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I mean, seriously. If a lefty publication speculated that some priest was posting about weird abusive porn, and then extrapolated that we can't trust a whole network of Churches because they associated with him, you'd be decrying the absurdity of it and strenuously preaching caution because we literally don't know if he actually did it.
If that happened, the Church would move him to a position away from children, and people would accuse the Church of a coverup. Caution is not "we don't have hard proof he's a psycho, so we'll defer to following this anthropologist's advice on untested medical treatment of minors."
 

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To be fair, the David being depicted in that statue is famously a minor in the scene being depicted...
Unclear. David's age is never stated in the Bible at this point, it is just clear he is youthful. He is often portrayed as particularly young in media when shown fighting Goliath to exaggerage the disparity, however, he may plausibly have been anywhere up to around 20 years old.
 

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If that happened, the Church would move him to a position away from children, and people would accuse the Church of a coverup.
We're talking about /your/ attitude here.

Other people would accuse the Church of cover-up. And you would tell them they're being absurd, that there's no good evidence, that we can't take sheer speculation as reason to assume guilt.
 

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We're talking about /your/ attitude here.

Other people would accuse the Church of cover-up. And you would tell them they're being absurd, that there's no good evidence, that we can't take sheer speculation as reason to assume guilt.
When have I ever taken that position on anything? Have you never heard me say "proof is a stupid standard"?
 

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When have I ever taken that position on anything? Have you never heard me say "proof is a stupid standard"?
Hah, I remember a long conversation in which you insisted that the mountain of circumstantial evidence implicating Giuliani and his cronies was insufficient for us to conclude malfeasance.
 
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A school banned a 1st grade class from singing RainbowLand (a duet from Dolly Parton and Miley Cyrus)

They also banned them from singing Rainbow Connection (by Kermit. The Frog) but have overturned that

Because all rainbows will turn the kids trans. Or gay. Or something

Wisconsin school bans Miley Cyrus-Dolly Parton duet from class concert : NPR
I find ironic that assholes like them are banning a Miley Cyrus song, are probably the same ones who made excuses and blaming Black/African/African-American culture. Side rant: Cyrus was guilty of this too and tried to pass the buck. Which is and was bullshit. Cyrus was another celebrity that used the culture for her own gain and abandoned it was no longer convenient, or when it started troubling her reputation. Donating to BLM does not count as an official apology, Cyrus. Actually, admit your bullshit and own up yo iy. I still don't Cyrus and have no respect for her, but is an extra caveat of bullshit.

These morons are the fascists, "snowflakes", and "cancel culture" they accuse everyone else not of their group of being. Fuck them.
 
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Hah, I remember a long conversation in which you insisted that the mountain of circumstantial evidence implicating Giuliani and his cronies was insufficient for us to conclude malfeasance.
On the contrary: the mountain of circumstantial evidence did implicate Giuliani and his cronies, particularly his Ukrainian cronies. We have messages and testimony of those cronies attempting to manipulate Donald Trump, maybe even successfully. The thing that we had no actual evidence for was the idea that they were enacting a plan initiated by Trump to blackmail Ukraine. There's not even circumstantial evidence for that, there's at best plausible interpretation of events to consider that possibility.

You wanna go after Giuliani and Lutsenko based on the evidence available, please do.
 

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On the contrary: the mountain of circumstantial evidence did implicate Giuliani and his cronies, particularly his Ukrainian cronies. We have messages and testimony of those cronies attempting to manipulate Donald Trump, maybe even successfully. The thing that we had no actual evidence for was the idea that they were enacting a plan initiated by Trump to blackmail Ukraine. There's not even circumstantial evidence for that, there's at best plausible interpretation of events to consider that possibility.

You wanna go after Giuliani and Lutsenko based on the evidence available, please do.
Him being the guy's boss is a circumstance and a half. The fact it all solely concerns the big man's direct interests is a circumstance and a half.

Face it: you're not being consistent here. How you approach each of these situations is wholly dependent on the conclusion you want to reach beforehand.
 
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Notably, Giuliani at the time was being paid by Lutsenko, not Trump.
He was, at that very time, Trump's personal lawyer. The fact he was also paid by Lutsenko at the same time is yet another 'circumstance and a half' to add to the growing pile.

Alongside... oh, Trump vocally endorsing Lutsenko in calls with Zelensky. And Trump then publicly embracing the possibility of investigation. And Lutsenko saying that as soon as Giuliani contacted him, he "knew what *they* wanted", and that being dirt on Trump's political opponent.

Dude, it's completely unavoidable to acknowledge that there was a pile of circumstantial evidence. What it lacks is direct and uncircumstantial evidence. But circumstantial? Great big stinking mounds of it. Absolutely dwarfing what there is to incriminate this academic bloke.

To say there's "not even circumstantial evidence" is so beyond laughable, I don't think even you take that seriously.
 

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He was, at that very time, Trump's personal lawyer. The fact he was also paid by Lutsenko at the same time is yet another 'circumstance and a half' to add to the growing pile.
Yes, pro bono. He was pro bono counsel for Trump for must of their time working together. While getting paid by others to represent their interests.
Alongside... oh, Trump vocally endorsing Lutsenko in calls with Zelensky.
That is a bold interpretation of that sentence in the call. Why do you think he was referring to Lutsenko?
And Lutsenko saying that as soon as Giuliani contacted him, he "knew what *they* wanted", and that being dirt on Trump's political opponent.
We have text records of Lutsenko sending his stooge to Giuliani way before that. Lutsenko saying that is trying to cover up his own dealings.
To say there's "not even circumstantial evidence" is so beyond laughable, I don't think even you take that seriously.
I can see how you think that when you have every detail wrong to support your conclusions.
 

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Yes, pro bono. He was pro bono counsel for Trump for must of their time working together. While getting paid by others to represent their interests.
It's your opinion that if someone works for someone else, but without pay, then that employment is no longer /a circumstance that indicates any kind of concert between the two people/? I wonder if Trump knew that when he was encouraging Zelensky to work with Giuliani to investigate Biden?

Let's keep in mind: you're not merely arguing that there's not a cast iron case. You're arguing there is /no evidence even of a circumstantial nature/.

That is a bold interpretation of that sentence in the call. Why do you think he was referring to Lutsenko?
Directly from the whistle-blower complaint; "The President also praised Ukraine's Prosecutor General, Mr. Yuriy Lutsenko, and suggested that Mr. Zelenskyy might want to keep him in his position".

You can assume that didn't actually take place, of course. It is, after all, *circumstantial*.

We have text records of Lutsenko sending his stooge to Giuliani way before that. Lutsenko saying that is trying to cover up his own dealings.
Cool, an alternative interpretation of the circumstance.

I can see how you think that when you have every detail wrong to support your conclusions.
Literally nothing I said was demonstrably wrong; what's happened is you've provided alternative explanations.

...Seemingly either forgetting what circumstantial actually means, or forgetting the particularly extreme position you took on it.
 

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"I can't jerk off to this! Ruined forever!"
Seriously, she's wearing a skintight sweater dress and high-heeled boots that wouldn't be out of place on a dominatrix. If her voice is such a turn off to them, they can just mute the game whenever she's on screen. I doubt these guys care what a woman has to say anyway.
 
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