Funny events in anti-woke world

Chimpzy

Simian Abomination
Legacy
Escapist +
Apr 3, 2020
13,005
9,547
118
Because Americans can do one thing, and that's their job. They do them very well on average and are way more productive in hours worked, and for a nation of our size, our productivity. In that they are number one.
They're not. There are five countries with a higher GDP per capita.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

tstorm823

Elite Member
Legacy
Aug 4, 2011
7,269
970
118
Country
USA
They're not. There are five countries with a higher GDP per capita.
Those 5 countries are:
1) Luxemburg (Tax Haven)
2) Switzerland (Tax Haven)
3) Ireland (Tax Haven)
4) Norway (Oil)
5) Singapore (Trade middlemen)

Have you considered the possibility that high GDP per capita might not be a serious measurement for personal productivity?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gergar12

Phoenixmgs

The Muse of Fate
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
9,746
833
118
w/ M'Kraan Crystal
Gender
Male
You literally asked me to provide a source. Now you're whining that I did what you asked.



Hmm, yet it's less than... income tax, for example. Why do we expect wealth accrued through share price rises-- which requires no effort or work-- to be taxed at a lower rate than wages?
Yeah, because it was just you saying something about taxes and that's all you had. You think I'm going to take your opinion on taxes by you simply just claiming you're right?

If Person_A has to spend 25% on unrealized gains and Person_B doesn't; Person_B has quite the advantage in investing. I don't have problem with fixing the stock market, taxing unrealized gains is not how you do that.
 

Bedinsis

Elite Member
Legacy
Escapist +
May 29, 2014
1,679
849
118
Country
Sweden
Those 5 countries are:
1) Luxemburg (Tax Haven)
2) Switzerland (Tax Haven)
3) Ireland (Tax Haven)
4) Norway (Oil)
5) Singapore (Trade middlemen)
There's a whole Wikipedia article about how the United States also can be considered a tax haven. To what extent that is true compared to the other countries is obviously subject to discussion.
Have you considered the possibility that high GDP per capita might not be a serious measurement for personal productivity?
I have. Along with Rutger Bregman's assertion that GDP in general is not that useful a measurement. If you (or @Gergar12 since he brought the subject up) have a better suggestion of what to use I am all ears.
 

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,258
6,463
118
Country
United Kingdom
Yeah, because it was just you saying something about taxes and that's all you had. You think I'm going to take your opinion on taxes by you simply just claiming you're right?
Dude, I don't give a shit. But if you ask me to do something, you cannot then moan about the fact I did it.

You. Asked.

If Person_A has to spend 25% on unrealized gains and Person_B doesn't; Person_B has quite the advantage in investing. I don't have problem with fixing the stock market, taxing unrealized gains is not how you do that.
Person_A also has another advantage over 99.99% of everyone else on earth. He's a centimillionaire. Methinks that renders this disadvantage somewhat immaterial.
 

Phoenixmgs

The Muse of Fate
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
9,746
833
118
w/ M'Kraan Crystal
Gender
Male
Person_A also has another advantage over 99.99% of everyone else on earth. He's a centimillionaire. Methinks that renders this disadvantage somewhat immaterial.
I'm talking about the other 0.01%, I'm not talking about John, the owner of Johnny's Pizza. Why would you prefer non-American citizens to have an advantage?
 

TheMysteriousGX

Elite Member
Legacy
Sep 16, 2014
8,507
7,086
118
Country
United States
I'm talking about the other 0.01%, I'm not talking about John, the owner of Johnny's Pizza. Why would you prefer non-American citizens to have an advantage?
Did you know that nonresident aliens still have to pay US taxes on US income? Seems like a solution
 

Gergar12

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 24, 2020
4,030
887
118
Country
United States
There's a whole Wikipedia article about how the United States also can be considered a tax haven. To what extent that is true compared to the other countries is obviously subject to discussion.

I have. Along with Rutger Bregman's assertion that GDP in general is not that useful a measurement. If you (or @Gergar12 since he brought the subject up) have a better suggestion of what to use I am all ears.
Aggregate power per capita in theory. But no, there is no perfect measure, but I specifically stated small states don't count. Because if your a small state that can speak English and is located in a good area, you can make a bank doing very little.

As for productivity, here it is:

 
  • Like
Reactions: Bedinsis

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,258
6,463
118
Country
United Kingdom
I'm talking about the other 0.01%, I'm not talking about John, the owner of Johnny's Pizza. Why would you prefer non-American citizens to have an advantage?
You're deeply concerned about the advantage that a foreign 100-millionaire might have over a US-based 100-millionaire, are you? Diddums. I'm happy to tell you that both groups would still find it exceptionally easy and lucrative to invest.

Besides which, as MysteriousGX says, nonresidents still pay US tax on US income.
 

XsjadoBlayde

~ just another dread messenger ~
Apr 29, 2020
3,455
3,586
118
It's acutely stark just how devoid of tangible substance J.Peterson is when he has to debate people who've put the work in to build their expertise and higher respect/dependency of facts. He comes off like an emotional child lashing out cos noone liked his basic doodles: even with revealing outbursts like "how can you not see the brilliance?!?!" (Referring to his dumbass shallow attempts to bolt reactionary rightwing dreamology onto pop culture icons like SEO-guided radicalisation homing pigeons)

In this special episode, we return to the forboding Dragon's Den of the Peterson-verse and enjoy a rather punchy conversation between Jordan Peterson and Richard Dawkins, facilitated by Alex O'Connor.

As always, the discussion is dense with abstract symbolic interpretations, evasive answers to direct questions about biblical events, and highly speculative claims. So Matt and Chris don their best decoding armour, steel their resolve, and prepare to face down endless waves of indulgent analogies and the constant conflation of mythological and scientific truths.

Important insights from Matt on American public toilets, shower technology, and stories of Chris' previous life as a coal-shovelling street urchin are also included.

Links

(Paraphrased from memory)
JP: "b b b b but didn't you say that time you were a cultural Christian? You said! What did you mean by that?"

RD: "Almost nothing. Only the environment in which I was raised in. I don't value it as a truth system."

JP: "Well, ok, maybe you don't...but also, like, maybe you do?"

...

JP: "Have I told you about the dragons?? I bet YOU haven't taken down a dragon have you?!"

🤌

Put him out to pasture. Same field as Biden. Away from the rest of us
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,258
6,463
118
Country
United Kingdom
Foreign investors aren't required to be nonresident aliens or subject to US taxes.
So to be clear: you're talking about a scenario in which the investor lives abroad and the investor's home country doesn't levy an unrealised gains tax. Is that right?

The US still could. Countries tax income made in their own country by those who live abroad all the time, often with Double Tax Arrangements and credit systems in place to ensure the combined total isn't excessive.
 

Phoenixmgs

The Muse of Fate
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
9,746
833
118
w/ M'Kraan Crystal
Gender
Male
So to be clear: you're talking about a scenario in which the investor lives abroad and the investor's home country doesn't levy an unrealised gains tax. Is that right?

The US still could. Countries tax income made in their own country by those who live abroad all the time, often with Double Tax Arrangements and credit systems in place to ensure the combined total isn't excessive.
I don't really care what the investor's home country does or doesn't do, the US wouldn't be getting capital gains tax revenue from them.

Nonresident aliens aren't subject to U.S. capital gains tax and no money will be withheld by the brokerage firm.
 

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,258
6,463
118
Country
United Kingdom
I don't really care what the investor's home country does or doesn't do, the US wouldn't be getting capital gains tax revenue from them.

Nonresident aliens aren't subject to U.S. capital gains tax and no money will be withheld by the brokerage firm.
Uhrm right, but we're talking about unrealised gains tax. Are you agreeing with me that there's nothing stopping the US collecting it from nonresidents, then?
 

Gergar12

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 24, 2020
4,030
887
118
Country
United States

That's no Asian male. That's a non-race coward. He didn't even press charges, let alone fight back. Yeah, boy, keep your head down, boy. Good boy. Now go back to your cubicle... boy.

Also once a fucking again.

Muh Sports Ball.

1732665314349.png

Fuck if I were that girl, I would hit him again.