On the contrary, I actively proposed the argument that the proposals weren't good enough.
You are the one who exclusively blamed Israel.
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You are the one who exclusively blamed Israel.
no. a municipality with some limited autonomy is not a state.
Did you? If you did, I missed it. The bit where you say I or Sean might argue it doesn't count; that's just speculating on what we might say, before then rejecting it.
That's definitely untrue. I specifically said Arafat carries some responsibility for failing to make a meaningful counteroffer.
Though it does seem not a million miles away from what Israel is offering Palestine.
I'm sure they could fuck off forever if they put their mind to it.
At least? A counter proposal. None was made. Do you think Arafat did say and mean it that had he accepted and made peace, his own people would have killed him? I do and I think it for the same reason Ukraine continues its conflict: powerful people are making billions getting people killed and causing untold wanton destruction and they do not care. Even if it is disproportionately their own people and infrastructure being destroyed.
Again, when negotiating, you virtually never play your best offer right up front. No counter proposal was made. This, to me, is conclusive proof Israel was not negotiating with a good faith "partner".
EDIT: An example of when you would lead with your best offer is to shine a light on your "partner" and expose they have no intention of settling a dispute.
What's your sincere counter proposal to my request that you eat hot dog shit? You are apparently required to take this request seriously, and if you don't, that means that you aren't operating as a good faith partner.
Yeah? That proposal was being relegated to a worse American style Indian reservation. And you can see how well that worked out for the natives
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Getting an offer of 95% of that for which you've been asking is being told to eat shit? Reviewing: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
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That still didn't happen-- you're still just accepting a propaganda narrative at face value-- and Benny Morris is an avowed proponent of ethnic cleansing.
95%, according to Israel and the US, as only a verbal negotiation, light on details, as told by the literal israeli prime minister? Have you bothered to think that the literal guy who was trying to "negotiate" might put a positive spin on his bullshit offer?
Did you even bother to read what those details were?
What Happened at Camp David in 2000? | IMEU
The Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) is a non-profit organization that offers journalists facts, analysis, experts, and digital resources about Palestine and Palestinians.
Nope, 1st time reading that article, thanks for sharing. This was hardly dog shit, yet no where in your article do they refute that Arafat made no counter offer of any kind.95%, according to Israel and the US, as only a verbal negotiation, light on details, as told by the literal israeli prime minister? Have you bothered to think that the literal guy who was trying to "negotiate" might put a positive spin on his bullshit offer?
Did you even bother to read what those details were?
What Happened at Camp David in 2000? | IMEU
The Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) is a non-profit organization that offers journalists facts, analysis, experts, and digital resources about Palestine and Palestinians.imeu.org
In reality, if Israel is successful and the Hamastinians do disperse to the various 40+ Muslim majority nations while land formally called Gaza is annexed by Israel? I think in the end, they may find greater peace and happiness leaving that land. I wish them well.
Man, don't suggest people will be happier in the aftermath of an ethnic cleansing, that's fucked
And where the fuck are you coming up with this Hamastiniens bullshit, the weirdest people on Twitter aren't even floating that.
I see parallels with Pakistan and India and think they are happier being apart. They just didn't get along together. Same thing for the Israeli region. The people of Gaza have to be miserable as is. But they do seem to have whole ingested what Hamas is: putting killing Jews ahead of having good, happy, healthy lives for themselves (hence, Hamastinians). Sometimes, one needs distance for healing. I'm not trying to be hurtful here but being honest: I think they will be better off elsewhere. Imagine if my family fought to stay around the Russian/Ukraine border over 100 years ago. They'd have been torture murdered and I'd not have been born. Sometimes one needs to make the best of a bad situation. But things can get better and we should all hope for that.
Easier solution: dismantle the Israeli apartheid state, stop the ethnic cleansing, respect the right of return, and let all within the borders of Palestine have equal rights.
If you would want to go the Pakistan-India route, that would mean the Palestinians get a proper state with full sovereignty and all the Israeli settlers get expulsed from land beyond Israels internationally recognized borders.
Yes, they would certainly be happier with that.