AMD announces first Radeon RX 7000 series gpus

[The Rogue Wolf]

Intel's been making some solid strides with their drivers, but I don't think they're quite ready for primetime yet. I have heard some good things about the 6650XT, but I don't know how well that'll handle VR; aside from that, it should handle 1080p gaming under Medium-level settings fairly well. But if you can possibly swing the 6700, I'd say go for it- I had one of those, and it was a good card for 1440p.

 

[Chimpzy]

Hm, maybe i can get a good advice here: So a few months back my GTX 1070 TI (Which i paid WAY too much money for) decided it didn't need to live as long as requested and appropriate for the price.

So i am now running on a NVIDIA 960 i took from work, but it can't really supply my Oculus Rift and i had to cut back on quality. So i am getting to the point: Would like to get me a new one - i mean i mostly play graphically undemanding games - but who knows? (And i had to reduce back Mount & Blade for example.)

Now politicly: NVIDIA are greedy assholes, AMD are shady.
Do i get myself an
AMD Radeon 6650 XT 8GB for ~250 € (Older, good price)
AMD Radeon 7600 8GB for ~270 €(Newer shit runs better - Apparently good with raytracing but underwhelming every other aspect)
An Intel Arc 770 8 GB for ~300 € (apparently not as good, but nice techniques/architecture, i can't take advantage of with my older PC but rewarding the "third option"... even if it Intel?)

Technically too expensive:
AMD Radeon 6700 12 GB for 450 € (Maybe a bit better for future? Possible for maybe upgrading my Monitor and leaving Full HD for higher resolutions sometimes?)
Nvidia 4060 8GB for 400 € (Should have more VRAM - or way less price)

Can't decide... because everything is shit. Usually i buy 2nd/3rd best after it gets price-reduced and another "generation" becomes available every 4/5 years and fit all parts together. But now i would like to have either a cheaper 6700 with "the good" V-Ram architecture and 12/16 GB RAM. Or a 4070 TI for 1/2 the price or something.

Machine is an
Intel I7 6600
on an MSI X99 Raider Motherboard
4*4 GB Ram slotted. I thinking of Filling it up to 8x4 GB
at the moment.

My greed and cynicism fight with my gaming lust... terrible

Overall: Yeah everything slows don. We have been nearing the physical limits since... 2011 or so. You can refine it. Have some nice technologies, shortcuts, maybe squeeze a nm in chips-gaps or a few watts power from somewhere, but it gets harder, slower. The corporations are clawing desperately around for profits with minimal innovations. (Do YOU KNOW YOU CAN USE "AI" with whatever we are building? Umm, +5% better "AI" and Etherium-Mining... that will be 1200 bucks, baby)

Out of the options you mentioned I'd go with the 6700xt. It's probably overall the best card for most games. And it comes with the most vram since 8gb can be a problem in newer games, even at lower res.

I'd also suggest shopping around a bit more, because you can definitely get a new 6700xt for sub 450. I don't know where you're from, but since you put your prices in euro, I'm assuming somewhere EU. For example, the German Amazon has an Asus one for €360 with free shipping. Tho you could probably find one for less. Found several secondhand ones in the €250-300 range on ebay.

 

[Summerstorm]

Out of the options you mentioned I'd go with the 6700xt. It's probably overall the best card for most games. And it comes with the most vram since 8gb can be a problem in newer games, even at lower res.

I'd also suggest shopping around a bit more, because you can definitely get a new 6700xt for sub 450. I don't know where you're from, but since you put your prices in euro, I'm assuming somewhere EU. For example, the German Amazon has an Asus one for €360 with free shipping. Tho you could probably find one for less. Found several secondhand ones in the €250-300 range on ebay.

Ah yeah, saw my error. 340-360, not 450 € for a 6700 xt . Yeah... i think that is my choice as well. have to hype myself up... maybe get drunk. I hate spending that kind of money. But well... under 400. Should be fine.

 

[EvilRoy]

Hm, maybe i can get a good advice here: So a few months back my GTX 1070 TI (Which i paid WAY too much money for) decided it didn't need to live as long as requested and appropriate for the price.

So i am now running on a NVIDIA 960 i took from work, but it can't really supply my Oculus Rift and i had to cut back on quality. So i am getting to the point: Would like to get me a new one - i mean i mostly play graphically undemanding games - but who knows? (And i had to reduce back Mount & Blade for example.)

Now politicly: NVIDIA are greedy assholes, AMD are shady.
Do i get myself an
AMD Radeon 6650 XT 8GB for ~250 € (Older, good price)
AMD Radeon 7600 8GB for ~270 €(Newer shit runs better - Apparently good with raytracing but underwhelming every other aspect)
An Intel Arc 770 8 GB for ~300 € (apparently not as good, but nice techniques/architecture, i can't take advantage of with my older PC but rewarding the "third option"... even if it is Intel?)

Technically too expensive:
AMD Radeon 6700 12 GB for 350 € (Maybe a bit better for future? Possible for maybe upgrading my Monitor and leaving Full HD for higher resolutions sometimes?)
Nvidia 4060 8GB for 400 € (Should have more VRAM - or way less price)

Can't decide... because everything is shit. Usually i buy 2nd/3rd best after it gets price-reduced and another "generation" becomes available every 4/5 years and fit all parts together. But now i would like to have either a cheaper 6700 with "the good" V-Ram architecture and 12/16 GB RAM. Or a 4070 TI for 1/2 the price or something.

Machine is an
Intel I7 6600
on an MSI X99 Raider Motherboard
4*4 GB Ram slotted. I thinking of filling it up to 8x4 GB
at the moment.

My greed and cynicism fight with my gaming lust... terrible

Overall: Yeah everything slows don. We have been nearing the physical limits since... 2011 or so. You can refine it. Have some nice technologies, shortcuts, maybe squeeze a nm in chips-gaps or a few watts power from somewhere, but it gets harder, slower. The corporations are clawing desperately around for profits with minimal innovations. (Do YOU KNOW YOU CAN USE "AI" with whatever we are building? Umm, +5% better "AI" and Etherium-Mining... that will be 1200 bucks, baby)

EDIT: Changed Price for 6700 from 450 to 350.

I'll throw out that I recently bought a 6600 non-xt and it has been running games quite well on my oculus quest 1. There isn't a huge amount of headroom but it does the job substantially better than my old 1060. On that basis I would argue that the 6700xt is your best bet for maximum headroom, but I would put the 7600 non-xt as the budget choice. VR should run well on either card but my guess would be that the next half-life Alyx tier game will push the system demands pretty hard. If you want more headroom for future max setting VR games, the 6700xt is probably the best bet, but if vr isn't your ultimate goal you could probably do the 7600 no problem.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Machine is an
Intel I7 6600
on an MSI X99 Raider Motherboard
4*4 GB Ram slotted. I thinking of filling it up to 8x4 GB
at the moment.

16 GBs of RAM is enough now unless you're running a specific game or program that needs more. No need to buy (in your case) four new sticks of RAM for an older system where the RAM may not be able to be used on your next Mobo/CPU. Also, if you do have a game/program that needs more RAM, you can do 2 slots at 8 GBs and the other 2 slots at 4GBs still and that would be 24GBs and be more than plenty.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

So the 7800XT came out...and it's not even 5% faster than the 6800XT (in terms of gaming performance), and is even sometimes beaten by the 6800XT.

What is even the point?

 

[Chimpzy]

So the 7800XT came out...and it's not even 5% faster than the 6800XT (in terms of gaming performance), and is even sometimes beaten by the 6800XT.

What is even the point?

And you can get a 6800xt for cheaper. A fair bit cheaper if you go secondhand. 7700xt is even worse value tho, anywhere from 10% to 30% worse performance than a 6800xt depending on game, while around the same price in these parts.

As for the point. I'm thinking provide a minimum viable product that people will have no choice but to buy once stock of the previous gen cards runs dry.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

And you can get a 6800xt for cheaper. A fair bit cheaper if you go secondhand. 7700xt is even worse value tho, anywhere from 10% to 30% worse performance than a 6800xt depending on game, while around the same price in these parts.

As for the point. I'm thinking provide a minimum viable product that people will have no choice but to buy once stock of the previous gen cards runs dry.

AMD and Nvidia are competing against each other and forgetting that they're also competing against their own older cards on the second hand market. Miners dumped a shitload of 3000 and 6000 series cards on the second hand market and they're a way better value.

AMD wants you to think that the 7800XT is a great value in comparison to a 4070, which it kind of is (because the 4070 is fucking terrible), but they're both a bad value against last gen's cards that largely have nearly the same performance.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

AMD wants you to think that the 7800XT is a great value in comparison to a 4070, which it kind of is (because the 4070 is fucking terrible)

Beating the 4070 in terms of value is like beating a stillborn infant at arm wrestling.

 

[Gordon_4]

AMD and Nvidia are competing against each other and forgetting that they're also competing against their own older cards on the second hand market. Miners dumped a shitload of 3000 and 6000 series cards on the second hand market and they're a way better value.

AMD wants you to think that the 7800XT is a great value in comparison to a 4070, which it kind of is (because the 4070 is fucking terrible), but they're both a bad value against last gen's cards that largely have nearly the same performance.

Except those mining cards are all, pardon the expression, wild cards. It’s impossible to truly divine their provenance, how they’ve been treated and what else was done to them (custom bios etc) for all but very truly dedicated and educated power users. Like I wouldn’t go near one for love or money.

Now certainly if you’ve had a 67/6800 card since new then this gen represents no worthwhile improvement and you may sit pretty. If however for some reason you’re still running a 5800 or 5700 and there’s no reason not to get a 7700 or 7800 card provided the price delta between them and last gen is small enough. Although if it’s $100 or more, fuck them and by the 6000 series card.

EDIT: and nowhere is this clearer than the Australian market where the price difference appears to be between $200 and $350 with the 6700XT and 7700XT. Like, that’s no choice at all since the minimal gains between them can be better applied by spending that extra money on a better CPU, RAM or SSD.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Except those mining cards are all, pardon the expression, wild cards. It’s impossible to truly divine their provenance, how they’ve been treated and what else was done to them (custom bios etc) for all but very truly dedicated and educated power users. Like I wouldn’t go near one for love or money.

Now certainly if you’ve had a 67/6800 card since new then this gen represents no worthwhile improvement and you may sit pretty. If however for some reason you’re still running a 5800 or 5700 and there’s no reason not to get a 7700 or 7800 card provided the price delta between them and last gen is small enough. Although if it’s $100 or more, fuck them and by the 6000 series card.

I've seen people do tests where they buy a dozen mining GPUs from various sellers to test them, and 9 times out of 10 they're actually totally fine.

Obviously that's not exactly the most representative sample, but generally speaking, unless the card was seriously abused a previously owned GPU that was used for mining isn't actually any worse than a pre-owned GPU that was used for gaming, and in fact it's often better.

Mining GPUs tend to be under-volted, they tend to be in open air benches rather than in cases, and they run constantly rather than being spun up and down. These things mean that they tend to actually have less wear and heat damage compared to cards that were used for gaming over the same time period. The gaming cards tend to be overclocked and in restrictive cases meaning they heat up more and the fans have to spin harder to cool them.

Of course you could always get a mining GPU that someone spilled soda or something on, but that's the risk you run for any used piece of technology. The biggest downside is the lack of a warranty, but even with a warranty you can always be screwed over by a manufacturer with little recourse.

A used 3080 12gb runs you under $400 these days and a new 12gb 4070 is about $700 for the same performance.

 

[Gordon_4]

I've seen people do tests where they buy a dozen mining GPUs from various sellers to test them, and 9 times out of 10 they're actually totally fine.

Obviously that's not exactly the most representative sample, but generally speaking, unless the card was seriously abused a previously owned GPU that was used for mining isn't actually any worse than a pre-owned GPU that was used for gaming, and in fact it's often better.

Mining GPUs tend to be under-volted, they tend to be in open air benches rather than in cases, and they run constantly rather than being spun up and down. These things mean that they tend to actually have less wear and heat damage compared to cards that were used for gaming over the same time period. The gaming cards tend to be overclocked and in restrictive cases meaning they heat up more and the fans have to spin harder to cool them.

Of course you could always get a mining GPU that someone spilled soda or something on, but that's the risk you run for any used piece of technology. The biggest downside is the lack of a warranty, but even with a warranty you can always be screwed over by a manufacturer with little recourse.

A used 3080 12gb runs you under $400 these days and a new 12gb 4070 is about $700 for the same performance.

Not an unfair point by any measure, I guess I’m lucky enough that my absurd Australia tax - for reference what few new 3080s are available still retail at over $1000 and used ones depending on condition aren’t much cheaper - also buys me not insignificant protections if my stuff does die.

But yeah, used is definitely viable but for complex electronics like this I just can’t bring myself to trust them unless I know the source.