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Ag3ma

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Why didn't Yahtzee mention the pronouns controversy in his review of Starfield?
Probably because there is no substantive pronouns controversy in Starfield.

I mean, if a load of people throw a fit insisting that the sun rises in the south not the east, there still isn't a meaningful controversy about what direction the sun rises in.
 

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So, to get this straight: you acknowledge that organisations haven't made nearly enough progress on diversity, equity or inclusion (which i agree with), and due to this you.... object to organisations having internal policies on diversity, equity and inclusion?
No, you don't have that straight. Corporations don't have internal policies on diversity, equity, and inclusion. Corporations have policies to create an illusion of diversity, equity, and inclusion, and to create an appearance of doing something without having actually done anything.

Take for example Nike. Nike practically can't go a day without touting some DEI-based hogwash. They're still not letting anyone up the corporate ladder who will substantively change, alter, or even challenge the status quo, regardless of ethnicity or gender, and they sure as hell haven't stopped operating sweatshops or greenwashing -- as I'm sure you'll agree, ecological sustainability and environmental justice are heavily interlinked with racial and economic justice. They're using DEI for advertising, nothing less and certainly nothing more.

Nestle, PepsiCo, and Coca-Cola? No matter how many women/BIPOC executives they bring in to parrot the party line and no matter how many rainbow cans and labels they print, at the end of the day they're still bringing in women/BIPOC to parrot the party line and nothing more, and they're still stealing water from economically- and environmentally-endangered areas (usually populated by BIPOC) for packaging and resale. Again it's advertising, nothing less and nothing more.

Amazon? The story you're not hearing right now is they're mass recruiting from refugee camps and centers globally, to import and work in warehouses. Then, they're leaving them in the lurch once they're here to create a semi-captive labor force. Not only is it scab labor, it's one step removed from indentured servitude and human trafficking only legal because "they're here of their own volition, and can choose to quit and leave any time". They won't even be arsed to hire interpreters to work onsite.

Don't get me started how women/BIPOC salaried employees are actually treated at Amazon.

...is the job of the government, not universities and corporations...But the government certainly does impose standards on organisations..."red tape" is not so much down to government regulation, it's to meet the demands of the insurance industry and reduce the risk of getting sued (the mere cost of being sued, never mind losing, being enough to dictate certain actions).

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In this sense, I think it's a lot more complex than a lazy swipe at "late stage capitalism"...it's not like non-capitalist nations have always been famed for their light-touch bureaucracy.
Let me get this straight. You accuse me of making "a lazy swipe at late-stage capitalism"...in the very same post you do a lot of grousing about TORTS. Stop and think about what you just posted. Like, really think about it; think really hard on whether there just might be connective tissue between late capitalism and civil lawfare.

I'm not even going to tuck in yet on how most western governments' "regulations" are backed by the "force" of civil penalty and nothing more. When, those civil penalties are generally less than potential lost revenue from corporate-wide policy change, which means the corporation simply considers civil penalty a cost of business and pays it.
 
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No, you don't have that straight. Corporations don't have internal policies on diversity, equity, and inclusion. Corporations have policies to create an illusion of diversity, equity, and inclusion, and to create an appearance of doing something without having actually done anything.
OK. So you believe they don't have these policies, and that the current policies are just window-dressing, but you also... don't want them to develop better DEI policies?

I'm trying to reconcile the fact that you're criticising them for failing to have proper or robust diversity, equity and inclusion policies, while also expressing hostility for the concept of diversity, equity and inclusion policies.
 
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Stop and think about what you just posted.
Tort represents a mechanism by which our current society processes a lot of disputes. But processes to ensure fairness under the law are required under any system of government [that cares about it]. In a theoretical socialist system, people still need legal rights, which will still impose bureaucratic costs on organisations to ensure they meet required standards or legal costs to be held accountable when failing.

There is no obvious reason to think this all magically disappears if we ditch capitalism, which is a lot of my point. You decided to specify tort (presumably because of its implications) without thinking more widely. And yes, that is exactly what I mean by lazy swipes.
 

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In a sarcasm about the pettiness of this thread's complains, I mention the general plight of trans people (who get ostracized and murdered for who they are), and you reduce this general plight to your toy issue of gaming representation, because you're absolute trash.

So yes, expect condescension and derogatory comments. You poor victim of the world.
 

Dwarvenhobble

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It's not that people can't counter your points, it's that they've learnt that a debate opponent who tends not to supply sensible arguments with substantive evidence is not worth arguing with.
And yet you guys still expect me to answer your fucking nonsense.


It's like an adult explaining something to a child where the child just says "Why?" in response to any point an adult makes. Soon enough the adult realises it's a game where there's no point addressing the child's question. Not to imply you are child, but to illustrate a roughly comparable exercise in futility. That many users find your views often prejudicial and discriminatory does not encourage them to constructive responses either.
Nah, you lot literally just can't argue. And so employ tactics like you're doing now to claim superiority in an attempt to employ an appeal to authority fallacy.

Oh and I find a number of users views here detached from fact and reality.
 
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Oh and apparently the new Robyn Hood show came out.

meaningless Internet points up for grabs for who can hit the most obvious "we're modernising Robyn Hood" changes before opening the spoiler section to find out where they took it.

 

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Oh and apparently the new Robyn Hood show came out.

meaningless Internet points up for grabs for who can hit the most obvious "we're modernising Robyn Hood" changes before opening the spoiler section to find out where they took it.

I don't want to alarm you but.... this has happened a 100 times in the last 50 years
 

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I don't want to alarm you but.... this has happened a 100 times in the last 50 years
And that's the problem! Transgender people need to know where their place is! They have their own table, they don't need to sit at anyone else's! /s
 

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You live in the most prosperous city in human history, and it only costs 700 dollars!?!?!

That is a fantastic deal, the City Government is insane. It's not up to code lol. Not up to code with NIMBY homeowners.

Yes, fire exits need to be open, but permits are dumb and the Bay Area's shitty city government will never approve anything because the homeowners there are selfish assholes.
 

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I don't want to alarm you but.... this has happened a 100 times in the last 50 years
Has it?

So they made Robin Hood a black bisexual woman rapper living in the Canadian projects trying to fight a billionaire who wants to gentrify where she lives 100 times in the past 50 years? any links to the 49 other times?
 

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Don't bother. Clearly, transgender people AREN'T being killed, are properly represented in everything, and need to just sit down and shut the fuck up, lest Dwarven's precious bubble wobble. Fuck us (well, possibly, I'm in the questioning phase), we need to just shut up and not hurt anyone's fee-fees.