Walls work now.

[Dreiko]

You guys do realize that this money was already appropriated, right? There is kinda a limit on how much Biden can really do to just not do it.

The argument is that there was no date set for it and no order that the building must start right now. They chose to start it up now by bypassing 26 laws instead of letting each of the laws be argued through the courts to score political points by exploiting the increased illegal entries and to assuage the people in places like new york that are up in arms but are not even republicans.

 

[immortalfrieza]

Everybody with any sense knows the wall won't work. The only walls that will ever work are the not literal ones. Like making it so illegal immigrants can't get jobs, can't get apartments, can't get government handouts, can't get anything that the government can possibly block them from getting unless they get a citizenship and thus are here legally. Plus make it a lot easier to enter the country and gain citizenship legally. The bigger the hassle we make it to enter and stay here illegally and the less hassle we make it to be here legally the better. Don't make living here illegally better than living where they came from legally and it will solve the whole issue.

The only other possible solution is to stick guard towers every 20 feet with guys with hunting rifles and lots of bullets and just start shooting anyone who doesn't stick to the roads and enter via the actual intended boarder crossings. Maybe finally get some use out of those nutjobs who keep buying and stockpiling guns with little to nothing to stop them and eventually go on mass shootings. People would stop trying to cross quick when they realize that they're risking death by trying. That however would be a downright psychotic way of doing things.

 

[Thaluikhain]

People would stop trying to cross quick when they realize that they're risking death by trying.

Refugees die trying to cross borders all the time. That doesn't stop them from trying.

 

[Absent]

The only thing that would and will stop it is a balance in the quality of life of different countries. A communicating vessels process that lowers our standards and increases the standards in other countries. It's the only thing that will stop that natural process, because inequality is unsustainable, no matter how many walls and landmines and machine guns are meant to protect it.

But of course, this reality is just inconceivable to an animal wired to think about his clan first and to see the rest as either enemies or resources. In particular the "christian" dipshits who inside the church nod at the tale of St Martin dividing his cloak, and will exit to vote en masse for the most unapologetically self-serving evil. So we're in for the eternal grinder at the borders and its eternal right-is-might justification, until the little palace crumbles on itself for its own reasons.

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

It does make all the hollering about biden being weak on border policy when it's remained almost untouched from trump era look as vacuous and unhinged as ever tho. Walls are so last year anyways, now we got big buoy saw blockades and underwater razor wire baybeee!

Up-close look at buoys with saw-like barbed metal used in Rio Grande

Footage shows an up-close look at buoys featuring saw-like barbed metal discs which are being used to form a barrier in the Rio Grande as part of Greg Abbott’s controversial border control methods. Video posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, by Rep Sylvia Garcia shows the orange spheres on...

www.independent.co.uk

Two found dead in Rio Grande where Texas' floating barrier and razor wire sparked federal lawsuit

The discovery of two dead people could mark an escalation since Texas installed its barrier of buoys to discourage unlawful crossings, which led to a federal lawsuit.

eu.usatoday.com

An up-close look at Gov. Greg Abbott’s floating wall in the Rio Grande

The string of wrecking ball-sized buoys is the centerpiece of what Gov. Greg Abbott calls “Operation Lone Star,” which also includes razor wire on the riverbank and arresting migrants for trespassing. TPR's David Martin Davies takes us by kayak to the barrier and to the people it's trying to...

www.keranews.org

Now you can kick your feet up with a beer and just watch them struggle and die without having to get involved at all.

 

[Casual Shinji]

In particular the "christian" dipshits who inside the church nod at the tale of St Martin dividing his cloak, and will exit to vote en masse for the most unapologetically self-serving evil.

It's sad how fucking true this is. I've been around an individual like this for a while now - someone who often speaks of biblical stories and even reads in a church most sundays, but then regulates all the current suffering in the world that doesn't suit them to the dustbin. Reperations for slavery? Boo, black people had slaves too. Financial support for earthquake victims in Turkey? Well, the war in Ukraine is worse, so why give money.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Everybody with any sense knows the wall won't work. The only walls that will ever work are the not literal ones. Like making it so illegal immigrants can't get jobs, can't get apartments, can't get government handouts, can't get anything that the government can possibly block them from getting unless they get a citizenship and thus are here legally. Plus make it a lot easier to enter the country and gain citizenship legally. The bigger the hassle we make it to enter and stay here illegally and the less hassle we make it to be here legally the better. Don't make living here illegally better than living where they came from legally and it will solve the whole issue.

When staying where you're at means certain death for you and everyone you love, going somewhere else where the law just wants to make things difficult isn't a hard sell.

I mean, we could help alleviate the problem by not backing strongman dictators who terrorize their people so that we can get cheaper resources, but that would make an executive somewhere slightly less rich. Shouldn't foreigners want to see their families die rather than have that happen?

 

[Absent]

When staying where you're at means certain death for you and everyone you love, going somewhere else where the law just wants to make things difficult isn't a hard sell.

I mean, we could help alleviate the problem by not backing strongman dictators who terrorize their people so that we can get cheaper resources, but that would make an executive somewhere slightly less rich. Shouldn't foreigners want to see their families die rather than have that happen?

Remember, "risk-taking" is only a capitalist virtue if you're a billionaire investing other people's money.

 

[CaitSeith]

It does make all the hollering about biden being weak on border policy when it's remained almost untouched from trump era look as vacuous and unhinged as ever tho. Walls are so last year anyways, now we got big buoy saw blockades and underwater razor wire baybeee!

Up-close look at buoys with saw-like barbed metal used in Rio Grande

Footage shows an up-close look at buoys featuring saw-like barbed metal discs which are being used to form a barrier in the Rio Grande as part of Greg Abbott’s controversial border control methods. Video posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, by Rep Sylvia Garcia shows the orange spheres on...

www.independent.co.uk

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Two found dead in Rio Grande where Texas' floating barrier and razor wire sparked federal lawsuit

The discovery of two dead people could mark an escalation since Texas installed its barrier of buoys to discourage unlawful crossings, which led to a federal lawsuit.

eu.usatoday.com

An up-close look at Gov. Greg Abbott’s floating wall in the Rio Grande

The string of wrecking ball-sized buoys is the centerpiece of what Gov. Greg Abbott calls “Operation Lone Star,” which also includes razor wire on the riverbank and arresting migrants for trespassing. TPR's David Martin Davies takes us by kayak to the barrier and to the people it's trying to...

www.keranews.org

Now you can kick your feet up with a beer and just watch them struggle and die without having to get involved at all.

I'm just going to wait for the unavoidable lawsuit after a drunk Texan is dared by his friends to swim near those and you can imagine the rest...

 

[Gergar12]

It does make all the hollering about biden being weak on border policy when it's remained almost untouched from trump era look as vacuous and unhinged as ever tho. Walls are so last year anyways, now we got big buoy saw blockades and underwater razor wire baybeee!

Up-close look at buoys with saw-like barbed metal used in Rio Grande

Footage shows an up-close look at buoys featuring saw-like barbed metal discs which are being used to form a barrier in the Rio Grande as part of Greg Abbott’s controversial border control methods. Video posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, by Rep Sylvia Garcia shows the orange spheres on...

www.independent.co.uk

View attachment 9761

Two found dead in Rio Grande where Texas' floating barrier and razor wire sparked federal lawsuit

The discovery of two dead people could mark an escalation since Texas installed its barrier of buoys to discourage unlawful crossings, which led to a federal lawsuit.

eu.usatoday.com

An up-close look at Gov. Greg Abbott’s floating wall in the Rio Grande

The string of wrecking ball-sized buoys is the centerpiece of what Gov. Greg Abbott calls “Operation Lone Star,” which also includes razor wire on the riverbank and arresting migrants for trespassing. TPR's David Martin Davies takes us by kayak to the barrier and to the people it's trying to...

www.keranews.org

Now you can kick your feet up with a beer and just watch them struggle and die without having to get involved at all.

What is wrong with Texans?

 

[Hawki]

What is wrong with Texans?

 

[immortalfrieza]

When staying where you're at means certain death for you and everyone you love, going somewhere else where the law just wants to make things difficult isn't a hard sell.

I mean, we could help alleviate the problem by not backing strongman dictators who terrorize their people so that we can get cheaper resources, but that would make an executive somewhere slightly less rich. Shouldn't foreigners want to see their families die rather than have that happen?

Refugees die trying to cross borders all the time. That doesn't stop them from trying.

You're missing the point. Make it less enticing to come here, then a lot more of them are going to not want to come here. Make it near impossible for illegals to get jobs here. Make it so they can't legally live anywhere. Make it so there's no programs to support illegals so that they can't get any money to send back and risk starving to death. In short, make it so being in America illegally is as problematic as possible.

Then, make it so that coming here perfectly legally is both quick and easy and all the aforementioned issues are not a problem for legal immigrants. Now we're got a massive immigrant population that actually contributes to the country and pays taxes. BOOM! The problem of illegal immigrants is solved.

It's really extremely simple and very very obvious how to solve the problem. Plus it would take a fraction of the time, money, and effort it would take for a useless wall. Even if it wouldn't solve it completely it would still massively curtail the issue of illegal immigrants. The reason nobody does exactly this is because of the political suicide of "they're letting ILLEGAL IN!? They're gonna take DUR JERBS!!" Even though that wouldn't actually be an issue if this was implemented correctly.

The reason immigrants in general come to the United States is because they want a better life. The reason illegal immigrants come here is they get that even though they are illegal and thus should be getting punished for coming here rather than rewarded.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You're missing the point. Make it less enticing to come here, then a lot more of them are going to not want to come here. Make it near impossible for illegals to get jobs here. Make it so they can't legally live anywhere. Make it so there's no programs to support illegals so that they can't get any money to send back and risk starving to death. In short, make it so being in America illegally is as problematic as possible.

Then, make it so that coming here perfectly legally is both quick and easy and all the aforementioned issues are not a problem for legal immigrants. Now we're got a massive immigrant population that actually contributes to the country and pays taxes. BOOM! The problem of illegal immigrants is solved.

It's really extremely simple and very very obvious how to solve the problem. Plus it would take a fraction of the time, money, and effort it would take for a useless wall. Even if it wouldn't solve it completely it would still massively curtail the issue of illegal immigrants. The reason nobody does exactly this is because of the political suicide of "they're letting ILLEGAL IN!? They're gonna take DUR JERBS!!" Even though that wouldn't actually be an issue if this was implemented correctly.

The reason immigrants in general come to the United States is because they want a better life. The reason illegal immigrants come here is they get that even though they are illegal and thus should be getting punished for coming here rather than rewarded.

Well, I'd say there's no need to make illegal immigration less desirable if legal immigration is easy, though otherwise I agree. Just disagreeing with the part about making it dangerous being in any way useful.

 

[immortalfrieza]

Well, I'd say there's no need to make illegal immigration less desirable if legal immigration is easy, though otherwise I agree. Just disagreeing with the part about making it dangerous being in any way useful.

We have to hit the problem from both sides or it's just going to be half measures. Illegal immigration must be made as undesirable as possible meanwhile legal immigration made as easy and desirable as possible. Otherwise people will just not bother with legal immigration no matter how easy it is and just keep sneaking in anyway. Throughout human history non-literal walls have always been much more effective at stopping bad behavior than literal ones ever will. People will always find a way around this literal wall no matter how well built and how secure they are, that's why the wall will never work.

 

[Dreiko]

We have to hit the problem from both sides or it's just going to be half measures. Illegal immigration must be made as undesirable as possible meanwhile legal immigration made as easy and desirable as possible. Otherwise people will just not bother with legal immigration no matter how easy it is and just keep sneaking in anyway. Throughout human history non-literal walls have always been much more effective at stopping bad behavior than literal ones ever will. People will always find a way around this literal wall no matter how well built and how secure they are, that's why the wall will never work.

The issue with that is that the penalties for hiring illegal workers are way too weak. If every boss at a company was guaranteed life in prison for even hiring a single illegal immigrant, instead of a petty fine, that'd go a long further in fixing the problem.

 

[immortalfrieza]

The issue with that is that the penalties for hiring illegal workers are way too weak. If every boss at a company was guaranteed life in prison for even hiring a single illegal immigrant, instead of a petty fine, that'd go a long further in fixing the problem.

You do realize that's exactly what I've said right? Make it so illegals can't get jobs here and a massive chunk of the issue is solved right then and there.

 

[Absent]

Enforce decent minimal wages, so that employers don't require to hire absolutely desperate people. Many problem solved, except that oh noes commies self regulating free market my balls help.

 

[CaitSeith]

You do realize that's exactly what I've said right? Make it so illegals can't get jobs here and a massive chunk of the issue is solved right then and there.

That's just as unrealistic as the idea of keeping illegals out by building an impenetrable wall. As long as illegal jobs exist for American citizens, they'll exist for illegal immigrants too.

Overall, making America undesirable to immigrate sounds like a good plan in paper; until you realize you'll have to make America worse than the country their are escaping from; and you can't make America worst just for immigrants without worsening it for citizens too (and at the moment America becomes a shithole where not even its own citizens want to live in; then what was the fucking point?)

 

[Dreiko]

You do realize that's exactly what I've said right? Make it so illegals can't get jobs here and a massive chunk of the issue is solved right then and there.

I just think the focus has to be shifted a tad, not make illegals unable to get jobs but rather make employers too scared to hire them, the focus needs to be on those who have the choice-making ability. The illegals are like floodwater, if there's a gap in the dam, they will flow to it, so you have to target those creating the gap that they're filling in our economy.

Enforce decent minimal wages, so that employers don't require to hire absolutely desperate people. Many problem solved, except that oh noes commies self regulating free market my balls help.

I think the issue is they're working under the table at like a tenth of the current minimum wage so no matter what we do to our minimum wage it won't really affect em. So you just need to punish the businesses who engage in this with fines comparable to those of human traffickers, because they legit are a part in that ecosystem by creating a demand for bodies and if they weren't there the cartels wouldn't see a profit in this trafficking.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Then, make it so that coming here perfectly legally is both quick and easy and all the aforementioned issues are not a problem for legal immigrants. Now we're got a massive immigrant population that actually contributes to the country and pays taxes. BOOM! The problem of illegal immigrants is solved.

Presupposing that the people who want to immigrate don't, y'know, die while they're waiting years for their applications to be processed.

How many times do you have to be told that your ideas of punishing illegal immigration are literally competing with death? People desperately trying to escape natural disaster, starvation or genocide aren't going to politely die out of respect for your particular idea of law and justice.

(Also, illegal immigrants pay sales taxes and the like.)