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I thought there was a thread on Biden's debt cancellation, but it's so far back that I can't find it, if it existed, so to the megathread!


The conservative challenge to Biden's flimsy student debt cancellation is as real as George Santos. The group that's "complaining" didn't complain, wouldn't have standing to complain, isn't hurt by the cancellation (in fact helped by it), and can't even legally complain by contract.
 
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"New" creepy comments? He's been saying this shit on air for years, he got paid fucking millions to be this disgusting and racist. This feels like Fox trying to spin this as 'Oh my god, we didn't know he was this awful. Good thing we got rid of him and we're a decent news station again, huh?'
 
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"New" creepy comments? He's been saying this shit on air for years, he got paid fucking millions to be this disgusting and racist. This feels like Fox trying to spin this as 'Oh my god, we didn't know he was this awful. Good thing we got rid of him and were a decent news station again, huh?'
This allows their public to go "Oh my god, we didn't know he was this awful. Good thing they got rid of him and we're decent viewers again, huh?"
 
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This allows their public to go "Oh my god, we didn't know he was this awful. Good thing they got rid of him and we're decent viewers again, huh?"
I highly doubt their public gives a shit about optics - they completely live in a bubble and will believe whatever Fox (and recently Tucker Carlson) tells them to believe (other than the actual election results, I guess). When it comes to the republican party as it currently is and the people who support them they're beyond the pale and flaunting it to boot. The strategy of every conservative politician to grab the headlines IS to be even more of a disgusting bigot then the last guy, so appearing decent is really not on their agenda at all.

This just looks like Fox playing at cleaning house as a sign of good faith for their next court case.
 
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I highly doubt their public gives a shit about optics - they completely live in a bubble and will believe whatever Fox (and recently Tucker Carlson) tells them to believe (other than the actual election results, I guess). When it comes to the republican party as it currently is and the people who support them they're beyond the pale and flaunting it to boot. The strategy of every conservative politician to grab the headlines IS to be even more of a disgusting bigot then the last guy, so appearing decent is really not on their agenda at all.
Perhaps, but then the GOP defenders on this forum like to downplay, dismiss or obfuscate their wrongdoings, so maybe a veneer of plausible deniability is worthwhile.
 
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This just looks like Fox playing at cleaning house as a sign of good faith for their next court case.
I'm sure that's an element: I seriously doubt that Carlson only started sending texts insulting his co-workers in the last year, and that Fox only just noticed.

Although it's not just expensive lawsuits, there is also the possibility that Murdoch and other Fox shareholders have decided that they have been feeding a right-wing monster that might turn round and bite them. One might also note the remaining Koch brother seems to be regretting some of what his money has fostered.

These guys were happy to support crazy, right-wing populism and extremism as long as it propped up the right wing vote, but they did so on the assumption that the traditional, sober, fiscal conservative, free trade types friendly to business would continue to dominate the party. With Trump, they belatedly realised that the lunatics were taking over the asylum, and now they have to work out how to sedate the populists and get them back in their cells (whilst keeping their votes).
 
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Perhaps, but then the GOP defenders on this forum like to downplay, dismiss or obfuscate their wrongdoings, so maybe a veneer of plausible deniability is worthwhile.
That veneer gets applied regardless by these individuals, even when full blown facism is staring us in the face. 'There's no actual anti-trans legislature. *wink wink nudge nudge*' And the veneer generally consists of 'yeah, but the democrates' and that's the least transparent one. Most are 'gays are unnatural, autism gets exploited by the trans community, this one leftist said a thing once', or just 'it's evil cuz god says so'.
I'm sure that's an element: I seriously doubt that Carlson only started sending texts insulting his co-workers in the last year, and that Fox only just noticed.

Although it's not just expensive lawsuits, there is also the possibility that Murdoch and other Fox shareholders have decided that they have been feeding a right-wing monster that might turn round and bite them. One might also note the remaining Koch brother seems to be regretting some of what his money has fostered.

These guys were happy to support crazy, right-wing populism and extremism as long as it propped up the right wing vote, but they did so on the assumption that the traditional, sober, fiscal conservative, free trade types friendly to business would continue to dominate the party. With Trump, they belatedly realised that the lunatics were taking over the asylum, and now they have to work out how to sedate the populists and get them back in their cells (whilst keeping their votes).
Internally, I'm sure. But the whole thing with Tucker Carlson feels like them going 'we here at Fox are appalled by Mr. Carlson's text messages etc'. If it was mainly them wanting to put a temporary halt to the right-wing lunacy, they could've just told Carlson to zip it regarding the election "fraud".

But the monster they created is unstoppable for them now. The reason they're in the hot water they're in now is because they felt forced to appease this monster with letting their hosts imply election fraud, or see their stock fall. Letting Carlson go was likely a huge blow to their bottom line, but keeping him on might've actually put them in some real big legal problems. That or Rupert Murdoch was pissed enough and felt the need to show who's boss and just fired Carlson to set an example to the others.
 
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I'm sure that's an element: I seriously doubt that Carlson only started sending texts insulting his co-workers in the last year, and that Fox only just noticed.

Although it's not just expensive lawsuits, there is also the possibility that Murdoch and other Fox shareholders have decided that they have been feeding a right-wing monster that might turn round and bite them. One might also note the remaining Koch brother seems to be regretting some of what his money has fostered.

These guys were happy to support crazy, right-wing populism and extremism as long as it propped up the right wing vote, but they did so on the assumption that the traditional, sober, fiscal conservative, free trade types friendly to business would continue to dominate the party. With Trump, they belatedly realised that the lunatics were taking over the asylum, and now they have to work out how to sedate the populists and get them back in their cells (whilst keeping their votes).
I doubt it. What do Murdoch or Koch have to fear, honestly? Trump needs them more than they need him and both sides are aware of it.

The nationalist/socially reactionary right wouldn't exist to any meaningful extent without the funding of the capitalist right. You can go back to all the way to Nazi Germany, there's a reason Hitler, who was perfectly willing to drop any socialist influences from National Socialism, rather than the Strasser's, who were actually opposed to private enterprise, came to be its leader.

Fascism and its various derivates tend to support a collaboration between state and industry under the banner of "national interest" i.e. a mutually beneficial arrangement, rather than antagonism between the two.

Trump made quite clear during his presidency that he was a representative of the oligarchiy and its interests first and of nationalist and reactionary values second. Trump was, first and foremost, a rabid attack dog the capitalist elite could let loose on the common folks. His presidency saw a new level of persecution against leftists, anti fascists, civil rights activists, environmentalists, capitalism skeptics, social liberals, minorities and other groups opposed to or critical of the present order.

Even at the height of his popularity he was never in a position where he could realistically bite the hand that feeds him and get away with it. He did exactly was his corporate donors wanted him to.
 

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Wow, you guys are actually talking about this? The entire sphere of conservative media is laughing at this. It's essentially a behind the scenes blooper reel of Carlson making jokes.
Well, this thread is called "funny events of the anti-woke world".
 

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But the monster they created is unstoppable for them now. The reason they're in the hot water they're in now is because they felt forced to appease this monster with letting their hosts imply election fraud, or see their stock fall. Letting Carlson go was likely a huge blow to their bottom line, but keeping him on might've actually put them in some real big legal problems. That or Rupert Murdoch was pissed enough and felt the need to show who's boss and just fired Carlson to set an example to the others.
I was going to argue with you that I think sacking Carlson doesn't save them a penny in legal fees because they're already on the hook, but then I reconsidered. Cleaning house might make them more sympathetic at a potential later trial (Smartmatic?), and so if they shift the odds at a trial, it may mean a lower settlement.

However, I'm still inclined to think they got rid of Carlson for other reasons. I don't think public image is an issue, because Fox viewers clearly couldn't give a shit. Potentially, of course, it's that he's insulted someone high up who took it badly - in much the same way that a soldier might murder POWs and civilians with everyone turning a blind eye, but he'd sure as shit better not give any lip to his CO.

Whether or not the monster is unstoppable in truth, they are the sort of people who believe that they can control what people think, and so they will try.

I doubt it. What do Murdoch or Koch have to fear, honestly? Trump needs them more than they need him and both sides are aware of it.
Yes and no.

Trump was friendly to the rich (i.e. himself), business he was much more mixed.

For instance, Trump is extremely vindictive. Companies that offended Trump (often Big Tech) were threatened with hostile rhetoric, legal change and government investigation. He could just let rip at a corporation and shave several percent off its market value: even if the effect were transient, it's bad press and unsettling. Fox / Murdoch may be particularly vulnerable as Trump could push viewers towards competitors such as Newsmax.

Next, we can look at Trump's trade wars and general MAGA rhetoric of restoring US industrial production. Trump was, with significant popularity, peddling economic protectionism, which would result in less trade and business opportunities. This is not the libertarian, free trade future the likes of Koch and many billionaires envisaged and paid for.
 

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Transphobic woman sees self in mirror, declares she will never be a woman
Tbf, those spindly face-hugger claws are setting off instinctual fight-or-flight alien threat responses already 👀
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Garuntee my brain wormed family have already consumed this new bullshit to further strengthen their delusion.



Ugh, all the comments are fucked there. Shouldn't have looked.
 
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So, there is a bill getting ready to go into action that will allow the secretary of state to throw out the results of an election if there is "good cause" to believe that at least 2% of the polling places ran out of ballot paper during voting hours.

The cutoff for the size of the counties affected by this bill is 2.7 million voters. Incidentally, there is only one county in Texas with a population over 2.7 million. Harris County, which is turning more blue with each election, and the last election cycle was sued by the Republican Party over accusations of administrative mismanagement.