School shooting at Texas Elementary school, several children reported dead

[Kwak]

Oh, he's one of those people.

Mentally ill already can't buy guns.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/mental-health-gun-possession-explainer/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/us/colorado-firearms-mental-health-trnd/index.html

But, they can?

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Colorado is one of four states, along with Indiana, Kentucky and New Hampshire, that rely on the federal umbrella firearm law and don’t have a specific state law banning firearm possession by people with a mental illness, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

For federal law to be effective, states have to be compliant and transparent, said Vince, who teaches criminal justice at Mount St. Mary’s University in Emmitsburg, Maryland.

Discrepancies between federal and state law can create legal loopholes, he said.

For example, the gunman who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech in 2007 had been declared mentally ill by a court and ordered to undergo mental health treatment. Under federal law, that should have disqualified him from owning a gun.

But he was able to buy a gun because his treatment was outpatient, and at the time, Virginia state law only disqualified a person if they had been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital. As a result, Virginia never reported him, and he was not flagged in a background check.

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In a speech to the nation Thursday morning, President Donald Trump promised to “tackle the difficult issue of mental health.” But so far, his administration has only loosened federal gun laws related to the issue.

Early into his first year in the White House, Trump signed a measure that got rid of a regulation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of people who were either receiving full disability benefits because of mental illness and couldn’t work or people who were unable to manage their own Social Security benefits and needed the help of third parties.

Using the Congressional Review Act, Republican majorities in the House and Senate voted to revoke the rule that former President Barack Obama issued as part of a series of efforts to curb gun violence after similar measures failed to pass through Congress.

Trump signed the bill in private, without his typical public signing ceremony meant to draw attention and fanfare.

He also rolled back an attempt by the Obama administration to clarify and broaden the statutory definitions of the terms that disable individuals who had been committed to mental institutions or adjudicated as mentally incompetent from buying guns.

 

[Absent]

In a speech to the nation Thursday morning, President Donald Trump promised to “tackle the difficult issue of mental health.” But so far, his administration has only loosened federal gun laws related to the issue.

He meant his.

 

[Cicada 5]

A 22-Year-Old Texas Man Fatally Shot His Partner for Traveling to Get an Abortion

Harold Thompson choked and then murdered his partner, Gabriella Gonzalez, in a parking lot in Dallas the day she returned from having an abortion in Colorado.

jezebel.com

 

[Drathnoxis]

Not according to this elected politician.
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The U.S. congressman who represents Allen is facing criticism after denouncing people who say more than prayer is needed to combat gun violence.

In an interview Saturday with CNN, Rep. Keith Self responded to a question about people who say prayer has not prevented mass shootings.


“Those are people that don’t believe in an almighty God who is absolutely in control of our lives,” the
Republican lawmaker told CNN’s Paula Reid. “I’m a Christian. I believe that he is.”

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Literally says there's nothing anyone but an imaginary god can do about it.


"Politics isn't the solution to the problem anyway."

Legislating that demonstrably mentally ill people who express violent sentiments and glorify murder cannot legally purchase assualt rifles is definitely a solution to the problem. Politicians can do that, that's their job, to make laws that represent the values of their communities they represent.
Of course politics is the solution, jesus.

God is making unhinged gunmen shoot random children in response to the sin running rampant in our society, such as gunmen shooting random children. The only solution is more prayer.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

But, they can?

....
Colorado is one of four states, along with Indiana, Kentucky and New Hampshire, that rely on the federal umbrella firearm law and don’t have a specific state law banning firearm possession by people with a mental illness, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

For federal law to be effective, states have to be compliant and transparent, said Vince, who teaches criminal justice at Mount St. Mary’s University in Emmitsburg, Maryland.

Discrepancies between federal and state law can create legal loopholes, he said.

For example, the gunman who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech in 2007 had been declared mentally ill by a court and ordered to undergo mental health treatment. Under federal law, that should have disqualified him from owning a gun.

But he was able to buy a gun because his treatment was outpatient, and at the time, Virginia state law only disqualified a person if they had been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital. As a result, Virginia never reported him, and he was not flagged in a background check.

...


In a speech to the nation Thursday morning, President Donald Trump promised to “tackle the difficult issue of mental health.” But so far, his administration has only loosened federal gun laws related to the issue.

Early into his first year in the White House, Trump signed a measure that got rid of a regulation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of people who were either receiving full disability benefits because of mental illness and couldn’t work or people who were unable to manage their own Social Security benefits and needed the help of third parties.

Using the Congressional Review Act, Republican majorities in the House and Senate voted to revoke the rule that former President Barack Obama issued as part of a series of efforts to curb gun violence after similar measures failed to pass through Congress.

Trump signed the bill in private, without his typical public signing ceremony meant to draw attention and fanfare.

He also rolled back an attempt by the Obama administration to clarify and broaden the statutory definitions of the terms that disable individuals who had been committed to mental institutions or adjudicated as mentally incompetent from buying guns.

But in 92% of the states, mentally ill can't buy guns in general yet you said they just shouldn't be able to buy ARs.

Also, you missed the fact that mentally ill are responsible for less than 1% of all gun-related homicides.

You can't legislate your way to gun safety.

 

[Trunkage]

You can't legislate your way to gun safety.

As an Australian, I strongly disagree

 

[Absent]

You can't legislate your way to gun safety.

You can, absolutely, largely, very practically. You just don't want, because, culturally, being deprived of your guns would amount to castration.

But also : even cultural values do get altered by legislative decisions. They both reflect and define norms and values. You won't erase racism by allowing black people to sit in the bus, but you still change representations because you cease to validate racism. You don't erase homophobia by allowing gay marriage, but you still send a strong signal about homosexuality's acceptability. The implicit of legality is morality. And its explicit is norms endorsement and officialization. Laws send strong messages on what is okay, or precious, or sacred, or valuable, or problematic. And right now, your laws define guns as the most sacred items. In particular, stand-your-ground laws define murder as a socially, legally, morally sanctionned response to discomfort. There's a strong symbiosis between your laws and your romantic gun culture.

 

[Buyetyen]

You can't legislate your way to gun safety.

So why is the USA the only developed country with this epidemic of gun violence? And if legislation isn't a solution, what would you propose if anything?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

As an Australian, I strongly disagree

The US can't do what Australia did legislation-wise because of the 2nd amendment...

You can, absolutely, largely, very practically. You just don't want, because, culturally, being deprived of your guns would amount to castration.

But also : even cultural values do get altered by legislative decisions. They both reflect and define norms and values. You won't erase racism by allowing black people to sit in the bus, but you still change representations because you cease to validate racism. You don't erase homophobia by allowing gay marriage, but you still send a strong signal about homosexuality's acceptability. The implicit of legality is morality. And its explicit is norms endorsement and officialization. Laws send strong messages on what is okay, or precious, or sacred, or valuable, or problematic. And right now, your laws define guns as the most sacred items. In particular, stand-your-ground laws define murder as a socially, legally, morally sanctionned response to discomfort. There's a strong symbiosis between your laws and your romantic gun culture.

So why is the USA the only developed country with this epidemic of gun violence? And if legislation isn't a solution, what would you propose if anything?

I'm overall pretty indifferent on guns, I couldn't care less about owning one but I'd go shooting if a friend invited me. I could've went shooting earlier this year with friends but it was really early on a Saturday and it was cold so I didn't go.

There's countries like Norway with lots of guns and low gun crime, it's a cultural issue. And no amount of legislating in the US is gonna be able to do much about gun violence unless you're looking to revoke the 2nd amendment or severely limit it. Legislating to help fix things that contribute/cause crime will have far more affect than gun control legislation.

 

[Buyetyen]

Legislating to help fix things that contribute/cause crime will have far more affect than gun control legislation.

Unless you have some suggestions, this is pretty hollow.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Unless you have some suggestions, this is pretty hollow.

I'm for most social safety nets so... You can copy paste just about any policy from Sweden/Norway/Denmark/etc and I'd be good with it. I always say you guys have keep your eye on the actual prizes and stop getting distracted by shit that does nothing, does very very little, or makes things worse. And this gun control legislation fits into one of those categories.

 

[Buyetyen]

And this gun control legislation fits into one of those categories.

You have asserted this, but not proven it. Par for the course. Can you actually demonstrate why things like universal background checks, red flag laws, and closing the gun show loophole would be ineffective?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

The US can't do what Australia did legislation-wise because of the 2nd amendment...

The current 2nd amendment interpretation of Unlimited Guns for Civilians is a distinctly modern interpretation

 

[Trunkage]

The US can't do what Australia did legislation-wise because of the 2nd amendment...

Can you buy explosives in the US like you can a rifle? Because you used to be able to... until legislation happened. See, explosives are covered under the 2nd amendment too. But they regulated them anyway in the 1920s.

The current interpretation of the second amendment is incredibly new and vastly different from how it was written and used for over 200 years. Someone literally rewrote history to fit the NRA agenda. It was very easy to make restrictions for explosives just as it USED to be easy to make restrictions for guns.

The problem isnt legislation. It's the propaganda

Edit: Also logistics is a problem... but a far future one

 

[CM156]

See, explosives are covered under the 2nd amendment too

Can you cite any caselaw that suggests this?

 

[Thaluikhain]

One will also note that the registration for transferable machine guns ended in 1986 in the US, and there's a lot of mucking about to purchase one that was registered before that.

 

[SilentPony]

So to everyone's total shock and surprise, turns out Alex Jones is refusing to pay the judgement money to the Sandy Hook families. He's apparently hidden his wealth with friends and shell companies.
No one saw this coming. No one at all. Whatsoever. Total surprise.

Sandy Hook families seek to reverse payments Alex Jones made to wife

The families of Sandy Hook shooting victims said they had a strong case to reverse payments received by Alex Jones' wife and others in his family to help satisfy $1.5 billion in judgments they won against the bankrupt right wing conspiracy theorist over his lies about the 2012 elementary school...

www.reuters.com

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

So to everyone's total shock and surprise, turns out Alex Jones is refusing to pay the judgement money to the Sandy Hook families. He's apparently hidden his wealth with friends and shell companies.
No one saw this coming. No one at all. Whatsoever. Total surprise.

Sandy Hook families seek to reverse payments Alex Jones made to wife

The families of Sandy Hook shooting victims said they had a strong case to reverse payments received by Alex Jones' wife and others in his family to help satisfy $1.5 billion in judgments they won against the bankrupt right wing conspiracy theorist over his lies about the 2012 elementary school...

www.reuters.com

Only a matter of time before he proclaims that he's the victim in all of this.

 

[SilentPony]

Only a matter of time before he proclaims that he's the victim in all of this.

Oh he was already doing that during the trial. The judge actually had to step in and tell him to fuck off, because he'd be in the courthouse during the day, and at night he'd rant on his show about how the Judge is evil, she's a daemonic goblin, his rights are be crushed, and buy these survival seeds to help out. Dude made tens of millions during the trial.

 

[Trunkage]

Can you cite any caselaw that suggests this?

As far as I understand, the law National Firearms Act restricts automatic weapons, 50 cals and explosives

It notes that the second amendment means you can get access to weapons but restrictions need to be applied