'd fight and/or die to protect their country in some unspecified emergency, but when it actually comes down to it, wearing a bit of cloth in front of their face when in public was too much.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Really? You're still going with that narrative that the lab leak theory is racist?

No. If you've come to that conclusion then you're reading comprehension is so bad that you have no business trying to interpret studies

The wet market explanation is far more racist.

Neat

You talk about xenophobia but I've yet to see you complain about how affirmative action is extremely xenophobic to Asians.

You have a bouncy ball where your brain should be

What did Paul say in those links that differs from what I said? The Faust Files interview he says exactly what I remember him saying in another interview I listened to. I don't quite remember to the T what he said in the interviews I've listened to as I don't re-look them up every time to make sure I've perfectly restated his view, but I don't think I've been off with the general gist of what I said that he said. He voted no on the bivalent booster because there's no data saying it's better and scientifically there's no reason to think it's better based on the things we do know. Paul himself isn't getting the booster and he's over 70, how is that anything other than an endorsement that most people don't need it?

Yeah, you're exactly the sort of person listens to somebody saying "high fructose corn syrup is rough on the body and needs to be curtailed" and hears "sugar is poison". Paul Offit voted against changing the booster because it doesn't (yet) show it's significantly better enough to burn the extra resources making it, not because it isn't effective at all. Dr Offit isn't getting *any* booster because he doesn't have any comorbidities, this does not translate to "an endorsement that most people don't need it"

 

[gorfias]

Sure. And the masks were (at least nominally) intended for everyone, the entire population (even if some people refused), for their protection and those of others.

Now, it's fair to complain about exemptions and people not following the rules, but if everyone is supposed to wear them, that's the exact opposite of othering people.

Secondly, the masks aren't harmful, nor are they outrageous (though this is a separate issue to the above). It just became another shibboleth for the usual suspects to complain about.

Yeah, it sucks that the government makes you wear masks, its a nuisance, but in a time of crisis we have to change to adapt. I'd also note that there's plenty of nominal patriots who say they'd fight and/or die to protect their country in some unspecified emergency, but when it actually comes down to it, wearing a bit of cloth in front of their face when in public was too much.

Pelosi and Newsom are not stupid. They were displaying their power. The laws the write are meant for others.Yes, Defacto, the laws were for everyone. In practice, they were meant for the little people.

Good rant today!

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

 

[Thaluikhain]

The laws the write are meant for others.Yes, Defacto, the laws were for everyone. In practice, they were meant for the little people.

There's truth to that, but that doesn't mean there was a problem with the mask mandates (per se), it means there's a problem with the elites, the one that's been around (in various forms) ever since there were elites.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I mean, I feel like I should point out that because of elites flouting covid restrictions, there are a good chunk of dead elites

This isn't like, flouting parking laws and just using the tickets as a parking fee, this is Masque of the Red Death stuff a lot of the time

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Dude, no. You either haven't bothered to read it or you're shifting the conversation again.

The 147-person study specifically found that those who did have covid experienced the LC symptoms at a greater rate than those who had non-covid infections-- and it found biological indicators. It found everything you're claiming hasn't been found. It's directly relevant.



No, it's not, though. Every study you've posted has merely said there are uncertainties, things we don't know, etc-- not a single one has actually said covid isn't linked to long covid, but you've run away with that as a certainty.




You've been given three. They found biological indicators. They found differences in the rates of the symptoms depending on whether people had covid or non-covid infections. They found everything you're claiming hasn't been found, and all you've done is complain that they've had limitations.

For like the 3rd fucking time... The study found no difference in healthy people post covid and long covid people. That means there's no marker that's unique and triggering long covid (that we know of).

Only the 26,000 person French study has said that...

Again, only the 26,000 person French study has said that...

No. If you've come to that conclusion then you're reading comprehension is so bad that you have no business trying to interpret studies
Neat
You have a bouncy ball where your brain should be

Yeah, you're exactly the sort of person listens to somebody saying "high fructose corn syrup is rough on the body and needs to be curtailed" and hears "sugar is poison". Paul Offit voted against changing the booster because it doesn't (yet) show it's significantly better enough to burn the extra resources making it, not because it isn't effective at all. Dr Offit isn't getting *any* booster because he doesn't have any comorbidities, this does not translate to "an endorsement that most people don't need it"

So it's not racist that Asians have to score like 50 points higher than everyone else to get into college?

Again, look up insulin resistance. I didn't coin the phrase "sugar is poison". We are literally designed to only eat small amounts of it at a time. I didn't say it wasn't effective, I said it wasn't the best way to protect yourself against covid (like the official misinformation on Facebook said). So most people have comorbidities? Also, only the vulnerable have benefited from any booster. You do realize our very best and top colleges have mandated boosters to students where there's no data showing that group would benefit, right?

I mean, I feel like I should point out that because of elites flouting covid restrictions, there are a good chunk of dead elites

This isn't like, flouting parking laws and just using the tickets as a parking fee, this is Masque of the Red Death stuff a lot of the time

You act like getting covid is actually avoidable. Most everyone has gotten covid and everyone will get it again. How is flouting covid restrictions causing more death? In fact, the longer between infections increases the likelihood of getting a severe case so avoiding covid will probably end up being worse in the long run. Why do you think kids are filling up hospitals with RSV right now? Because they haven't been exposed to it in like 2 years and the regularity of exposure has been interrupted.

 

[Worgen]

I recall an African dealing with a Brit in shorts stating how offensive it was to him to have to put up with this Brit. It was uncivil to him to expose one's lower legs as the Brit was doing, while he wore a sheer set of pants that could "breath" and were comfortable even in that heat. Insisting that people wear culturally appropriate pants (or shorts) keeps people from seeing your privates. Or in the African's case, your knees. They don't want to see your knees. But people do want, and need, to see your face for many social, psychological, and developmental reasons. So there had better be a very good reason to insist on a face mask.

Let's be generous here and say you are 20% less likely to need to go to the hospital (much higher than found in the Copenhagen study but for the sake of argument). If EDIT with higher figures: 1-5% of people that caught Covid with masks require hospital, without them, the number rises to 1.2-6. That is still, statistically speaking, insignificant.

We are supposed to do a cost benefit analysis on this sort of thing. Example: Sony Bono and one of the Kennedy kids both were killed when skiing within 3 months of each other. Pretty scary. Should we outlaw skiing? Of course not.

And we should not have had to endure the outrage of having to wear the harmful masks in public, by force, either.

Even a pair of shorts can cause the nethers to reach a dangerous temperature that could impact fertility. Unless you are willing to take a stand against such tyrany, all I see from you is hypocrisy.

You are ignoring the fact that by itself, one person wearing a mask doesn't really matter, but when everyone does it vastly limits disease spread. We wouldn't have seen a strain of the flu wiped out if that wasn't the case.

If masks are harmful to you then you have such a weak constitution that you must be suffocating from the shirt you wear. Or have some respiratory issue and they still have face shields that are less effective then even cloth masks, but still better then nothing.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

You are ignoring the fact that by itself, one person wearing a mask doesn't really matter, but when everyone does it vastly limits disease spread.

Citation please.

One person wearing an N95 very much matters, that legit works. If you wanna protect yourself, you can.

 

[gorfias]

Even a pair of shorts can cause the nethers to reach a dangerous temperature that could impact fertility. Unless you are willing to take a stand against such tyrany, all I see from you is hypocrisy.

You are ignoring the fact that by itself, one person wearing a mask doesn't really matter, but when everyone does it vastly limits disease spread. We wouldn't have seen a strain of the flu wiped out if that wasn't the case.

If masks are harmful to you then you have such a weak constitution that you must be suffocating from the shirt you wear. Or have some respiratory issue and they still have face shields that are less effective then even cloth masks, but still better then nothing.

No, no, no. Not even close. I don't know anyone claiming that masks worn by everyone vastly limits disease spread. I've read statistically speaking, the impact is negligible. But above I try to give some generous number and you still end up with a very small impact.
" Let's be generous here and say you are 20% less likely to need to go to the hospital (much higher than found in the Copenhagen study but for the sake of argument). If ... 1-5% of people that caught Covid with masks require hospital, without them, the number rises to 1.2-6. That is still, statistically speaking, insignificant. "

When Cuomo said that if everything we do saves even 1 person, it will have been worth doing, I shuddered. People die all the time from doing things that are not vital. I mention Sonny Bono and a Kennedy kid being killed in skiing accidents 3 months apart. Outlaw skiing? A little boy was killed by a falling branch while trick or treating. Out law that practice? Lot of kids drown to death in home swimming pools. How about needing a permit to leave the home stating it is vital you do a thing outside the home?

I do not think the mask was ever meant to protect people. At best, it was a placebo the establishment wanted to impose to chill out the "Karen"s who were monopolizing all of the toilet paper (remember that panic?) At worst, it was an authoritarian display of power that helped them root out the defiant from the obedient.

 

[Silvanus]

For like the 3rd fucking time... The study found no difference in healthy people post covid and long covid people. That means there's no marker that's unique and triggering long covid (that we know of).

If you think that's what it says, you've misread it.

Only the 26,000 person French study has said that...

Again, only the 26,000 person French study has said that...

It didn't say that, though. It said there are uncertainties and unknowns. You have drawn factual conclusions that authors never did.

 

[Silvanus]

I do not think the mask was ever meant to protect people. At best, it was a placebo the establishment wanted to impose to chill out the "Karen"s who were monopolizing all of the toilet paper (remember that panic?) At worst, it was an authoritarian display of power that helped them root out the defiant from the obedient.

Oh, fucking please.

What "rooting out" occurred, exactly? Who came and knocked on your door and escorted you away because you didn't wear a mask? Get a sense of perspective: if you think this is terrible persecution, then you don't know what persecution is.

I hate to have to state the obvious, but the 'powers that be' would much rather nobody was masked. They've spent untold millions on developing CCTV and facial recognition softwares which masks inhibit. They only told people to mask because inaction would've been politically toxic.

 

[gorfias]

Oh, fucking please.

What "rooting out" occurred, exactly? Who came and knocked on your door and escorted you away because you didn't wear a mask? Get a sense of perspective: if you think this is terrible persecution, then you don't know what persecution is.

I hate to have to state the obvious, but the 'powers that be' would much rather nobody was masked. They've spent untold millions on developing CCTV and facial recognition softwares which masks inhibit. They only told people to mask because inaction would've been politically toxic.

I was obedient enough to my shame. But to my wife. I'm more obedient to her than to Govt. Wore the mask, took the jabs. I'm old so if they kill me, I wouldn't be too mad about it. But I asked my kids not to take it. My daughter is a college educated believer and wanted and took the shot. The boy had to in order to go on a trip with his fiance. Both had natural immunity but complied in taking a shot that could have killed them.

Those that don't/didn't comply? There are videos all over the internet. Things like cops strong arming their way into Churches to break up prayer gatherings and funerals. Who did they think they were? Liquor store customers?!? Protesters being beaten with police batons. House arrests in Australia and more.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

If you think that's what it says, you've misread it.



It didn't say that, though. It said there are uncertainties and unknowns. You have drawn factual conclusions that authors never did.

No that's what it said.

It showed that long-term symptoms were not isolated to covid infections.

Oh, fucking please.

What "rooting out" occurred, exactly? Who came and knocked on your door and escorted you away because you didn't wear a mask? Get a sense of perspective: if you think this is terrible persecution, then you don't know what persecution is.

I hate to have to state the obvious, but the 'powers that be' would much rather nobody was masked. They've spent untold millions on developing CCTV and facial recognition softwares which masks inhibit. They only told people to mask because inaction would've been politically toxic.

Arrested For Violating Coronavirus Stay-At-Home Mandates: Police Are Jailing Alleged Scofflaws

Local law enforcement around the country is arresting people who allegedly fail to follow social distance directives designed to slow coronavirus infections.

www.forbes.com

The news anchor, Ryan Grim, that was on The Hill and now Breaking Points was teaching his daughter to ride a bike in a park and they were forced to leave. And he moved out of the state because of that.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

So it's not racist that Asians have to score like 50 points higher than everyone else to get into college?

Dunno. Know it wasn't even close to what we were talking about though. Not gonna argue a stance you've hallucinated for me though

Again, look up insulin resistance. I didn't coin the phrase "sugar is poison".

You're right, one asshole doc deciding to be the next Wakefield did. For somebody bitching:

I didn't say it wasn't effective, I said it wasn't the best way to protect yourself against covid (like the official misinformation on Facebook said).

...maybe take a look in the goddamned mirror

So most people have comorbidities? Also, only the vulnerable have benefited from any booster. You do realize our very best and top colleges have mandated boosters to students where there's no data showing that group would benefit, right?

Yep. With our clownshoes healthcare system, most people don't know if they have a comorbitity or not. Therefore blanket immunization is good policy.

You act like getting covid is actually avoidable. Most everyone has gotten covid and everyone will get it again. How is flouting covid restrictions causing more death? In fact, the longer between infections increases the likelihood of getting a severe case so avoiding covid will probably end up being worse in the long run. Why do you think kids are filling up hospitals with RSV right now? Because they haven't been exposed to it in like 2 years and the regularity of exposure has been interrupted.

No, good call. We should all have a low level covid infection at all times. You are very smart

 

[Worgen]

Citation please.

One person wearing an N95 very much matters, that legit works. If you wanna protect yourself, you can.

I'm going by masking in general, which means most people are using cloth masks, which help, but mainly help protect people from you, not you from others. But, if everyone is wearing one then the protection granted is much better since everyone's respiratory drops are much more contained.

No, no, no. Not even close. I don't know anyone claiming that masks worn by everyone vastly limits disease spread. I've read statistically speaking, the impact is negligible. But above I try to give some generous number and you still end up with a very small impact.
" Let's be generous here and say you are 20% less likely to need to go to the hospital (much higher than found in the Copenhagen study but for the sake of argument). If ... 1-5% of people that caught Covid with masks require hospital, without them, the number rises to 1.2-6. That is still, statistically speaking, insignificant. "

That is such a bad use of numbers its mind blowing. Masking only has to do with hospitalization broadly since if more people mask, fewer people would be infected, but if you catch it, it doesn't matter if you are wearing a mask or not since hospitalization depends on how bad your case is. If you want to prove something then you need to compare mask-less events to masked events and find out how many infections followed each one. But you can also use common sense, do doctors wear masks during surgery even though they can get in the way? Yes, then boom, masks do something.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Dunno. Know it wasn't even close to what we were talking about though. Not gonna argue a stance you've hallucinated for me though
You're right, one asshole doc deciding to be the next Wakefield did. For somebody bitching:
...maybe take a look in the goddamned mirror
Yep. With our clownshoes healthcare system, most people don't know if they have a comorbitity or not. Therefore blanket immunization is good policy.

No, good call. We should all have a low level covid infection at all times. You are very smart

It's really funny how you're so against racism on something that isn't racist but not willing to take a stand against something that is very much and extremely racist. I bet you're gonna have a fit when the Supreme Court says affirmative action is unconstitutional.

Nope, I don't recall his name as he was on The Daily Show like 20 years ago and listening to him ended up being one of the best decisions in my life probably. Only 12% of Americans are metabolically healthy and sugar is the main culprit. I was basically like if he's wrong and I stop drinking pop, I'm at least doing like the bare minimum for at least a somewhat decent diet and cutting out tons of empty calories and if he's right, then it'll be a massive improvement later in my quality of life.

Only 12% of Americans are Metabolically Healthy

New research shows that an “alarmingly low” number of American adults are achieving optimal metabolic health, leaving the majority of people at increased risk for serious diseases.

www.healthline.com

Huh? When have I misrepresented your argument? You just get mad that I take it to the next logical point.

There's data literally showing several groups of people are put at more risk getting just vaccinated once (vs an actual covid infection). The same is true of certain groups with boosters as well. A one-size fits all health policy doesn't work. There's a reason why the CDC has the booster data for those under 50 and never has published it because it says they don't work.

I'm pretty sure I had a couple super mild cases of covid this summer as I would wake up with a sore throat every couple weeks that cleared up same day or next day (which never happens to me in the summer). One time even had a beginnings of a runny nose one day and cleared up next day when I got up (and I have no allergies whatsoever). What's so bad about having a low level infection of some endemic virus? That happens normally in the winter all the time. You act like I just make up all this shit when it's just basic scientific knowledge.

Pandemic 'immunity gap' is probably behind surge in RSV cases, scientists say | CNN

The measures that helped keep us safe from Covid-19 over the past 2½ years -- lockdowns, physical distancing, wearing masks, washing hands -- also helped limit the spread of other viruses. As people return to school and work and take off their masks, those viruses, including respiratory...

www.cnn.com

“Decreased exposure to endemic viruses created an immunity gap – a group of susceptible individuals who avoided infection and therefore lack pathogen-specific immunity to protect against future infection,” Messacar and Baker wrote this summer in a commentary published in the medical journal The Lancet.

I'm going by masking in general, which means most people are using cloth masks, which help, but mainly help protect people from you, not you from others. But, if everyone is wearing one then the protection granted is much better since everyone's respiratory drops are much more contained.

At best everyone masking with cloth mask helps very very very minimally (all the best studies have shown basically no effect). Covid is airborne, not droplet based (technically very small droplets but). If you're vulnerable and what to do something in public, it's much better for you to wear an N95 with no one else wearing any masks than it is for you to wear a cloth mask with everyone else also wearing a cloth masks.

 

[Buyetyen]

Covid is airborne, not droplet based (technically very small droplets but).

That's what airborne means, dude. This has been explained to you.

 

[Silvanus]

I was obedient enough to my shame. But to my wife. I'm more obedient to her than to Govt. Wore the mask, took the jabs. I'm old so if they kill me, I wouldn't be too mad about it. But I asked my kids not to take it. My daughter is a college educated believer and wanted and took the shot. The boy had to in order to go on a trip with his fiance. Both had natural immunity but complied in taking a shot that could have killed them.

This is just straightforward paranoid nonsense. By every single metric, the jab makes you safer, even for people who already have a measure of immunity. The danger is infinitesimal.

Those that don't/didn't comply? There are videos all over the internet. Things like cops strong arming their way into Churches to break up prayer gatherings and funerals. Who did they think they were? Liquor store customers?!? Protesters being beaten with police batons. House arrests in Australia and more.

Right-- every single one of these instances has additional context which shows how it doesn't boil down to just "persecution for refusing to wear a mask".