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Dwarvenhobble

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You said someone got $20k for a single speech to imply the sorts of costs.

Like I said, try being honest for once. You knew what you were doing, at least have the courage to admit it rather than weasel out.
I did, I said Anita charged that much to get an idea of the kind of charges, I never specified it would be that much per day for the consultancy. Your personal incredulity issues are not me lying to you.
 

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So these games aren't being banned by "the woke". Also, asking for things to change in a series isn't demanding it be banned. The reason we barely hear from Dead or Alive anymore is because of how it entrenched itself in its juvenile attitude toward women with very little else to show for itself, and fighting game fans would rather have a game with a bit more going on. Nobody complained about Street Fighter 6 and its hot women, because some actual thought and imagination was put into it.
Also they announced they were changing and toning down the next entry so the existing fanbase went "Yeh fuck that" and so never turned up and the series died a death because the new audience who wanted the changes didn't buy it.

And yet people still got pissy before over R Mika (not being into the Street Fighter since Alpha 2 I only remember the controversy coming up)

Also, worth mentioning that Japan censors games from the West and even their own games all the time. Japan has their ways and the West theirs. Just as we don't see games like Dead or Alive from a western studio, we won't see games with a gay main character or with a woman who isn't a super model from a Japanese studio. Heck, we won't even see a game like Ghost of Tsushima from a Japanese studio because the main character would be considered too ugly. That's how warped the beauty standards are for game characters in Japan.

This outrage over "the woke" banning games is fucking pitiful seeing as the vast majority of actual banned games are either due to violence or religious organisations not liking gay or sexual content.
What games in recent times have been banned due to religious groups not liking the violence or gay or sexual content?
 

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1) If you think these guys have a chance in hell at taking down two of the largest investment firms in the world, I've got some land on Mars to sell you.

2) You and I both know that the idiots saying this wouldn't care about what the rich do with their money otherwise.
Dude, a fairly prominent banker was having a meltdown on TV over a subreddit of what at the time 50K or 150K people? That's how little it takes to scare them.
 

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Oh yeh, it is you see they specifically found a way to get it so executives think it has to happen.

So according to this Asmongold guy, Sweet Baby Inc is terrifying CEOs with "five tweets that go viral and then nobody actually cares afterwards". He even sites examples that disprove his argument: Final Fantasy XVI was criticized for a lack of diversity for a hot minute and then no one cared. Hogwarts Legacy introduced the Harry Potter franchise's first trans character and was massively successful. And Sweet Baby Inc wasn't involved in either of those games or the discourse surrounding them, so what is it is about this company that you guys are afraid of.



OK I'll go deeper into it.

In Prey the female lead wants to be a hunter but her tribe won't let her, that's one of the plot points and reasons she's out there. Now based on the culture and timeframe she wouldn't get to keep trying to do that as such. Doesn't mean she couldn't be skilled and it couldn't be a plot point.
Raiding and warfare were an integral part of the men's role among Plains Indian nations, but it was by no means uncommon for women to engage in these activities as well. Their motivations were the same as those of the men: revenge, defense, and a desire for prestige and wealth. Most frequently, a woman would join or even lead a war party in order to take revenge for relatives slain by some enemy. Women would also take up arms to defend their camp against hostile intruders. In other cases, women, by means of visions, received the command to go to war. Capturing horses and other property on a raid also brought great prestige to both men and women.




Also the point about not having her fight is it's the fucking predator dude, you don't stand any chance really 1 on 1 vs it, you have to use traps and outsmart it to really win.
Which is what she did. Did you watch the movie at all? She uses the environment, the Predator's own weapons and her small size to win. It's not like she suplexed it into the Earth's core.

As for L.A. cops and gangs, they they're considered pretty damn dangerous considering modern guns etc
Modern guns that were frequently shown to be useless against the Predator.




Yet still change from her origin in comics of inhuman gene (note for those not 100% familiar that is slightly different to mutant genes)
The people mad about the change from the comics are the ones who are fans of hers. I'm talking about the right wing grifters that have had their knives out for this character for the crime of being a Muslim character who isn't a suicide bombing villain who wants to destroy America.



Until Kingpin was weirdly softer in the Echo series especially at the end, guess that brain injury really did a number on him?
Kingpin being soft with people he personally cares about is not new. It's been done in the comics numerous times.




So why do most modern versions of that have to have a weak male character, I mean part of the point in Xena was Joxer was a decent dude who wanted to be a hero and in some episodes did get to show how much of a hero he could be. He was the idea of potential to be realised even if he did spend most of his time as a buffoon / comic relief sidekick, and importantly it was set in the same world as Hercules (often shown as a double bill) so it was trying to be very clear in showing how both men and women could be strong together. Plenty of modern films and media removed that dynamic in favour of "No the female character is superior to all the men and puts them to shame one way or another". E.G. Jane Foster Thor actually has extra powers over male Thor because "Shut up your misogynist" or something.

You're also ignoring that Jane using the hammer was killing her and that was part of a long arc which involved Thor regaining his confidence and getting the hammer back.

You'd be saying this exact same thing about Joxer if Xena came out today. You guys whine about men being made to look stupid and weak as if male characters being comic relief is some new idea. I guess it wasn't a problem when these men were being used to make other men look tough but now that a small number of movies and shows are putting women in this role, it's an issue.





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You really scraped the bottom of the barrel for these, didn't you?

Resident Evil live-action adaptations aren't known for their quality (though I should point out that the Anderson films were box office successes despite starring a "Mary Sue" female character that game fans hated).

Rise of Skywalker (which was clearly re-written to pander to the Rey hating/Kylo Ren loving crowd) still made a billion. In fact, the only Disney Star Wars film to actually fail at the box office was Solo, which starred a white man.

As for The Marvels, yeah it failed. For a bunch of reasons that had nothing to do with wokeness. Tell me, how successful are the Daily Mail's movies again?
 
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Also they announced they were changing and toning down the next entry so the existing fanbase went "Yeh fuck that" and so never turned up and the series died a death because the new audience who wanted the changes didn't buy it.
Which goes to show how little it had going for it. Mortal Kombat toned down the sexualization and it's doing fine, because fans generally like the characters, story, setting, and violence. DOA had boob physics and naked thighs. Once that got toned down it pretty much lost its entire identity.

What games in recent times have been banned due to religious groups not liking the violence or gay or sexual content?
The Callisto Protocal was banned in Japan because the developer refused to add the requested changes for release. The TLoU games were censored in Japan, and TLoU 2 was banned in Saudi Arabia for gay content. The Witcher 3 was censored in Japan with its nudity apparently removed completely. Russia and China have also been making work of banning videogames (or anything) with gay characters in it.
 

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Resident Evil live-action adaptations aren't known for their quality (though I should point out that the Anderson films were box office successes despite starring a "Mary Sue" female character that game fans hated).
That really only applies to the first four movies. The only reason those movies did so well is that the people who watch them didn't know thing one about the actual Resident Evil. That movie franchise has diminishing returns. By the time of the fifth movie, numbers started to drop. By the time of the 7th and Final movie, no one showed up. We don't even talk about that live action Netflix "sequel', or whatever the hell that was.
 

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Which goes to show how little it had going for it. Mortal Kombat toned down the sexualization and it's doing fine, because fans generally like the characters, story, setting, and violence. DOA had boob physics and naked thighs. Once that got toned down it pretty much lost its entire identity.

The Callisto Protocal was banned in Japan because the developer refused to add the requested changes for release. The TLoU games were censored in Japan, and TLoU 2 was banned in Saudi Arabia for gay content. The Witcher 3 was censored in Japan with its nudity apparently removed completely. Russia and China have also been making work of banning videogames (or anything) with gay characters in it.
Dwarvenhobble, does nothing but goal posting, selective reasoning, and selective obliviousness. Or if it's censoring he doesn't have a problem with, he won't say anything and ignore it. Like the banning of gay characters. He "won't see the problem" or try to downplay it.

Also, Japan offered refunds for The Last of Us Part 2 in nearly all the retail stores, because the Japanese hate the sequel so much. Calista Protocol sucked as a game, so Japan did not miss much. Plus they prefer Dead Space anyway.
 

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That really only applies to the first four movies. The only reason those movies did so well is that the people who watch them didn't know thing one about the actual Resident Evil. That movie franchise has diminishing returns. By the time of the fifth movie, numbers started to drop.
Second that, if you're not a fan of actual Resident Evil and just like Milla Jovovich Milla Jovoviching, the first few are decent enough.
 
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Which goes to show how little it had going for it. Mortal Kombat toned down the sexualization and it's doing fine, because fans generally like the characters, story, setting, and violence. DOA had boob physics and naked thighs. Once that got toned down it pretty much lost its entire identity.

Here are the top fighting game franchise sales.

Note that not only does Dead or Alive come nowhere near Mortal Kombat, but is also outsold by Smash Bros. This is despite MK being banned in several countries and SB having only four entries (two less than DOA) and being a Nintendo exclusive. Tekken, which also sexualizes women considerably less than Street Fighter and DOA, is also pretty high on the list.

That really should tell you something about how "sex sells" is a strategy that works for only so long.

Which is a shame because DOA does have good gameplay and even potentially interesting characters. Too bad all that got overshadowed because it spent so much time playing up sex appeal which limited the games' audience.

The Witcher 3 was censored in Japan with its nudity apparently removed completely.
And the anti-woke crowd had nothing to say about this despite whining every time an outfit in a Japanese game is altered. Gee, I wonder why.
 
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Second that, if you're not a fan of actual Resident Evil and just like Milla Jovovich Milla Jovoviching, the first few are decent enough.
Me personally, you couldn't get me to watch any of them nowadays. I find all of them too boring and the third one makes no sense before the fifth movie became the one to make even less sense. A virus that turns people into zombies or monsters does not cause the entire world to become Mad Max. When Paul WS Anderson did that, what little interest I had for the movies completely dropped after that. Funny enough I used to own the first two. I got them both for a cheap price, but after a while they just sat there and I sold them just as soon as I got out of the high school.

And the anti-woke crowd had nothing to say about this despite whining every time an outfit in a Japanese game is altered. Gee, I wonder why.
Because they're hypocritical bitches what selective reasoning in obliviousness, and like The gaslight themselves and their echo chamber into thinking that Japan is some promised Land free from any type of censorship and "embraces anti-woken mentality". Even though those same fighting games they praise about are not afraid to get multicultural, and that companies like Capcom, Sega (especially back in the 90s and early 2000s) SNK, and Namco were never afraid to get multicultural multiple times. Most of these shit heads spewing their vile crap aren't even actual fans and just alt-righters that infiltrated their way into nerdom and various fan bases.
 
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I did, I said Anita charged that much to get an idea of the kind of charges, I never specified it would be that much per day for the consultancy.
You made a completely unrealistic comparison to try to pass off a completely unrealistic idea of the charges. And now you're trying to dishonestly weasel your way out of it.
 
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I have no idea what's going on anti-woke world, but the hyper fixation on Sugar Baby Inc and making games woke is getting increasingly psychotic. I've been seeing rabid commenters on almost every gaming news video I watch.

I'm genuinely curious about what conspiracy theory they've cooked up about it, but I'm terrified what trying to look into it will do to my cookies.
 
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I have no idea what's going on anti-woke world, but the hyper fixation on Sugar Baby Inc and making games woke is getting increasingly psychotic. I've been seeing rabid commenters on almost every gaming news video I watch.

I'm genuinely curious about what conspiracy theory they've cooked up about it, but I'm terrified what trying to look into it will do to my cookies.

This thing with Sweet Baby showed up in my news and video feed as obviously an transparent circle jerk of rage bait between left & right outlets.

There are legitimate times when outrage feels 100% manufactured so that everyone on both sides can get their view & click quota for the week.
 
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THE RECKONING
Didier Raoult and his institute found fame during the pandemic. Then, a group of dogged critics exposed major ethical failings

With six studies published in the 2010s, French microbiologist Didier Raoult added to his already vast publication record. He and his colleagues conducted a wide range of investigations into infectious diseases and their treatments. They took stool samples from patients on long-term antibiotic treatment, looking for alterations in their gut microbiome. They swabbed the throats of pilgrims leaving France for Mecca, searching for evidence of a bacterium that causes brain abscesses. And they studied samples of heart valves and blood clots from patients with heart inflammation to refine tests for the bacteria that cause the condition.

But in January, the American Society for Microbiology (ASM) journals that published the papers announced they were retracting all six, along with a seventh by Raoult’s colleagues. Aix-Marseille University had investigated the research, which was done at its affiliated Hospital Institute of Marseille Mediterranean Infection (IHU), a research hospital that Raoult led until his retirement in 2021. The investigation found the work had not been reviewed by one of France’s highly regulated national ethical committees. It was therefore in violation of French law and the Declaration of Helsinki, an international ethics document that guides clinical research.

In a written statement sent to Science, Raoult says ASM retracted the papers without accounting for his team’s rebuttals to the critiques. But to Lonni Besançon, the retractions are vindication of concerns that he and others have been voicing since Raoult and the IHU burst into the media spotlight in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, downplaying its severity and touting prospects for a successful treatment.

The Linköping University computer scientist and his fellow critics—a gaggle of dogged individuals, many of them academic outsiders—originally set out to challenge poor-quality research coming out of the IHU, especially the claim that COVID-19 could be treated with the antimalaria drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). But they soon embarked on an all-consuming attempt to raise the alarm about ethical failings in the institute’s research, going back at least 15 years.

Their efforts have met with lackluster responses from France’s scientific institutions, Besançon says, but the retractions are the most important consequence so far. They “confirm what we suspected,” he says. “But I am hoping that things will go further.”

Raoult says his critics are stalkers and cyberharassers who have misunderstood how French biomedical law works. He says he’s followed ethical regulations and that much of the research under fire has been on “human waste”—such as fecal matter—which is not defined as biomedical research under French law.



But the ethical failings are “not disputed” within the scientific community, says Philippe Amiel, a lawyer who specializes in human experimentation. The authorities have known about problems at the IHU for years, adds Karine Lacombe, an infectious disease specialist at Sorbonne University. If they had acted earlier, she says, “the picture of the pandemic in France would have been totally different.”

A criminal investigation of Raoult’s institute is now underway. But his critics are asking why French institutions took so long to tackle systemic violations at the IHU, leaving it to a persistent group of outsiders to investigate the institute and push for punitive action. And they are wondering whether Raoult and the institute will be held to account for the wide range of lapses they have alleged. “It’s a big, big mess,” Lacombe says.



RAOULT IS BEST KNOWN for his work on rickettsia—bacteria transmitted by fleas and ticks—and his discovery of giant viruses. He has accumulated national decorations in both France and his birth country of Senegal as well as prestigious scientific awards, including the 2010 Grand Prize from the French biomedical research agency INSERM. He has published prolifically, with more than 3200 papers indexed on PubMed, and is one of the most highly cited researchers in his field.

In 2011, Raoult was selected to lead the newly created IHU in Marseille, one of six state-of-the-art research hospitals established by then-President Nicolas Sarkozy’s government. Raoult’s IHU, which specializes in infectious disease research, was launched with a €72 million government grant, and in 2018 it moved into an imposing new building. The institute’s power is political as well as scientific, says Michel Dubois, a sociologist of science at the French national research agency CNRS: “When you open this institute—when you create a building—you need some leverage at the political level.”

As Europe began to pay serious attention to the COVID-19 pandemic in early 2020, the media wanted to know what Raoult and his institute made of the situation. “Almost every day, you were able to watch a new interview with Raoult,” says Antoine Bristielle, a social scientist at the Jean-Jaurès Foundation, a think tank. “It became a self-reinforcing phenomenon … the media were interested in what he was saying, so he came to be really powerful in the French population. And then, of course, the media wanted him because he was able to attract large audiences.”

In videos posted online by the IHU, Raoult is often seated in an office, wearing a lab coat, long gray hair and beard slightly unkempt. He speaks soberly and quietly, frowning slightly while delivering reassuring pronouncements: The new coronavirus has a mortality rate not too different from widespread respiratory infections; a treatment will be coming soon.

Illustrated portrait of Fabrice Frank.


Ex-biologist Fabrice Frank, now an IT consultant, used his time in COVID-19 quarantine to begin compiling a database of all Hospital Institute of Marseille Mediterranean Infection (IHU) papers that appeared to reuse ethical approval numbers. He and his collaborators identified 248 papers that used the same code, despite investigating different questions, using different samples, in different participant populations, and in different countries. N. BURGESS/SCIENCE

Raoult’s confident statements caught the eye of Fabrice Frank, a former biologist who had left academia and become a high school math and physics teacher. By the time the pandemic hit, Frank had moved from France to Morocco, where he started an IT company and dedicated his spare time to surfing. He watched with shock when Raoult asserted— with minimal evidence, based on thinly reported research in China—that HCQ, or the related medicine chloroquine phosphate, would be an effective treatment.

Victor Garcia, a journalist at French magazine L’Express, saw scientists expressing skepticism about Raoult’s claims on social media. He called the IHU, assuming it had more details that could counter some of the critics’ concerns. But Garcia says he received a “strange” response from IHU researcher Jean-Marc Rolain. “I am a scientist,” Rolain said. “If I tell you to take chloroquine, you’ll listen to me.” (Rolain did not respond to multiple requests for comment.) That was “the beginning of me asking questions,” Garcia says.

ON 11 MARCH 2020, French health minister Olivier Véran invited Raoult to join the Scientific Council advising the government on its pandemic response. A few days later, Raoult and his team published a bombshell paper in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, reporting that the IHU had found HCQ combined with the antibiotic azithromycin to be an effective COVID-19 treatment.

Although the results were preliminary and other researchers doubted Raoult’s conclusions, HCQ hype surged, with then–U.S. President Donald Trump touting its promise and Raoult enthusing over it on YouTube. “Raoult was saying, ‘I understand everything, I have a solution,’ and people want that kind of information in troubled times,” Bristielle says.

Raoult’s popular support bred political support, Bristielle adds. “If someone has such a presence in the media landscape, politicians have to listen to him—otherwise they will be really distrusted by the population.” On 26 March—amid strong resistance from some other members of the scientific council—Véran issued a decree allowing HCQ to be prescribed to COVID-19 inpatients.

Illustrated portrait of Elisabeth Bik.


Elisabeth Bik, a scientific integrity sleuth based in San Francisco, first raised concerns about the IHU’s work on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in March 2020. She went on to identify major ethical and scientific issues in dozens of IHU papers, spurred on, she says, by abuse from Didier Raoult and his supporters. N. BURGESS/SCIENCE

Scientific integrity consultant Elisabeth Bik decided to take a close look at the HCQ paper. A microbiologist by training, Bik already knew of Raoult and his reputation for prolific publication. On her blog she pointed to several problems she saw with the paper: Patients had not been randomly assigned to the treatment and control groups, which could have biased the results. She also noted that six patients out of the 26 treated with HCQ were dropped from the data—including three who were transferred to intensive care and one who died—which painted a more favorable picture of the treatment.

Besançon, too, was curious. He looked into the paper, which had been submitted to the journal on 16 March and accepted the next day, and noticed that one of the authors was also editor-in-chief at the journal. “So you have a very short reviewing time and editorial conflict of interest,” he says. “I just find this potentially a big red flag. But I thought, it’s just one paper.” (A July 2020 editorial in the journal said handling of the paper had been delegated to an associate editor to minimize potential bias, although it noted that “some of the concerns regarding the paper’s methodology were substantiated.”)

Over the next few weeks, two more IHU studies appeared, with unusually short peer-review timelines, both in a journal where one of the authors was an associate editor. One of those papers was a second study using HCQ to treat 80 “mildly infected” hospitalized COVID-19 patients; nearly all improved clinically. The study had not been reviewed by one of France’s 39 Committees for the Protection of Persons (CPPs), the highly regulated independent ethics committees authorized to approve biomedical research. Instead, it had been approved by the IHU’s internal ethics committee.

This was sufficient, the authors wrote, because it was a retrospective study on patients who had received normal medical care, with researchers merely looking back over their files to see how they had fared. In France, such studies are not covered by the law on research ethics, and so do not need approval from a CPP. Instead, researchers often seek approval from institutional ethics committees—which are unregulated—to supply ethical approval details to journals. But if samples are collected for both research and medical care, then the study must be approved by a CPP, Amiel says. “Concealing a prospective study as a retrospective study is a well-known temptation,” he says. Unauthorized research is a criminal offense.

The French National Agency for the Safety of Medicines and Health Products (ANSM) said it asked the IHU for evidence that the study had in fact been retrospective, and in May 2020, the agency referred the case to the French Medical Association. The Marseille public prosecutor, alerted to the case by a tipster, announced later that year that the study had been retrospective and dropped the case. Still, those early concerns were a cue for Bik, Besançon, and others to look closely at Raoult’s substantial publication record— and to pay particular attention to ethical approval.

DESPITE THE GROWING SKEPTICISM from scientists and others, Raoult’s public support endured. A poll in May 2020 found that 30% of French people trusted him more than Véran. By June, there were more than 90 Facebook groups supporting him, according to Bristielle’s research, with a total of nearly 1.1 million members. By Christmas, supporters could buy a santon of Raoult— a small terra cotta figurine traditional to Provence, where nativity scenes incorporate local characters and heroes.

A small figurine in Raoult's likeness, about three inches tall, held between forefinger and thumb.
Although other scientists were skeptical of his research on COVID-19, Didier Raoult enjoyed immense popular support; by late 2020, fans could buy a terra cotta Raoult figurine for their nativity scenes.NICOLAS TUCAT/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

Meanwhile, Frank, Garcia, and other critics began their deep look into Raoult’s body of research. Bik says she focused first on images in his papers, because her specialty is detecting image manipulation. But, faced with insults from Raoult—and harassment from his colleagues and supporters—she channeled her frustration into assessing his vast back catalog, finding more studies that appeared to lack proper ethical approval.

Garcia had also begun to scrutinize IHU papers, and in July 2021 published an investigation in L’Express that reported finding 17 studies between 2011 and 2020—mostly involving homeless people or refugees—that had all used the same ethical approval number, even though the studies used different methods to answer different research questions. One, for example, took nasal swabs in a homeless shelter to test the prevalence of microbes; another took sputum samples and chest x-rays from shelter residents to test for tuberculosis. (An IHU representative told L’Express the repeated use of the code was the result of “editorial errors.”) Again the ethical approval number came from an institutional ethics committee, not a CPP, Garcia reported.

Illustrated portrait of Victor Garcia.


Victor Garcia, a journalist at French magazine L’Express, began to pay attention to Raoult when he enthused about the potential for HCQ as a COVID-19 treatment. Garcia covered the emerging IHU story beat for beat and published two investigations into ethical abuses there. Shortly after publication, the French drug safety agency began to inspect the IHU. N. BURGESS/SCIENCE

Frank, too, had begun to dig. Stuck at home in Morocco under quarantine, he trawled Google Scholar for IHU studies that shared ethical approval codes. With his collaborators— including Besançon—he ultimately discovered 248 studies that had used the approval number “09-022,” representing a single application to the IHU ethics committee.

Raoult was an author on all but 10 of these 248 studies. He told Science it is “perfectly true” that all these papers reused the ethics approval number. But that was permissible, he says, because all involved the same kind of research: analyses of bacteria in human feces collected during standard care, or from waste. None of the research fell under French bioethics law, he says.

But Amiel says the studies describe samples taken for research purposes and not just as part of standard care, and that this type of study should “undoubtedly” be authorized by a CPP. (Although many were conducted before the current French law came into effect in 2016, this research would still have needed CPP approval under the previous law, Amiel says.) And many of the 248 studies relied not on feces, but on other material, including vaginal samples, urine, blood, and even breast milk. Any change in research protocol should prompt a new application for ethical approval, Amiel says.

Many of the papers involved children, and nearly half of them had been conducted outside of France—largely in various African countries—with no or hazy details of whether local ethical bodies had given approval for the research, according to Frank and his collaborators. “There have been so many breaches in ethics law, for so long,” says Frank, who published the group’s findings in Research Integrity and Peer Review in August 2023.



A slow-motion downfall
Critics first raised concerns about ethical approvals for Didier Raoult’s studies in early 2020, as the COVID-19 pandemic catapulted the Hospital Institute of Marseille Mediterranean Infection (IHU) to prominence. They say French authorities and journals have taken far too long to react.Scroll left and right to view full timeline.


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Image: timeline of events from March 2020 to January 2024.​
  • 20 March 2020: The IHU publishes a paper reporting that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is effective at treating COVID-19.
  • 24 March 2020: Scientific integrity sleuth Elisabeth Bik notes issues with HCQ paper.
  • 25 March 2020: Mathieu Molimard and French Society of Pharmacology begin posting online about HCQ ineffectiveness and risks.
  • 26 March 2020: French health minister Olivier Véran allows HCQ to be prescribed to COVID-19 inpatients.
  • 27 March 2020: Second IHU study on HCQ published as a preprint
  • 8 April 2020: Drug safety agency quizzes the IHU about ethical approval in second HCQ study.
  • Early April 2020: Tipster alerts French drug safety agency to ethical concerns in HCQ research.
  • 26 May 2020: France withdraws approval of HCQ as a COVID-19 treatment.
  • 30 October 2020: Pharmaceutical company Sanofi reports that the IHU continues to place large HCQ orders.
  • 12 November 2020: Marseilles public prosecutor closes case on HCQ papers, saying there has been no legal breach.
  • 20 July 2021: In L’Express investigation, journalist Victor Garcia finds multiple IHU studies did not have proper ethical approval.
  • 26 July 2021: IT consultant Fabrice Frank starts to investigate repeated ethical approval numbers in the IHU’s past papers.
  • 27 October 2021: Drug safety agency says IHU studies appear to have violated research ethics laws, confirms it has referred case to prosecutor.
  • 27 April 2022: Drug safety agency reports unapproved research at the IHU and restricts institute’s research activities.
  • July 2022: Prosecutor opens judicial investigation.
  • 5 September 2022: Government auditors report ethical breaches at the IHU, refer matter to prosecutor.
  • 13 December 2022: Publisher PLOS flags 49 IHU papers with expressions of concern because of potential ethical violations.
  • 4 April 2023: The IHU reports the results of an HCQ study involving more than 30,000 patients.
  • 28 May 2023: Molimard and others publish op-ed challenging legality of new HCQ study.
  • 30 October 2023: Scientific Reports retracts two papers led by Raoult, saying authors could not provide evidence of ethical approval.
  • 4 January 2024: American Society for Microbiology retracts seven IHU papers, citing breaches in research ethics.
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Raoult says the studies relying on material other than stool samples had “supplemental favorable advice” from the local ethical committee, but that his team did not report this in its papers. The only country for which his team did not have ethical approval was Niger, he adds, which did not have an ethical approval process until 2016. He says he and his colleagues have submitted a reply to Frank’s paper, and they have asked Springer Nature— the journal’s publisher—to retract it. A Springer Nature spokesperson said, “We are aware of concerns with this paper and are investigating the matter carefully in line with our established processes.”

The fact that so many studies involved vulnerable populations, such as those living in homeless shelters, was “outrageous,” Bik says. Vulnerable people may feel they have no choice in whether to participate in a research study, says Lisa Rasmussen, a research ethicist at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. “They are not in a position to give authentic consent.”

IN RESPONSE TO MEDIA ATTENTION—but more than 18 months after Bik first raised questions about ethical approvals and study methods on her blog—French authorities began inspections at the IHU. In October 2021, ANSM said it had found breaches of the law and had referred the matter to the public prosecutor, and that it was still investigating. The French government also asked two auditing bodies, the General Inspectorate of Social Affairs and General Inspectorate of Education, Sport and Research, to investigate.

Raoult says these inspections arose out of a “small conspiracy to make it appear that we were carrying out an illegal trial of treatment for tuberculosis.” (According to one media report, IHU patients with tuberculosis had been given unproven treatments.) Raoult says the agencies found no such illegal trial and only three minor problems with other research projects. However, both ANSM’s report, released in April 2022, and the auditing agencies’ report, published 5 months later, noted that IHU patients had received unapproved tuberculosis treatment, with some suffering severe adverse effects. This might constitute a criminal offense, according to the auditing agencies.

Illustrated portrait of Lonni Besançon.


Lonni Besançon, a computer scientist at Linköping University, grew curious about Raoult’s work after noticing a paper published in a journal where an author also served as editor-in-chief. He has co-authored several papers about ethical lapses and methodological problems in IHU research, and agitated for journals to investigate and retract problematic work. N. BURGESS/SCIENCE

But the reports also went much further, describing ethical concerns similar to those raised by Frank, Garcia, and others. The government auditing bodies noted that the IHU relied heavily on its internal ethics committee, “whose composition does not sufficiently guarantee its independence and whose working methods do not allow for an informed decision.” And ANSM described research projects launched without or before ethical approval, missing consent forms, and researchers who did not understand ethics regulations. They found evidence of a falsified signature on an ethical approval document for a study that asked students to provide samples—including vaginal and rectal swabs—before and after travel, to see whether they brought antibiotic resistant bacterial strains back with them.

The government inspectors also reported “widespread deviant medical and scientific practices within the IHU,” including ones that blurred the line between patient care and research. For example, clinicians gathered a range of samples from each patient that would then be archived, possibly to be used in future research. When treating COVID-19 patients, clinicians conducted a range of tests, including daily PCR and other tests that “are a matter of research and not of care,” the investigators reported. The institute rushed research in a “race to publish,” the report says, racking up hundreds of publications each year—with more papers in lower tier journals than other similar institutions— and drawing in substantial funding designed to encourage high publication rates.

The inspectors reported that INSERM, which had helped found and run the IHU, withdrew from the institute in 2018. An INSERM spokesperson says it had found that several research projects did not meet its scientific standards. CNRS withdrew in 2016 and has had “no connection” with the IHU since 2019, according to a spokesperson. The reports did not specifically blame Raoult for these failings. But they said he tightly held the reins of power in the institute, with testimonies from employees reporting that Raoult was “omnipresent” and the “final decision-maker,” and that other managers were “in total conformity” with Raoult’s views.

ANSM placed the IHU under its supervision to ensure that all future research projects were carried out with proper approval. And both the government agencies and ANSM again referred their findings to the public prosecutor. The status of that investigation is unclear, and the prosecutor, Nicolas Bessone, did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Raoult says he is “hopeful” that the cases currently under investigation will be closed soon. Cases are sometimes referred to other jurisdictions in France when there may be local conflicts of interest, says University of Bordeaux pharmacologist Mathieu Molimard, who has been criticizing the IHU’s statements and research since early 2020: “We would prefer this to be seen in Paris.”

DESPITE THE NOW INTENSE scrutiny of their work, in April 2023 Raoult and his colleagues published a draft paper that sent new shock waves through social media. “I fell from my chair,” Molimard says. “It’s the largest unethical study performed for years—in France, maybe in the world. … It’s incredible.” More than a dozen scientific bodies would later agree with his assessment.

Raoult and his colleagues had analyzed data from 30,202 COVID-19 patients treated at the IHU between March 2020 and December 2021—including 23,172 who had received a combination of HCQ and azithromycin. Yet France had withdrawn the temporary permission to treat COVID-19 inpatients with HCQ in May 2020, after a paper in The Lancet reported that HCQ was not an effective COVID-19 treatment. (This paper was subsequently retracted after the data were questioned, but a later randomized, controlled trial published by the mass RECOVERY collaboration also found no effect.)

The preprint showed the IHU had continued to prescribe the drug on a grand scale long after this, Molimard says.

Illustrated portrait of Mathieu Molimard.


Mathieu Molimard, a pharmacologist at the University of Bordeaux, began to counter the IHU’s claims about HCQ in April 2020. Outraged when French authorities didn’t respond to the IHU’s publication of a seemingly unauthorized HCQ trial, Molimard rallied representatives of 14 French scientific societies to sign an open letter in Le Monde. N. BURGESS/SCIENCE

Raoult says he and his colleagues decided in April 2020 to treat COVID-19 patients with HCQ “off label,” after their initial study convinced them of the drug’s efficacy. In France, as in many other countries, drugs can be prescribed for reasons outside of their normal authorization, but this off-label prescription must have medical and scientific justification, Amiel says—and “in this case, strong medical and scientific evidence have established that the prescription of HCQ to treat COVID is unjustifiable.”

The study also reported no approval from a CPP; the ethics section lists only an IHU ethics committee reference number. As they had in earlier papers, the researchers said the study was retrospective, analyzing patient data from the hospital’s information system. But Amiel says the IHU team was “highly committed to proving the efficacy of its treatment,” pointing to evidence— revealed by the government inspection—that it performed daily PCR tests to check viral levels, for instance. “It is perfectly clear that the study is based on data collected in a mixed care and research context.”

Molimard thought ANSM and the Ministry for Solidarity and Health should have reacted immediately to the publication. Aghast at their silence, he contacted a range of French societies, urging them to sign an op-ed in major French newspaper Le Monde calling the study “the largest ‘wild’ therapeutic trial known to date.” Fourteen scientific bodies, including the national coalition of ethics committees and the French Society of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, signed the letter, and in June 2023, ANSM announced it had once again referred the matter to the prosecutor. On 30 October, the paper was nonetheless published in the Elsevier-owned journal New Microbes and New Infections.

The scale of the trial is like nothing seen before, Molimard says. He points to the recent case of Jean-Bernard Fourtillan, a researcher who tested melatonin patches on Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s patients without ethical approval. His study, Molimard says, involved approximately 300 patients: “And he went to jail.”

IN RECENT MONTHS, more blows have fallen on the IHU, beginning with the retraction of two Scientific Reports papers in October 2023 for a lack of evidence of ethical oversight in Niger and Senegal, where the studies were conducted. Raoult says the team did get ethical approval from an institutional review board in Senegal; because Niger had no ethical approval processes when the study was conducted, local collaborators confirmed the research complied with local laws, he says. A spokesperson for Springer Nature, which publishes Scientific Reports, says that in such cases researchers must still get ethical approval from another source, such as a university. The two studies are “part of a wider investigation concerning potential ethical issues in a number of papers,” according to the spokesperson.

Headshot of Didier Raoult.


Didier Raoult OLIVIER MONGE/MYOP/REDUX

PLOS journals have flagged nearly 50 further IHU papers with expressions of concern as part of an ongoing investigation, which Retraction Watch reported in December 2022. (At the time the studies were submitted, PLOS editors did not routinely ask for evidence of ethical approval, according to David Knutson, head of communications at PLOS.) In November 2023, the Marseille hospital board told the AFP news agency it “strongly condemned” the mass HCQ study; the IHU said it “shared” the hospital board’s reaction. And Elsevier announced that New Microbes and New Infections had opened an investigation into ethical concerns about IHU papers published in the journal. An Elsevier spokesperson did not confirm whether the “wild clinical trial” was one of the papers under investigation.

In December, the French ministers of health and research asked a disciplinary body that oversees university hospitals to launch proceedings against Raoult’s three IHU coauthors on the mass COVID-19 study—but not against Raoult, who retired in the summer of 2021.

The fight has taken its toll on the critics. They have faced not just abuse from his supporters on social media and complaints to their employers, but also the threat of legal action from Raoult, who has had multiple legal complaints bankrolled by the IHU. Raoult’s lawyer said Raoult had filed charges against Bik in April 2021 for harassment and blackmail. He has also filed legal complaints against other critics, including Lacombe; Raoult lost his case against her in November 2022. In science, Molimard says, “we are used to debate, to argument … but we are not used to that!”

Despite the harassment, Besançon says he is undaunted and intends to continue to criticize Raoult’s work. “I was raised in a really bad neighborhood,” he says. “You know when you see cars burning in France? That’s where I was … I had to stand up for myself, to learn not to be afraid of potential bullies.” Bik, too, has no plans to stop: “I don’t really have a career he can ruin,” she says. “I’m not going to let him silence me.”

Besançon and others say France’s institutional response has been unacceptably weak. There has been “failure at every level,” Garcia says: at the health ministry; in the justice system; within the university and regional hospital board, which had oversight of the IHU; and at ANSM, which only conducted a full inspection after media investigations brought the problems to light. Journal editors have also been too slow to react, Besançon says. “More often than not, it seems that they don’t give a damn about integrity.”

The IHU, the regional hospital board, and ANSM did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The ministry of health said in a statement to Science that “several actions have been taken by the public authorities in response to the shortcomings observed at the IHU.”

Part of the failure lies with France’s law on research ethics, Amiel says, which is out of step with international standards. “It’s provincial,” he says. “And it’s really a problem.” Because the law allows some human studies to proceed without ethical approval, Amiel says, similar violations are ongoing elsewhere in France, though not at the scale of the IHU’s. The best solution would be to overhaul the law, he says—but “I don’t think it’s a priority for the government at the moment.”

The close relationship between political powers and scientific institutions in France is also to blame for the foot-dragging institutional response, Lacombe says. Without external voices—like Bik, Frank, Besançon, Molimard, and Garcia—“I’m not sure that things would have moved,” she says.

Frank worries the lackluster response sends a message that there are no consequences for violations like these. “Maybe tomorrow—I hope not—we’ll have SARS-3 … and the message sent will be, ‘Don’t worry about public health. Just show your face, say anything you want, and you will sell books, be famous, and get a lot of fans.’ It’s insane.”
 
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It's literally listed in the bill what contributes to social transitioning... And it doesn't include pronouns.
It literally does list pronouns as contributing to social transitioning. In the first section. That's visible even in the thumbnail.
 

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I have no idea what's going on anti-woke world, but the hyper fixation on Sugar Baby Inc and making games woke is getting increasingly psychotic. I've been seeing rabid commenters on almost every gaming news video I watch.

I'm genuinely curious about what conspiracy theory they've cooked up about it, but I'm terrified what trying to look into it will do to my cookies.
It's the whiff of "evidence" that vidicates and encourages their hatred toward women and minorities. Sorta like when the Depp v. Heard defamation trail was going, or better yet Gamergate.
 
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10% or more is hardly a small amount.
That's money that could be put towards a longer polishing period.
I'm not even going to address most of the utter drivel you've added, I'm just going to address this as representative of the wider problem.

10%? Where does that figure come from? What gaming company spent 10% of their development budget on "woke" script consultants?

You haven't changed, you still just fart a load of vacuous nonsense, rumour and make-believe into the void. So, I guess, I'm out, because I actually want to talk about reality.
 

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So according to this Asmongold guy, Sweet Baby Inc is terrifying CEOs with "five tweets that go viral and then nobody actually cares afterwards". He even sites examples that disprove his argument: Final Fantasy XVI was criticized for a lack of diversity for a hot minute and then no one cared. Hogwarts Legacy introduced the Harry Potter franchise's first trans character and was massively successful. And Sweet Baby Inc wasn't involved in either of those games or the discourse surrounding them, so what is it is about this company that you guys are afraid of.
No that's the reality of what will happen not what's used to get executives on board.

Harry Potter was wildly successful in spite of the woke boycott. Important context there really lol


Cicada 5's own source said:
Many women went to war only once or twice in their lives. Others were married and accompanied their husbands on war or raiding parties, especially while the couple was still young and childless. Some women served as sentries and messengers; others fought in battle alongside the men, counted coup, and took scalps. Eventually, they quit warring and raiding, raised children, and did their share of work within the gendered division of labor.
Which is what she did. Did you watch the movie at all? She uses the environment, the Predator's own weapons and her small size to win. It's not like she suplexed it into the Earth's core.

Ah yes the1 trap, the good fortune of her dog and mostly just beating on the thing


Modern guns that were frequently shown to be useless against the Predator.
Not entirely ineffective


The people mad about the change from the comics are the ones who are fans of hers. I'm talking about the right wing grifters that have had their knives out for this character for the crime of being a Muslim character who isn't a suicide bombing villain who wants to destroy America.
Come on you can do better than that, you got to throw in something about the previous Ms Marvel too really go for the full on "The League of Evil hates her because she's not a sexy arian like the last Ms Marvel"




Kingpin being soft with people he personally cares about is not new. It's been done in the comics numerous times.
True, just not normally those who have also tried to kill him.


You're also ignoring that Jane using the hammer was killing her and that was part of a long arc which involved Thor regaining his confidence and getting the hammer back.
Yeh, when she proved unpopular.

Still doesn't explain the extra powers she gained either


You'd be saying this exact same thing about Joxer if Xena came out today. You guys whine about men being made to look stupid and weak as if male characters being comic relief is some new idea. I guess it wasn't a problem when these men were being used to make other men look tough but now that a small number of movies and shows are putting women in this role, it's an issue.
No because again, double billed with Hercules and also

We see the potential for Joxer to be a hero in season 2 episode 16 where a spell is put on him such that when he hears a bell his true heroic potential in revealed, until he hears a bell again and reverts.

You really scraped the bottom of the barrel for these, didn't you?
Not really, I linked pretty high profile websites showing how some of your examples didn't ring true. Because if they did whey did that success you claimed they had show?

Resident Evil live-action adaptations aren't known for their quality (though I should point out that the Anderson films were box office successes despite starring a "Mary Sue" female character that game fans hated).
And because they weren't actually that high budgeted plus fans of the game hated the concept of the character as such because of the whole T-Virus super powers angle to it really.


Rise of Skywalker (which was clearly re-written to pander to the Rey hating/Kylo Ren loving crowd) still made a billion. In fact, the only Disney Star Wars film to actually fail at the box office was Solo, which starred a white man.
And had massive re-shoots, re-writes and came after that trilogy which had soured most people on Star Wars to start with.

As for The Marvels, yeah it failed. For a bunch of reasons that had nothing to do with wokeness. Tell me, how successful are the Daily Mail's movies again?
Well either an infinite failure or infinite success depending on how you look at it, as the Daily Mail has never made one


Were you perhaps thinking of some other outlet?
 

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But at the final analysis, the anti-woke lot are really just slaves who are abusing the other slaves and pretending it's fighting for freedom.
All the more ironic in that these self described rebels tend to politically support the parties trying to keep ''the little guy'' down. Most anti woke grifters are firmly on board with schemes from the upper class such as Brexit or Republican policies in general.
 
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