I'm not 100% sure medieval crusaders are the best model for the modern world, although one can certainly argue that they knocked that particular heresy on the head.Incarcerare eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
I'm not 100% sure medieval crusaders are the best model for the modern world, although one can certainly argue that they knocked that particular heresy on the head.Incarcerare eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
Look, we may not agree with their methods, but we can't argue with their results.I'm not 100% sure medieval crusaders are the best model for the modern world, although one can certainly argue that they knocked that particular heresy on the head.
And what is your solution to the Mexican people being forced to watch their children being targeted for recruitment murder and extortion, activists dying, Mexican military with fighting with a hand behind it’s back. This just happens to be the most effective method that has worked in a country near it.So, you want arbitrary mass arrest/detention without charge and the removal of the presumption of innocence from the people, and you're complaining that the media are reporting that the authorities have tortured and murdered people who were never found guilty.
In essence, you want despotism.
One doesn't need to have their own proven solution in order to point out other proposed solutions are grotesque and barbaric.And what is your solution to the Mexican people being forced to watch their children being targeted for recruitment murder and extortion, activists dying, Mexican military with fighting with a hand behind it’s back. This just happens to be the most effective method that has worked in a country near it.
They likely had gang tattoos. Don't get gang tattoos.One doesn't need to have their own proven solution in order to point out other proposed solutions are grotesque and barbaric.
Up to 132 people with no criminal conviction have been murdered by the authorities or died in arbitrary detention. That is more than died in the spate of gang violence that prompted the El Salvadoran state to undertake this in the first place. Do you consider their deaths to be acceptable? Do you consider the media to be in the wrong for reporting that innocent people have been put to death?
Killing off people because of what's inked on them brings all sorts of terrible things to mind.They likely had gang tattoos. Don't get gang tattoos.
Gonna answer the question or nah?They likely had gang tattoos. Don't get gang tattoos.
It worked.Killing off people because of what's inked on them brings all sorts of terrible things to mind.
The problem isn't just the murders. It relates to broken windows theory. They ruin everything. They consume economic growth, jobs, tourism, and quality of life, and everyone has to live in fear of being kidnapped, forced to join, or raped if they are women or even girls. The only country in Latin America worse than El Salvador was Honduras pre-2019 in terms of crime.Gonna answer the question or nah?
Are you going to answer the question?The problem isn't just the murders. It relates to broken windows theory. They ruin everything. They consume economic growth, jobs, tourism, and quality of life, and everyone has to live in fear of being kidnapped, forced to join, or raped if they are women or even girls. The only country in Latin America worse than El Salvador was Honduras pre-2019 in terms of crime.
Americans like to complain about immigration, but millions can't make the trek to the US, and Canada, tens of thousands don't even speak Spanish let alone English.
No, I don't think the media shouldn't report it, but to say it's bad is being hyperbolic.Are you going to answer the question?
To say "the state killing off 100+ people without trial is bad" is hyperbolic?but to say it's bad is being hyperbolic.
No, it isn't.To say "the state killing off 100+ people without trial is bad" is hyperbolic?
True, but the problem is mostly the question of when exactly the situation is that dire. And that a lot of people are willing to employ such extraodinary measures far too soon because they don't really value the life of innocent bystanders or glorify easy violent macho solutions to difficult problems.Sure, we can all agree that this is a lot less than ideal, will involve dead innocents, and in the hands of an unscrupulous government an extreme risk of tyranny. But if the situation gets bad enough to constitute a reasonable case for a national emergency, I'm not sure it is completely unjustifiable.
You don't think the death of 132 people without any criminal conviction, at the hands of the state-- and the torture of many more-- is bad?No, I don't think the media shouldn't report it, but to say it's bad is being hyperbolic.
Well, precisely. This sort of reasoning is a classic way for autocratic governments to hand themselves extraordinary powers - the risk is extremely high. And potentially not just the government as it also potentially hands the military huge power, and that means whether the generals can be trusted too.True, but the problem is mostly the question of when exactly the situation is that dire. And that a lot of people are willing to employ such extraodinary measures far too soon because they don't really value the life of innocent bystanders or glorify easy violent macho solutions to difficult problems.
Sure, under certain circumstances it might (might) be the lesser evil. It doesn't mean it's not evil, though.No, it isn't.
But on the other hand, does Gergar12 have a point here?
An argument could be made that if law and order collapses to a sufficiently low point, organised crime become sufficiently powerful and the police are unable to meet the challenge, it may need to be viewed as a military problem rather than a policing one. Think of it in terms that organised crime becomes equivalent to an illegal militia or rebel force. Suppressing crime and restoring order is a military operation, with allowances for high use of force and, unfortunately, collateral damage.
Sure, we can all agree that this is a lot less than ideal, will involve dead innocents, and in the hands of an unscrupulous government an extreme risk of tyranny. But if the situation gets bad enough to constitute a reasonable case for a national emergency, I'm not sure it is completely unjustifiable.
Do you think it's sustainable?It worked.
So who was it in the early '90s that was busted advocating for a violent coup if necessary for Mexico to ratify NAFTA? Because "chase Manhattan bank" is an awful weird way of pronouncing "mexico". As it was, the US government was responsible for detonating the Mexican economy in the wake of the latin-american debt crisis to force NAFTA ratification, and proceeded to screw them economically in the wake of its ratification by undermining Mexican agricultural production.
Mexico is not a US ally, or at least a close one. They are neutral to the US. Ally my ass.
My comment refers to something at 6:50.
Edit: 9:25, let me translate to you what Mexican President AMLO stated. I would rather not lose face than kill the cartels who are destroying both Mexico and the US.
For reference invading Mexico isn't my solution, I also don't think drone strikes would help. This is my solution...
El Salvador clears way for mass trials as crackdown on gangs ramps up
Congress passes bill that could allow 900 people to be tried together if they are accused of being in the same criminal groupwww.theguardian.com
Meanwhile the woke media, and NGOs who either offer no solutions, or bad solutions in this case are like.
One year into El Salvador's state of emergency
The authorities are systematically committing human rights violations.www.amnesty.org