If there's only one car, it's much easier to control your spouses movements. Common abuse tactic
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True but in the video it's not her going out Crowder seems to take issue with. It's her taking the car. He even suggests she call an uber instead.
That you think stuff like this is very telling, consistent with a great deal of the misogynistic tripe you've put in these forums over the years. I could even feel sorry for you, except that if that's the way you think I'd rather save it for the women unlucky enough to have to interact with you.
Dude, he explicitly takes issue with the fact that she can't give him an exact time she'll be back. He wants an obsessive, overbearing amount of control over her precise movements.
The video shows obvious abusive behaviour, for anyone whose head isn't too far up their own behind to recognise it.
Is it?
Or is it more telling that you can't believe it could be possible?
You throw out the claim of misogyny yet you refuse to elaborate as you run to the defence of a woman seemingly believing she needs to be save or her honour defended.
It would seem recent history has taught some people nothing.
Jack Sparrow sends his regards and hopes in future you will learn from events that have gone down.
With the car, that's the key point, not can't say when she'll be back but she'd want to take the car and not give him a time she'd be back. In context it's obvious him wanting to use the car for something so her taking it without giving a time he'd be able to use it bothers him.
Yes, just maybe not from who you think lol.
Pretty sure in a statement similar words were used about Alec Holowka about how much the person loved him and how awful he was.
Simple answer.
Crowder's wife is going somewhere, she implied where she was going would allow her to also pick up groceries. Thus logically it can be assumed she's going into town or something thus said trip would require 1 Uber to get there and 1 Uber to get back.
Crowder meanwhile mentions a number of places he potentially could be going. Getting Groceries, the gym, going to his parents, going to see friends. That's a total of 5 possible Ubers to get round all those places or lets say a couple can be walked between so maybe 3-4 Ubers minimum. In terms of simple logic and logistics it makes more sense for Crowder to not be the one taking the Uber due to having to go round multiple locations.
And you see nothing wrong with how he immediately starts using an exaggerated, condescending tone of voice, telling her she needs "discipline and respect", because she didn't give a specific time for a minor chore?
You've tried (unsuccessfully) to invoke the Alec Holowka situation at least twice before on this forum, and each time its pointed out to you that there's a lot more context from his colleagues about his problematic behaviour.
....so you think he was actually planning to do all five of those things? Even though he really obviously just chucked them out there as things he *might* want to do, and he wanted his vague non-plans to outweigh his wife's actual plan.
And she's heavily pregnant. And he speaks to her in a pointlessly aggressive, condescending way from the very start.
Well the video seems to suggest the main chore Crowder is objecting to is walking the dog and giving said dog some medicine.
If some-one said to me "I want to use your car to go somewhere I won't tell you, I'll be back and some time but can't tell you when and I'm going to leave you to handle something that was agreed I'd handle and just seemingly expect you to be ok when I know you have plans" I'd be a bit annoyed too. Thus in this context it would be more self discipline (Time management and planning) and respect for other peoples time and plans. So yeh discipline and respect.
And each time I point out from other colleagues and friends the leaked messages and other stuff showing he wasn't abusive at all.
Who knows he did say in an exaggerated tone that he'd planned his time down to the second.
Also she's pregnant - so?
On a Biological level if I wanted to argue he was bad then I could argue stress and other things however and the whole fight for equality again it's been argued that people shouldn't be treating women like china dolls but how you'd treat them normally in said situations.
So, you've just added a bunch of additional guff that's not applicable to the situation, in order to try to paint her as unreasonable for wanting to use the family car for a short while.
I genuinely hope you don't treat partners with this complete lack of basic human decency.
Not sure how you expect those messages to disprove the testimony from his coworkers. None of the messages indicate the content of the statements isn't true. They just show there wasn't abuse... /in those messages/.
Ah yes, because the "fight for equality" always meant that we should ignore the physical pressures of pregnancy, and refuse to provide even basic assistance. Make 'em walk!
Bast almighty, the bitter resentment towards womankind just shines out of rants like these.
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I think the basic problem is that you somehow seem to have missed about two and half minutes of non-stop red flags.
People who respect their wives do not issue them a non-stop stream of demands for their obedience. She's required to "listen to [him], day in and day out" to be a "wife worthy", and he berates her for lacking "discipline", "respect", "commitment", or "love" because she is not obeying him. This isn't just an argument, a screaming match: he's not out of control. He is saying that stuff very deliberately.
You can make the argument that there is a lot of wider context that we don't have - this is one tiny snapshot of a disintegrating relationship, and who knows what else has gone on. But even still, there should not be any difficulty condemning his attitude in that video.
Except apparently for you. So you are either blind to abusive, controlling behaviour, or even worse you agree with that view of women. And like I said, given the last few years of your misogyny, I am deeply concerned it's the latter.
I didn't have to add additional guff. It's literally there in the video.
I mean you added far more than me claiming this was about control because he wanted to know when she'd be back when the video makes pretty clear it's only in relation to getting the car back.
Also he's being a bit of a jackass but I don't see it as hugely crossing some line in regards to human decency and before I get the, "Oh buy you can't just say that to people" well I had it said to me and I don't hold it against the person ultimately as it is how they felt at the time and sometimes honesty is more important and as we can see with Crowder the "I don't love you anymore" has manifested into a divorce so it wasn't just some mean attempt to hurt some-one seemingly.
EXCLUSIVE: Alec Holowka’s private messages reveal Zoe Quinn’s abuse
Speaking to The Post Millennial anonymously due to fears of backlash, a fellow developer of Holowka’s has provided dozens of messages exchanged in 2014
thepostmillennial.com
EXCLUSIVE: Zoe Quinn’s allegations are falling apart
Recently unearthed tweets provided to The Post Millennial reveal inconsistencies in Zoe Quinn’s allegations against Alec Holowka.
thepostmillennial.com
Allegations that led to Alec Holowka’s suicide need proper scrutiny
Tragically, Alec Holowka, a prominent indie video game developer, committed suicide on August 31, 2019, on a few days after being accused on social media of historic physical and emotional abuse.
thepostmillennial.com
But totally fine for them to work fairly stressful jobs and be expected to do those as normal seemingly?
Seems like to some sexist people equality still looks like oppression lol
So everyone here into the full on unconditional love thing?
really?
If this was a wife doing this to a "Deadbeat" husband then people would likely be cheering this shit on lol.
Relationships generally require more than wishes and pixie dust to work.
Lets put out a somewhat extreme hypothetical. Your significant other develops a drug problem, you wouldn't just go "Sure it's fine you stay here high as hell each day and do nothing and I'll earn the rent and food money and you just use whatever of our money you need for drugs" no there would generally be some kind of demands relating to the relationship continuing and a way forward.
His approach to it maybe, his attitude? Nah, I thought we were in the age of actually expressing feelings not suppressing things even if they're bitter and unpleasant pills for people to swallow sometimes.
I'm actually concerned with how you think this is some grand level of abuse going on and not relationship issues with a couple who don't seem to be able to work it out to work together. That's what relationships are a partnership or supposed to be. The old view of the patriarch in charge of all the running of the household and ultimately responsible for everything I thought was an old sexist view being left in the past but apparently not going with it is now misogyny because I dunno you want nothing from your partner beyond sex and as long as that's there nothing else matters to you.
Except for a fuckton of people insist there must also be a power imbalance for it to be properly considered real 'Racism' otherwise it's just sparkling racial prejudice.
Don't ask me, though, I'm old enough to remember when only people from North-Western Europe were considered 'white'.
Yeah, I am definitely worried for the women you interact with.
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It's a word, used in society. So it does not have a univocal meaning, it's a tool to convey what a person intends to mean.
Some people use "racism" as "racialism". The mere belief that mankind is split into different "races". Some argue that all these races are equals (when you dig, it falls apart, all racialist worldviews end up implying inequalities), and those do not "mean" to hierarchize races, so... they'd say they are racist (believe in races) without being racist (they claim, and believe, to not be prejudiced). For instance, you could have people campaigning for "black people" rights while yet considering them distinct from "white people". At least in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries.
On the opposite end of the usage spectrum, there are those who claim or denounce "racism against" stuff that have nothing to do with biology. It's generally another word for culturalism, and it's quite valid as, functionally, it operates the very same way (culture is essentialized and is claimed to be as deterministic as if it was biological). It's the very structure and logic of racism, against different categories. In that sense, you can describe and qualify homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia or even sexism as "racisms". And even for the user, the distinction isn't always clear: antisemitism is often explicitly racialized, and islamiphobia often targets people whose skin color "looks muslim".
And traditional racism doesn't need the "inferior races" to be physically different. Racists can hunt for genotypes and check family trees to denounce the hidden Jews (which, sneakily, don't "look like" jews), or the secret tutsi (if it was truly phenotypical, the genocidal hutu power wouldn't have required to distribute lists of tutsis - lists that, by the way, also included people who were defined as tutsi simply for being sympathisers of the minority or notoriously lukewarm about the genocide), beyond appearances. And xenophobia happens often between physically similar people, which doesn't prevent it to be racialized (racism versus Italians, Portuguese, etc).
And yes, some people define racism as an institution (a systemic violence against a minority), others mean it as the mere "othering" of human groups, or prejudices, etc.
Imposing a meaning is pointless. The only thing that matters is to agree for a (temporary, contextual) meaning within one conversation, just to ensure that all participants understand each others.
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Demanding a specific time because his day is planned "to the second", and then getting immediately snippy when she doesn't know precisely.
Completely missing the fact that he throws that line out in a petulant, fuck-you tone of voice, directly in response to her saying she still loves him.
None of which address the details provided by his coworkers.EXCLUSIVE: Alec Holowka’s private messages reveal Zoe Quinn’s abuse
Speaking to The Post Millennial anonymously due to fears of backlash, a fellow developer of Holowka’s has provided dozens of messages exchanged in 2014
EXCLUSIVE: Zoe Quinn’s allegations are falling apart
Recently unearthed tweets provided to The Post Millennial reveal inconsistencies in Zoe Quinn’s allegations against Alec Holowka.
Allegations that led to Alec Holowka’s suicide need proper scrutiny
Tragically, Alec Holowka, a prominent indie video game developer, committed suicide on August 31, 2019, on a few days after being accused on social media of historic physical and emotional abuse.
....? Who's stopping him doing his job? Was his wife making him do it?
Seems like you have a hostility and bitterness towards women.